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misi naxatebi realursa da irealurs Soris zRvarze siaruls hgavs, TiToeuli Strixi imdenad bunebrivia, imdenad axlo da, amavdroulad, Soreuli, emociebis labirinTebSi ikargebi da saucxoo SegrZnebebiT savses, didxans ar ginda dasruldes tkbobis wuTebi. gazeT `aWaris~ mkiTxvels mxatvar-arqiteqtors, 24 wlis naTia TedoraZes gavacnobT, romlis Semoqmedeba individualuri, amavdroulad, siRrmiseuli, metyveli da sainteresoa.
– rodis daiwyeT xatva da Tu gaxsovT, ra iyo pirveli naxatis Tema?
– skolaSi ar davdiodi, xatva rom daviwye. sasiamovnod maxsendeba, rogor vuziarebdi TiToeul emocias sufTa furcels. Zalian miyvarda saxlis sibrtyobrivad xatva, aseve, ojaxis TiToeuli wevris mxiaruli saxeebiT asaxva. Cems namuSevarSi yovelTvis iyo mze, magram masTan erTad, sasiamovnod vaTavsebdi Rrublebs. miyvarda, roca qalbatonebs sifrifana kabebSi, mamakacebs ki, rogorc diplomatiur personaJebs, ise vxatavdi. SeiZleba iTqvas, rom es saocrad kargi, bavSvuri etapi iyo. maxsovs, pirveli naxati, romelic seriozulad aRviqvi, xelsaxocze datanili iaponeli qalis figura iyo maraoTi xelSi. masTan, ratomRac, dedaCemi asocirdeboda da albaT, amitomac miyvarda gansakuTrebiT. Cemi da xatavda am qalis portrets. roca daiwyebda xatvas, mis zurgs ukan vdgebodi da TiToeul detals vakvirdebodi. skolaSi rom wavidoda, Cumad viRebdi saxatav wignaks da zustad ise vxatavdi, rogorc Cems das hqonda Sesrulebuli. swored maSin mivxvdi, rom SemeZlo damexata is, rasac movisurvebdi. es cxovrebis is etapebia, roca sakuTar Tavs vpoulobdi, bavSvurad, magram Zalian sasiamovno SegrZnebiT.
– rodis mixvdiT, rom mxatvroba Tqveni cxovrebis mTavari saqmianoba gaxdeboda?
– skolis periodSi, radgan Cemi xelmZRvaneli gamudmebiT aRniSnavda, rom gansakuTrebulad SemeZlo xatva. erT-erTi pedagogi ki Tavisi wignis ilustraciebs maxatinebda. maSin verc ki warmovidgendi, rom wignSi daibeWdeboda Cemi namuSevari. es Zalian didi stimuli iyo. vicodi, rom Cemi profesia aucileblad xelovnebasTan iqneboda kavSirSi, sxva mimarTulebaze arc mifiqria.
– ZiriTadad, ra mimarTuleba gaqvT arCeuli mxatvrobaSi da ram ganapiroba es arCevani?
– daufiqreblad SemiZlia gagceT pasuxi _ `siurrealizmi~. es is mimarTulebaa, sadac konkretulobas da realur samyaros gavurbivar da vcdilob, aracnobier samyarosTan dakavSirebas, maTavisuflebs mTeli arsebiT da sworad gadmovcem Cems Sinagan emocias. am mimarTulebaSi vpoulob Tavs da yovelgvari realizmidan vinacvleb sxva samyaroSi, iq, sadac sxeulis, haeris, sunTqvis, sizmris da a.S. sxvanairad aRqma SemiZlia. es imdenad sainteresod da haerovnad xdeba, albaT, ufro rom CavuRrmavde, SeiZleba daufiqreblad gadaveSva im samyaroSi, saidanac gamosvlas arasdros movindomebdi. is samyaro sul feradi iqneboda, da Tu odnav mainc iCenda simuqe Tavs, sxvadasxva ferebSi gavazavebdi. samyaro, romelzec xSirad vfiqrob, sxeulis JrJolas hgavs, SegrZnebas, romelic araerTferovani emociebiT gavsebs.
– ras grZnobT muSaobisas, gansakuTrebuli emociebi gWirdebaT Tu xatvisas ikveTeba mTavari Strixebi?
