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ia kargareTeli axalgazrda mweralia, romelmac mkiTxvels wigni `sxva udabnos saidumlo~ SesTavaza da Seayvara kidec. nawarmoebi siyvarulis Zalaze, maradiulobasa da usasrulobazea, mkiTxvels win bevri Tavgadasavali da emocia elodeba. ia kargareTeli dRes Cveni gazeTis stumaria igi gviyveba wignis Sesaxeb da ara marto. . .
– saubari bolodroindeli periodiT daviwyoT: pandemiis dros ra aRmoaCineT sakuTar TavSi an raSi darwmundiT?
– albaT, yvela adamianisTvis rTuli da ucnauri periodi iyo, sakmaod stresulic. am dReebma kidev ufro kargad damanaxa, raoden Zvirfasia TiToeuli adamianis sicocxle da rogor gvWirdeba erTmaneTis Tanadgoma. ufro kargad gavacnobiere, ra xanmokle da wamieria adamianis cxovreba, ramxela mniSvneloba aqvs, rogor vatarebT yovel wuTs, dRes, kviras. . . rom giTxraT, rame axali aRmovaCine sakuTar TavSi, sicrue iqneba, ubralod, mivxvdi, rom yoveli dRe Cvens cxovrebaSi calke istoriaa da sulac ar aris aucilebeli dRevandeli dRe guSindels hgavdes. Aamitom axla vcdilob ise gavataro Cemi yoveli saaTi da dRe, TiTqos es axali Tavgadasavalia (da asec aris). met dros vuTmob sayvarel xalxs, Cems ZaRlTan TamaSs, kidev erTxel davrwmundi, rom isini yvelaze Zvirfasi saCuqaria, rac cxovrebam miboZa.
– amboben, msoflio aRar iqneba iseTi, koronavirusamde rom iyoo. Tqven rogor fiqrobT?
– nawilobriv veTanxmebi am mosazrebas, radgan momxdarma SeuZlebelia erTxel mainc ar daafiqros adamiani sicocxlis raobaze da Tavis qmedebebze. albaT, bevri adamianisTvis gaixsneba cxovrebis axali kari, zogic wertils dausvams imas, razec adre ar hyofnida gabeduleba. didi imedi maqvs, es yvelaferi rom Caivlis, yvelani cotaTi ukeTesebi viqnebiT, ufro meti siTbo da siyvaruli gveqneba gulSi erTmaneTisadmi, viswavliT erTmaneTis daxmarebas, Tanadgomas. davafasebT adamianis sicocxles da vecdebiT, ukeTesi gavxadoT msoflio. yvelafers xom adamianebi vcvliT, mTavaria, survili gvqondes da SeuZlebeli araferia.
– `sxva udabnos saidumlo~ – wigni romelic bestseleri gaxda. rogor gaCnda misi Seqmnis idea da ratom es saTauri?
– pirvel rigSi, aRvniSnav, rom `sxva udabnos saidumlo~ saTavgadasavlo-sasiyvarulo Janris romania, ori uZvelesi kulturis gadakveTaze mogviTxrobs da gvacnobs erT-erTi beduinuri tomis `abu uzras~ tradicias, romelic mas memkvidreobiT gadaeca. romanis daweris survili maSin gamiCnda, rodesac `uzriuli Razalis~ teqstebs gavecani. Cemi da aRmosavleTmcodnea, is erTi wliT iyo kidec aRmosavleTis erT-erT qveyanaSi saswavleblad wasuli. swored man momitana darejan gardavaZis mier naTargmni masala, romelic beduinebis erT Zalian ucnaur memkvidreobas exeboda. arsebobda erTi patara beduinuri tomi, romlis mamakacebsac mTeli sicocxle mxolod erTi qali uyvardaT. es jer kidev islamamdel periodSi xdeboda. am tomis beduinebi arc gulSi da arc realur cxovrebaSi im qalis garda sxvas arasodes iyvarebdnen, sicocxlis bolomde misi erTgulni rCebodnen. amis gamo, xSirad maT fanatikosebs eZaxdnen. `uzriuli Razali~ gvacnobs Zalian bevr lamaz sasiyvarulo beduinur leqssa da simReras. iyvnen uzrieli poetebic, romelTa naSromebic dRemdea SemorCenili, garkveuli drois Semdeg ki sufizmSic SeaRwia am romantikulma da daxvewilma poeziam, mijnurobam, siwmindem, Tumca gardaiqmna adamianis Semoqmedisadmi erTgulebad da miZRvnad. albaT yvelas wagikiTxavT rumis poezia. . . rodesac vkiTxulobdi am dokumentur cnobebs, uzrieli poetebis leqsebs da frazebs, Zalian didi survili gamiCnda, wigni damewera aseT beduinze da qarTvel qalze. mogexsenebaT, qarTveli qali odiTganve did interess iwvevda aRmosavleTSi ara mxolod Tavisi silamaziT, aramed gonierebiTa da sibrZniTac. saTauric `sxva udabnos saidumloSi~ swored am memkvidreobas moiazrebs rogorc dafarul ganZs, romelsac mkiTxveli nawarmoebis kiTxvisas miagnebs.
