მერაბ ბლადაძე: აუცილებლად დავრჩები პოლიტიკაში
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merab bladaZe, aWaris umaRlesi sabWos damoukidebeli deputati, romelic sakanonmdeblo organoSi `patriotTa aliansis~ siiT moxvda, sakmao aqtiurobiT gamoirCeva regionis politikur cxovrebaSi. rogorc man `aWarasTan~ saubrisas aRniSna, Tuki finansebs moipovebs, apirebs damoukidebel kandidatad iyaros kenWi 2020 wlis arCevnebSi.
Tu ratom daSorda erT dros axlobel politikosebs da ras fiqrobs qveyanaSi arsebul situaciaze, romelic kidev ufro daiZaba saarCevno wlis dadgomasTan erTad, rogor afasebs sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis `aWaris tele-viziis~ irgvliv ganviTarebul movlenebs da ra miaCnia qveynis ekonomikis gadamrCen faqtorad, amaze da sxva sakiTxebze deputatma CvenTan interviuSi isaubra.
– adre `patriotTa aliansis~ wevri iyaviT da migaCndaT, rom es partia miiyvanda qveyanas taZramde, ra Seicvala, ratom CamoscildiT am adamianebs?
– daviwyoT iqidan, rom arc erTi partiis wevri arasodes vyofilvar.
– maSin ratom saubrobdiT am partiis saxeliT?
– ubralod, irma inaSvilsa da daviT Tarxan-mouravTan urTierToba Camomiyalibda jer kidev belgiidan, sadac vmuSaobdi damoukidebeli mediakavSir `obieqtivis~ warmomadgenlad evropaSi. aseve, viyavi politikurad devnilTa ombudsmeni `winaaRmdegobis aliansidan~. maSin ase ewodeboda `patriotTa alianss~. swored im droidan vmegobrobT. Semdeg, aq Camosuli vagrZelebdi uflebadamcvelobiT saqmianobas da kenWi viyare `patriotTa aliansidan~ aWaris umaRles sabWoSi. pirvel etapze ver movxvdi, xma ar meyo, Tumca rodesac sabWos erTi deputati – zaza oquaSvili gamoaklda, avtomaturad Cavanacvle me, rogorc siaSi Semdgomma nomerma `patriotTa aliansis~ kvotiT.
– sakmaod bevri ram gakavSirebdaT am partiasTan da ratom gamoeTiSeT, politikuri Tvalsazrisi SeicvaleT da sxva poziciaze gadaxvediT?
– ara, araferi Semicvlia, maT Soris, arc politikuri xedva… ar minda Cemi wasvla (Tumca arc vyofilvar am partiis wevri) politikur poziciebs daukavSiroT. ubralod, mewyina raRac Tarxan-mouravisgan. . .
– ubralo wyenis gamo ar datovebdiT partias, romelTan erTadac modiT umaRles sabWoSi.
– modiT, ase vTqvaT, rom mewyina da wamovedi, Tan isic minda giTxraT, rom es farulad ar gamikeTebia, mas amis Sesaxeb masmediis saSualebebiT ar gaugia, sityviT gamovedi politsabWos sxdomaze da Riad ganvacxade, rac mqonda Cafiqrebuli. maSin movawyve prezentacia, Tu ris gakeTebas vapirebdi aWaraSi, ra poziciebis dafiqsirebas, rogori sqemiT marTvas, anu rogor vxedavdi aWaraSi `patriotTa aliansis~ ganviTarebas. iq zedmeti sityvebi da replikebi gaisma, romelic Zalian mewyina da ganvacxade: gemSvidobebiT, kargad brZandebodeT, davrCeT megobrebad, magram politikis gareSe. . .
– Tqveni naambobidan gamodis, rom `patriotTa aliansis~ romeliRac pozicias ar eTanxmebiT?
– ar veTanxmebi mxolod aWarasTan mimarTebaSi, sxva mxriv viziareb maT platformas, radgan yvelaferi es xom erTad SevimuSaveT, Tumca aris punqtebi, rac miuRebelia.
– mainc raSi eTanxmebiT da raSi – ara?
– asi punqtia, romeli erTi CamogiTvaloT. . . modiT, maSin ZiriTads CamovTvli, raSic veTanxmebi. kerZod, ruseTTan dialogi aris saWiro. aseve, natos Sesaxebac marTali arian. sxvaTa Soris, `patriotTa aliansis~ winaaRmdeg arasworad agorda bulingi am sakiTxze. kerZod, natos winaaRmdegi aravinaa, ubralod, ar gvRebuloben da Tu ar undaT Cveni wevroba, SeveSvaT da alternatiul gzebze vifiqroT, ukeTesi da ufro Sedegiani ar iqneba? teritoriebis dabruneba mxolod da mxolod ruseTTan dialogis gziTaa SesaZlebeli. rac Seexeba natos, xarji gvaqvs bevri. iciT Tu ara, rom TavdacvisTvis gamoyofili 1 miliardidan 600 milioni xmardeba jars, xolo danarCeni 400 milioniT finansdeba natos RonisZiebebSi monawileobisTvis aucilebeli mowyobiloba, iaraRi, formebi da a.S. Tu mainc ar gvRebulobs, is fuli aqeT gamoviyenoT, ukeTesi cxovreba SeviqmnaT, elementarulad, sajaro skolebSi moswavleebs kveba davufinansoT, amaze kargi ra iqneba. . .
