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aWaris saarqivo sammarTvelo wlebia, im SenobaSia ganTavsebuli, romelsac dRes veRarc icnobT. igi marmariloTia mopirkeTebuli, xolo oTxive sarTuli – Tanamedrove standartebiT garemontebuli. konkretulad ra gakeTda arqivSi, amaze saubrobs sammarTvelos xelmZRvaneli maka ivaniSvili.
– ukve 5 weliwadze metia, rac saerTo saarqivo sammarTvelos vxelmZRvanelob. mTavrobam dagvimtkica saremonto xarjebi da 4-wliani programuli biujetis Sedegad, SevZeliT saremonto samuSaoebis warmoeba. minda giTxraT, rom sakmaod sapasuxismgeblo viTareba Seiqmna, radgan gaaremonto arqivi Tavisi sacavebiT, dokumentaciiT gadavsebuli TaroebiT ise, rom araTu saqaRalde, faratina furcelic ar daikargos, marTlac urTulesi saqmea, rac movaxerxeT kolosaluri ZalisxmeviT. 4-5-6 sarTulebis sacavebs Cautarda remonti. TiToeuli maTgani 300 kvadratze met farTobs moicavs. iqauroba jer gamoTavisuflda, gasufTavda, SeiReba. davamontaJeT axali Taobis ganaTeba, saxanZro usafrTxoebis sistema, klimat-kontroli. TiTo wels TiTo sacavs varemontebdiT. yvela maTgani mopirkeTda, SevitaneT axali stelaJebi da aveji. ase rom, kardinalurad, Tavidan bolomde gamoicvala sacavebis iersaxe, SigTavsi. mogexsenebaT, am tipis farTs Tavisi saerTaSoriso standartebi gaaCnia da swored amis mixedviT gakeTda yvelaferi. rogorc cnobilia, uZvelesi qaRaldi inaxavs Wuprebs, mavneblebs da a.S. radgan maSin ar iyo misi qimiuri xsnarebiT damuSavebis teqnologia.
– amJamad arqivSi dasaqmebulebs aRar emuqrebaT daavadebis saSiSroeba?
– yvela TanamSromels kargi samuSao pirobebi SevuqmeniT. am uwyebaSi es aucilebelia, radgan qaRaldis mavneblebis gasanadgureblad dokumentacia iwamleba specialuri xsnarebiT, anu xdeba maTi deratizacia. 1972 wlis Semdeg es Senoba ar garemontebula da warmoidgineT, aq ra xdeboda. mTeli dokumentacia gaiwminda, gasufTavda, garemontebul sacavebSi ganTavsda. TanamSromlebs aqvT siTbo zamTarSi da sigrile – sicxeebis dros. ukve aris ganiavebis saSualeba. isini wlebis ganmavlobaSi moklebuli iyvnen elementarul pirobebs. TanamSromlebs urigdebaT pirbadeebi da spectansacmeli. aqve minda aRvniSno, rom mowesrigebulia sveli wertilebic. ra Tqma unda, yvelafers bolomde ver aRmofxvri, radgan saubaria uzarmazari raodenobis sabuTze, romlebic saukuneebis ganmavlobaSi iyrida Tavs erT Caketil sivrceSi. Cven SevZeliT, maqsimalurad mogvewesrigebina samuSao garemo da TanamSromlebis komfortuli muSaobisTvis yvelaferi gagvekeTebina, magram yvela samsaxurs gaaCnia Tavisebureba, arqivi ki niSnavs uZveles qaRaldebs, rac uaRresad ZviradRirebulia ara mxolod Cveni regionisa da qveynisaTvis, aramed mTeli msofliosaTvis, radgan yvela calkeuli istoria sabolood kacobriobis istoriad yalibdeba.
– riT iyo gamorCeuli 2019 weli sammarTvelosTvis?
– SarSan oTxwliani programuli biujetis mixedviT davamTavreT me-4 sacavis da saaqto darbazis keTilmowyoba, romelic movapirkeTeT da axali iataki davageT, ase rom, generaluri remonti gamogvivida. aq rom movedi, erTi kondencioneric ar iyo, axla ki mTeli arqivi aRWurvilia kondicirebis sistemiT. rac Seexeba gaTbobas, rTulad Tbeba es uzarmazari, Zveli, komunistebis dros agebuli Senoba, magram vcdilobT maqsimalurad davaaxlooT Cveni samuSao pirobebi Tanamedrove standartebs, rogorc garemos SeqmniT, ise dokumentaciis Senaxva-konservaciiTa da movlis kuTxiT.
– maxsovs, saubari iyo laboratoriis ganaxlebazec?