– ZiriTadad maSin miyvars xatva, roca Tavs Cemad ar vgrZnob, TiTqos raRac maklia, Cemeuli saxis danaxvas vcdilob. es Cems TiToeul namuSevarSi igrZnoba. xatvis procesi Sors wasvlis uflebas maZlevs, raRac sizmriseulia, es unda igrZno, Seexo, mere ki tilos zedapirze moculobaSi ise asaxo, rogorc igrZeni, aRiqvi yoveli kuTxiT, xasiaTiT. . .
– STagonebis wyaro. . .
– musika da kiTxva _ swored es ori ram aris inspiraciis yvelaze mniSvnelovani wyaro. zogisTvis umniSvnelo musikis wamierma JReradobam SeiZleba Cems gonebSi Zalian bevri saintereso ram amoativtivos, iseve, rogorc wignis erTma abzacma, wertilma da mravalwertilma. rac Seexeba namuSevars, Cemi yoveli wina, Semdegi namuSevris inspiraciaa. TiToeulis Seqmnis Semdeg, Tavidan, raRac axlis dawyebis survili miCndeba. STagonebis wyarod SeiZleba iqces, magaliTad, dila, mze, wvima. . . es ucnauri procesia, romelic mTeli arsebiT unda SeigrZno.
– Tqveni SemoqmedebiT risi Tqma gsurT adamianebisTvis, samyarosTvis. . . .
– Cems saTqmels sruli Tavisuflebisken mimarTuli Cemi naxatebi amboben. bednierebaa, roca funjis plastikuri, horizontaluri Tu vertikaluri mosmiT,Sens emocias uziareb sazogadoebas, iclebi bolomde da amavdroulad siamovnebiT ivsebi, iseve, rogorc kvadratSi myofi, sibneleSi Carguli haeri, romelic yovel kuTxe-kunWulSi eZebs sivrces gamosaRwevad. warmoidgineT es yovelive. . . swored es aris realoba, roca sworad avsaxav Cems meore mes. es maniWebs gancdas, rom gavaRwie, vipove frTebis gasaSlelad ca. erTi SexedviT, yvela Cemi naxatis personaJi mowyenili da daTrgunulia TiTqos, magram sworad Tu CauRrmavdebiT, naxavT, rom am mowyenilobaSic ki aris Tavisebureba da es yvelaferi SemTxveviT ar iqmneba.
– ferebiT TamaSi erTgvari ankesia mxatvrisTvis, romliTac SeuZlia naxatebs miajaWvos mnaxveli. romelia Tqveni Semoqmedebis ori mTavari feri. . . .
– miWirs am kiTxvaze pasuxis gacema, iseve rogorc kiTxvaze, romelia Cemi sayvareli mxatvari. yvela mxatvari CemTvis gansakuTrebulia, SemiZlia individualurad davaxasiaTo da aRvwero isini. TiToeuli mxatvris namuSevridan Taviseburi gancda, stili da emocia modis. yovel maTganSi vxedav gansakuTrebul wvrilmans, iseve, rogorc TiToeul ferSi. yovelTvis vcdilob, bevri feri faqizad SevuTavso erTmaneTs, Tumca aucileblad Tu unda davasaxelo Cemi Semoqmedebis ori mTavari feri, es Savi da yviTelia.
– Cvens mkiTxvels gaacaniT TviTizolaciaSi Seqmnili erTi naxati da misi istoria. . . .
– namuSevari Seqmnilia Sav-TeTri wertilebiT, romelsac puantilizmi hqvia, is iluzias moicavs. iseTi siamovnebiT vxatavdi, gadmocemac miWirs. TiTqos am namuSevarSi sazogadoebas gavurbivar, vuziareb, magram Tavs varideb, saxes vimalav, vcdilob, sazogadoebis gamometyveleba da emocia ar davimaxsovro. TiToeuli dasmuli wertili da dayovnebis momenti mafiqrebs namuSevris arsze. es raRac araamqveyniuri SegrZnebaa.
– siyvaruls rom feri hqondes, rogori iqneboda is?
– TeTri. . . es feri Cemeulia. roca tilos zedapirs vakvirdebiT, warmovidgenT kompozicias, gadagvaqvs tiloze, ramdenime dRis, saaTis Semdeg ucqer da mere Tavdajerebulad dgam nabijs. sxvadasxva xasxasa feriT zedapirs TiTqos malav, magram TeTri mainc rCeba. TeTrs, iseve rogorc Rrubels, vakvirdebiT da Crdilebis ganlagebiT masSi vikargebiT. swored aseTia CemTvis siyvarulis feri.