– fiqrobT Tu ara politikaSi darCenas?
– aucileblad davrCebi politikaSi, radgan saqarTvelosTvis am rTul periodSi ganze gadgoma ar aris gamosavali. Tanac sakmaod axalgazrda var, miuxedavad imisa, rom ukve 55 wlis gaxlavarT. janmrTelobasac ar vuCivi da mimaCnia, rom asakSi mamakaci aRwevs sakuTari pirovnebis realizaciisaTvis saukeTeso etaps, miT umetes, rodesac saqme exeba politikas, sadac gamocdili, mcodne da gasuli wlebis gaanalizebis unaris mqone adamianebi unda liderobdnen. politikoss unda gaaCndes uzarmazari gamocdileba, unda erkveodes sxvadasxva profesiaSi da mudmivad imaRlebdes codnis dones. Tuki erT adgilze darCebi, veRar ganviTardebi verc Sen da verc is xalxi, romelic sakuTar mimdevrebad migaCnia.
– amjerad romeli partiidan apirebT kenWisyras, ukve moaxlovda arCevnebi. . .
– simarTle giTxraT, jer ar gadamiwyvetia, ar vici. dRes arCevnebi pirdapir kavSirSia TanxebTan. Tu SevZeli sakuTari saarCevno kampaniis dasafinanseblad saWiro Tanxis mogroveba, damoukideblad viyri kenWs, Tu arada, SesaZloa, romelime politikuri Zala avirCio.
– mainc romlisken ixreba Tqveni simpaTiebi?
– simarTle giTxraT, amJamad iseTi dabneulobaa politikur velze, rom Tavadac ver vxvdebi, romels ukavia swori pozicia. erT mxaresaa `qarTuli ocneba~, xolo mas upirispirdeba gaerTianebuli opozicia, romelsac saTaveSi `nacionaluri moZraoba~ udgas. am ukanasknelis mimarT ki namdvilad ar Semicvlia pozicia da aranairad ar mimaCnia marTebulad maTTan misvla.
– gamoCnda `lelo~, am politikur gaerTianebaze ras ityviT?
– isic absoluturad miuRebelia CemTvis. aq is adamianebi arian Tavmoyrilni, romlebic wlebis ganmavlobaSi atyavebdnen Cvens moqalaqeebs. me didi xania ipoTekiT dazaralebulTa problemebs vswavlob da mikvirs `lelos~ warmomadgenlebis. isini xom ojaxebs sakuTari binebidan yridnen, uzarmazari procentebis gadauxdelobis gamo saxlebs da miwebs arTmevdnen. axla ki igive xalxs urcxvad sTxoven, xma mogveciT, xelisuflebaSi mogviSviro. CemTvis, piradad, msgavsi ram warmoudgenelia, magram arseboben aseTi adamianebic. . .
– gamodis, arc erTi politikuri Zalis mimarT ar gagaCniaT simpaTia. arc – `qarTuli ocnebis~?
– ara, arc erTis mimarT. rac Seexeba `qarTul ocnebas~, wlebia, vakritikeb da mimaCnia, rom Zalian bevr rames ar akeTebs sworad. magaliTad, soflis meurneobaSi.
– Tqven, rogorc ekonomisti, ras fiqrobT, ra gadaarCens saqarTvelos ekonomikas?
– ekonomikis holandiuri modeli. unda ganviTardes sasaTbure meurneobebi. belgiasa da holandiaSi agronomTa klubebi funqcionirebs, sadac mecnierul doneze muSaoben am mimarTulebebiT. investorebis mowveva ki ar aris mTavari, aramed specialistebis Camoyvana, romlebic praqtikulad imuSaveben da dagvexmarebian soflis meurneobis am dargis normalurad ganviTarebaSi. 7 weli evropaSi vcxovrobdi da vuyurebdi, rogor SeiZleba adamianis cxovreba gaaumjobeso.
– gageziarebinaT sakuTari mosazrebebi umaRles sabWoSi kolegebisTvis, iqneb gaiTvaliswinon. . .
– CvenTan daxuruli wre Seiqmna, romlis garRveva ar SeiZleba.
– tite aroSiZes, rogorc soflis meurneobis ministrs, sakmaod kargi miRwevebi aqvs am kuTxiT. . .
– tite aroSiZe Zalian Wkviani pirovnebaa da Zalian miyvars. mxolod masze rom iyos damokidebuli soflis meurneoba, darwmunebuli var, marTlac aayvavebda qveyanas Tu ara, Cvens regions mainc.