– diax, laboratoria gvaqvs, Tumca es CemTvis yvelaze mtkivneuli Temaa, radgan jerjerobiT laboratoriisTvis ver gamovnaxeT saTanado farTi, arsebulSi ki veRar veteviT. iq aucilebelia saSrobi karadebis, girliotinis (furclis saWreli) ganTavseba da a.S. aseve minda gavafarTooT da aRvWurvoT kancelaria, sadac dokumentebis miReba-gadmoqaCva xdeba rogorc moqalaqeebidan, ise sxvadasxva qveynidan. unda aRvniSno, rom Cvens laboratoriaSi Zalian gamocdili profesionalebi muSaoben. mogexsenebaT, qaRald-fuZian dokuments jer vSliT, vrecxavT, xolo deratizaciis Semdeg xdeba aRdgena-reabilitacia da konservacia. bevri dokumenti amotexilia, qaRaldi ifSvneba droTa ganmavlobaSi. vcdilobT, qrobadi teqstebi rogorme gadavarCinoT, gavcifroT da Tanamedrove teqnologiebis daxmarebiT SevinarCunoT. swored amas akeTeben Cvens laboratoriaSi. sxvaTa Soris, komunistebis dros sakmaod gulgrilad eqceodnen am dokumentacias. SeeZloT akinZvisas SuaSic ki gaetarebinaT nemsi, rac afuWebda teqsts. axla cdiloben aseTi lafsusebi gamoasworon. mini-qarxnis konveieriviT awyobilad muSaoben gogonebi – keraven, ydaSi svamen da a.S.
– ukve gadaxvediT cifrul teqnologiebze?
– ki, didi xania. Cveni samuSao qselur principzea agebuli, romelic funqcionirebs internetis da cifruli teqnikis saSualebiT. sul sam qsels vemsaxurebiT: vmuSaobT rogorc sammarTvelos, ise saxelmwifo servisebis programebSi, Tan pirovnulad vRebulobT an vawvdiT sabuTebs dainteresebul moqalaqeebs.
– sagamofeno darbazis gaxsnas apirebdiT. . .
– jerjerobiT – mxolod ideis doneze, radgan saxsrebi aucilebel samuSaoebze mivmarTeT. mTavari isaa, rom es idea aitaca mTavrobis Tavmjdomaremac da ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis ministrmac – mogexsenebaT, Cven ukve am saministros daqvemdebarebaSi gadavediT da sakmaod didi SeRavaTebiT vsargeblobT. saministroSi kargad ician, ras niSnavs arqivi Cveni da qveynis istoriisaTvis. iciT, rom arqivi daxuruli reJimis Senobaa, aq yvelas ver SemovuSvebT, amitom gvinda darbazi, sadac movawyobT saintereso dokumentaciis prezentacias da gamofenas. igi iqneba ara mxolod Cveni Tanaqalaqelebis megzuri sakuTari regionis istoriaSi, aramed moizidavs turistebsac. aqedan gasulma ucxoelebma unda naxon, ras da rogor vinaxavT, rac xazs gausvams qveynis kulturas, warmoaCens aWaras istoriisa da ganaTlebis seriozul WrilSi. aseve Cafiqrebuli maqvs, samomavlod SevimuSaoT turistuli jgufebisaTvis specialuri marSruti arqivSi. yvela sacavSi maT daxvdebaT sacavis mcveli, xolo eqskursias uxelmZRvanelebs gidi. is moatarebs 10-15-kacian jgufebs Cvens sacavebs, warudgens maT aq Senaxuli sabuTebis mokle daxasiaTebas.
– riT unda daainteresoT, magaliTad, aq Semosuli turisti?
– CvenTan bevri ram aris saintereso. gvaqvs uZvelesi karabadinebi, saeklesio wignebi, istoriuli fotoebi da a.S. aseve gvaqvs mexuTe saukunis osmalur enaze dawerili Zegli, Tumca, samwuxarod, ver SevZeliT misi Targmna, radgan ver vnaxeT am enis mcodne specialisti. es dokumenti arqivis samecniero ganyofilebis ufrosma, istorikos-eTnografma Tamaz futkaraZem Camoitana TurqeTidan. imedia, male SevZlebT teqstis gaSifrvas. aseve bevri dokumentia inglisur enaze, sadac damoukidebeli saqarTvelos istoriaa aRnusxuli. mokled, uamravi saintereso dokumenti gvaqvs da imedia, kidev ufro meti gveqneba, radgan maqsimalurad vcdilobT, movipovoT sxva qveynebis arqivebSi gabneuli Cveni istoriis amsaxveli dokumentacia.
– rogor mimdinareobs dokumentaciis gacifrvis procesi, rogorc vici, esec sakmao xarjebTan da did ZalisxmevasTanaa dakavSirebuli?