– rogor aRiqvamT qalaqs, sadac cxovrobT?
– baTumi wvimaSic, TovlSic, mzeSic saocaria, weliwadis oTxive dros _ Taviseburad gansakuTrebuli. uaryofiTs verafers vityvi, ubralod, bednieri var, rom vcxovrob baTumSi. iciT rasTan asocirdeba CemTvis baTumi? notebTan, sasiamovnod rom Cagesmis, rogorc yoveli talRis fexis gulze moxeTqeba da elodebi Semdegi talRis moaxloebas igive SegrZnebis wamieri gancdisTvis, ai, aseTia baTumi.
– xatvis garda, ra aris is sayvareli saqmianoba, romelsac did dros uTmobT?
– fotografia, wera, kerva, aTasi wvrilmani, ubralod, yvelafriT SemiZlia davkavde, risi survilic da interesic gamaCnia. bolo periods Tu gadavavlebT Tvals, fotografiiT var dakavebuli, miyvars. roca miReben, aRniSnaven, rom individualuri var. aseve, mec miyvars wvrilmanebis dasuraTeba ubraloebis didi azrobrivi datvirTviT.
– emocia. . .
– Cemi erT-erTi saukeTeso megobari gamaxsenda, romelic gacnobis dRidan aRniSnavs: `Sengan viswavle siTbo, Sengan viswavle emocia da Caxuteba~, es imdenad sasiamovnod JRers, ar vici, rogor aRgiweroT. aucileblad bevri Rimili da pozitiuri ganwyoba unda vaCuqoT irgvliv myofebs. maSinac ki, roca Sinaganad raRac mawuxebs, ar gamovxatav, albaT, imitom, rom vufrTxildebi CemTvis gansakuTrebuli adamianebis ganwyobas. Rimili da pozitivi _ es is emociebia, romelic ufro lamazs da sainteresos xdis Cvens yoveldRiurobas.
– msoflio mxatvrebis Sedevrebidan, romel tiloSi icxovrebdiT ramdenime dRiT?
– salvador dalis TiToeul tiloSi, gancdebSi vimogzaurebdi. saocrad sainteresoa misi TiToeuli namuSevris Tematika _ didi laqebi da sizmriseuli mistikuri, warmoudgeneli figurebi. . . magram mis erT-erT tilos davasaxeleb, romelic ucnauri SegrZnebiT mavsebs, `rbili saaTebi~ (`mexsierebis mdgradoba~). iciT, rogori SegrZneba meufleba? TiTqos saaTebTan Sexebis momentSi xelebSi wveTebis saxiT gadmoiRvreba rbili da welvadi patar-patara masebis erToblioba, ferebis ulamazesi SerwymiT. ramdenime dRiT Tu sakmarisia ucnaur garemoSi cxovreba, ar vici, magram Sansi rom momeces, arc ki davfiqrdebodi am SegrZnebis gancdisTvis.
– rogoria Tqveni gegmebi?
_ Zalian cota xnis win gamovZveri `kvadratidan~, aqamde vimalebodi da vakritikebdi Cems namuSevrebs. TiTqmis aravin icoda, rom xelovnebiT viyavi dakavebuli. cotaTi vnanob im Caketilobas, romelic cxovrebis sul sxva etapi iyo. `kvadratidan~ gamosvlis Semdeg sainteresod ganviTarda yvelaferi. . . Zalian didi gegmebi maqvs, profesiuli ganviTarebisTvis imaze meti unda gavakeTo, vidre mimaCnia, rom SemiZlia. iseTi profesia maqvs, vfiqrob, didi roli makisria, rom sazogadobas sulieri Tavisufleba mivaniWo da es stimuls mmatebs, aseve pasuxismgeblobas, sworad gaviTaviso TiToeuli nabiji. pirvel rigSi, magistraturisken miviswrafi. Aaseve, mogzaurobaa Cems uaxloes gegmebSi. gamofenas rac Seexeba, cota maSinebs sazogadoebis kritika, Tumca, amavdroulad, vTvli, rom kritika ufro metad ganviTarebis Zalas momcems. gpirdebiT, Zalian male da pirveli Tqven iqnebiT, vinc gamofenis Sesaxeb gaigebs.