– rogorc Cvens gazeTSi vwerT, bevri ram keTdeba. . .
– ra keTdeba, sad keTdeba. . . damanaxeT da miTxariT, saqmis kursSi CamayeneT. Tu ekonomikaSi garRvevebi ara aqvT, ratom ar amateben xelfasebs da pensiebs?
– xom moumates 20 lari?
– 20 lari?! magari Tanxaa. gadavxedoT fasebs – xorci 20 lari Rirs, yveli – 13. evropas rom edrebian da fasebs amateben, iqaur xelfasebsac daakvirdnen. magaliTad, belgiaSi xorci Rirs 5 evro, xolo yvelaze dabali xelfasia – 1200 evro. meti ra giTxraT, ra Sedareba moviyvano? iciT, ratomaa ase Zviri xorceuli? imitom, rom qveynidan cocxali saqonlis eqsporti mimdinareobs. unda Sewyvito es procesi. gaixseneT medikamentebis fasebi. riT ver gaiafda es wamlebi. ratom ver SeimuSaves saTanado berketi? TurqeTidan gadmoaqvT wamlebi iafad, Tavi davaneboT imas, rom CvenTan Zviria, uxarisxos, falsificirebuls ise Tamamad mogyidian, gamomJRavnebis SiSi ar gaaCniaT. Tu aravin mfarvelobs, ratom ar eSiniaT? rogor SeiZleba pensioners sesxi misce 36%-Si?
– rogorc evropaSi momuSave Jurnalists, ra azri CamogiyalibdaT aWaris sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis irgvliv Seqmnil areulobasa da mmarTveli gundis mimarT wayenebul braldebebze, marTla emuqreba Jurnalistebis Tavisuflebas safrTxe?
– rac aWaris televiziaSi xdeba, es aris marazmi. aseTi ureitingo televizia sxva ar arsebobs saqarTveloSi, cxadia Tu gaviTvaliswinebT im Tanxebs, rac masze ixarjeba biujetidan. damijereT, xalxo, me, araprofesionals, romelsac `obieqtivi~ mimyavda da socialur Temebs vaSuqebdi, meti naxva mqonda, vidre aqvs 9 Tu 12 milioniT dafinansebul sazogadoebriv arxs. es sircxvi-lia! aWaris televiziis okupacia moaxdina arasamTavrobo organizaciam, eka gigauris – `saerTaSoriso gamWvirvaloba – saqarTvelom~. aqedan iyvnen naTia zoiZe, zviad qoriZe da sxvebi… yvela `nacionaluri moZraobis~ lobisti iyo da maTgan modioda absoluturi negativi. gadaxedeT gadacemebs. dagvsvamdnen Ria eTerSi, Cven mogvcemdnen sam wuTs, mogvayridnen 10 SekiTxvas am droSi, samagierod gamohyavdaT `nacionaluri moZraobis~ xalxi da alaparakebdnen 10 wuTs gauTaveblad, Tan ise, rom erT kiTxvasac ar dausvamdnen. mokled, araprofesionalizmis zeimi hqondaT. gaficvebi rom moawyves sainformacio gamoSvebebis gamo – rasac aprotestebdnen, yvelaferi farsi iyo. movida axali direqtori da maSinve dauwyes kacs bulingi. mas piradad ar vicnob, rom ifiqron, TiTqos amitom vicav, ubralod, mimaCnia, rom unda acalo xelmZRvanels saqmis gakeTeba da mere akritiko.
– televiziis TanamSromlebic xom mxars uWerdnen am aqciebs?
– iciT ra, me bevrma momwera piradSi, yoCaR, merab, marTali xar, ase rom akritikeb amaTo. minda Tqveni gazeTiT mivmarTo am xalxs _ rasac fiqroben xmamaRla Tqvan, nu SeeSindebaT, rom `Tavisufali sityvis~ winaaRmdeg gamosvlad CamoarTmeven naTqvams. yvelam kargad viciT, rac xdeba da rac xdeboda Cvens televiziaSi da nuravis Seayrian TvalSi nacars. gamodian sityviT es `Tavisufali sityvis~ dedoflebi. . profesionalebic ar arian, ra gaugiaT, ra ician JurnalistikaSi? Jurnalistebi arian specifikuri ganaTlebis adamianebi. amaT gramatikac ar ician, sxvas Tavi daanebe. Tavisufalma mediam unda daabalansos kritika, romelime mxares yofna ar niSnavs profesionalizms.
– rogor afasebT gaerTianebuli opoziciis pozicias?
– vTvli, rom saakaSvilma bevri gaakeTa qveynisTvis Tavis droze, magram wavida misi dro, iseve, rogorc aslan abaSiZis… Tu ganmeorda miSas gaprezidenteba, miviRebT axal putins, rac ar unda dauSvaT.