– ukve meeqvse welia, rac vacifrulebT, Tumca am kuTxiT 2013 wels daiwyo sapilote-sacdeli programa, romelic 2014 wels srulyofilad amoqmedda. aq rom movedi, 675 aTasi faili (faili erTi gverdia) iyo gacifruli. ukve 2015 wels davamate TanamSromlebi da TavisTavad gaizarda muSaobis tempic. amJamad weliwadSi or milionamde fails vacifrulebT. Zalian pasuxismgebliani TanamSromlebi gvyavs. dagegmilze 300-400 aTasi failiT mets akeTeben anazRaurebis gareSe. gacifrva mudmiv reJimSi mimdinareobs. am process ver amowurav, radgan sxvadasxva dawesebulebidan da struqturidan Semodis sabuTebi, dgeba miReba-Cabarebis aqtebi da dokumentebi inaxeba saTanado reJimis mixedviT. aseve, Cven gvaqvs cnobili adamianebis piradi koleqciebi. sxvaTa Soris, zurab xabaZis piradi koleqcia gadmogveca axla. Zalian miyvarda es udidesi mxatvari da uZlieresi pirovneba.
– Tqveni sammarTvelos sxvadasxva momsaxureba moqalaqeebisTvis garkveul xarjebTanaa dakavSirebuli?
– diax, Cven varT Semosavliani, momgebiani organizacia. aq mosuli moqalaqe, Tu ar aqvs raime socialuri SeRavaTi, ixdis garkveul sazRaurs. Cven ki, rogorc saxelmwifo organizacia, biujetSi vricxavT Tanxebs, rac weliwadSi daaxloebiT 300 000-mde aRwevs SezRudul formatSi.
– Tqveni sammarTvelo ramden arqivs iTavsebs?
– baTumis garda, CvenTan Semodis xuTive municipalitetis arqivi, sadac ZiriTadad inaxeba sakomlo wignebi da sxva tipis dokumentacia. axla qobuleTsa da xelvaCaurSi mimdinareobs gacifrulebis programa. samomavlod minda, rom programaSi xulo, qeda da Suaxevic CavrToT. am procesSi Cveni TanamSromlebi askanereben dokumentebs, SeaqvT kompiuterSi, aniWeben saTanado monacemebs. Semdeg Cvengan midis redaqtori, akeTebs redaqtirebas (aRricxva, gasworeba-Casworeba). Cven aseve vemsaxurebiT miwis gaformebas. sammarTvelo am saxelmwifo programis erT-erTi Semadgeneli nawilia.
– ra gegmebi gaqvT uaxloes momavalSi?
– minda, maisisTvis studentebisTvis movawyo turi da TvalnaTliv vaCveno, ras moicavs Cveni arqivi, rogor da ra pirobebSi inaxeba aq dokumentacia, rogor xdeba misi movla-konservacia, restavracia, daskanereba, gacifruleba, eqspertiza da a.S. aseve, gaisad gamovcemT `saarqivo gzamkvlevs~, sadac nebismieri fondis nomeri, dasaxeleba, anaweri Seva, gaswordeba. nebismiers SeeZleba, gafurclos, saniSniT Camoayolos da naxos, rac sWirdeba, gaarkvios ra inaxeba an ar inaxeba, dakargulia Tu arsebobs da a.S. es iqneba ilustrirebuli, Tanamedrove doneze gakeTebuli gzamkvlevi. ra Tqma unda, dokumentebis Semodineba ar Sewydeba, sanam dedamiwa trialebs, magram yvela monacemi, sanamdec SevZlebT, unda CavatioT am gzamkvlevSi.
– samecniero darbazSi ra xdeba?
– am darbazs bevri mecnieri stumrobs. aq ecnobian saintereso dokumentaciebs, muSaoben maTze da Semdeg naSromebs, wignebs gamoscemen. meamayeba kidev erTi faqtori – vurTierTobdiT cnobil mecnierTan, moskovis mixeil lomonosovis saxelobis saxelmwifo universitetis profesorTan feride acambasTan. am qalbatonma mTeli sicocxle miuZRvna qarTul-afxazuri kulturis, mecnierebis ganviTarebas, mSvidobiani TanacxovrebisaTvis, ndobis aRdgenisa da SerigebisaTvis brZolas. es programa erovnul arqivTan erTad SevimuSaveT. moviZieT afxazi muhajirebis, maTi ojaxebis fotomasala, istoriuli Canawerebi. amisTvis vxdebodiT aqaur afxaz mosaxleobas. davaskanereT da SevinaxeT mTeli es dokumentacia afxazTa fondSi. aqve getyviT, rom nebismier dros, nebismier afxazs SeuZlia movides, moiTxovos, gadaaTvalieros da miiRos misTvis saWiro sabuTi Tu fotomasala. ai, aseT fondebs vqmniT dRes, raTa Cveni istoria SemovunaxoT STamomavlobas.