– risi Tqma gindodaT am wigniT da ramdenad miitaneT saTqmeli mkiTxvelamde?
– nawarmoebSi yvelaferi simboluria, personaJebis saxelebic ki, Sesabamisad, maT Tavisi ganmarteba aqvT. Zalian msurda Cemi romanis meSveobiT xalxisTvis meTqva, rom yovel dRes SeuZlia moitanos raRac axali, risTvisac Rirs sicocxle; rom winaaRmdegobebi cxovrebaSi es safexurebia, romlebic sulierad gazrdasa da gaZlierebaSi gvexmareba; rom adamianebi uniRbod ufro lamazebi da kargebi Canan, radgan ase ufro namdvilebi arian. aseve msurda, Cemi wigni yofiliyo is nawarmoebi, romlis wakiTxvisas adamiani daisvenebda, SvebiT amoisunTqavda, gaicinebda da itirebda personaJebTan erTad, droebiT, sul ramdenime saaTiT mainc daiviwyebda Tavis problemebs da ubralod, sxva samyaroSi imogzaurebda. mindoda, imedi da siTbo meCuqebina yvelasTvis, vinc wigns waikiTxavda. uzomod bednieri var, rodesac mkiTxvelebi madlierebiT da siyvaruliT savse werilebs mweren.
– rogoria kargi mwerali da kargi mkiTxveli, riT gamoarCevT maT?
– kargi mwerali albaT, is aris, visac adamianis gulSi SeRweva exerxeba Tavisi naweriT. aseTi mwerali bevria msoflio literaturaSi. Tumca, SeiZleba sxva adamiani sul sxva kriteriumiT afasebdes `karg mwerals~ da es savsebiT normaluria, Cven xom yvelas gansxvavebuli xedva gvaqvs. karg mkiTxvels vuwodeb mas, visac wakiTxulis gaazreba SeuZlia, aseve xedavs imas, rac mwerals azradac ar mosvlia, rom egulisxma. vfiqrob, mxolod wignis wakiTxva ar aqcevs adamians mkiTxvelad, wignebs bevri kiTxulobs, magram gaazrebiT Zalian cota Tu iazrebs wakiTxuls. albaT, amiT gamoirCeva kargi mkiTxveli maTgan, vinc mxolod `modis~ gamo kiTxulobs. dRes modaSi Semovida wignebisTvis lamazi suraTebis gadaReba, nawarmoebis wakiTxva mxolod imis gamo, rom `raRac xom unda mqondes wakiTxuli~, erTi kviris Semdeg zogs aRarc axsovs Sinaarsi. es samwuxaro realobaa. albaT, adrec ase iyo.
– rogor fiqrobT, ra aris Tqveni romanis popularobis mizezi?
– ukve mesame welia, `sxva udabnos saidumlos~ mkiTxvelTa raodenoba dRiTi dRe izrdeba da es Zalian mixaria. albaT, moswonT is faqti, rom romani adamianis sulier Rirebulebebs gvaxsenebs, cxovrebas sul sxvanairad gvanaxebs da gvexmareba, adamianebSi kargi veZeboT.
– fiqrobdiT, rom Tqveni wigni bestseleri gaxdeboda?
– yvela mwerlis survilia, misi wigni rac SeiZleba metma adamianma waikiTxos, metma gaiziaros misi sulieri samyaros is nawili, romelic nawarmoebSi aRwera. ra Tqma unda, am mxriv gamonaklisi arc me vyofilvar, rodesac `sxva udabnos saidumlos~ vwerdi, Zalian mindoda qarTvel mkiTxvels Seeyvarebina Cemi personaJebi da maTi ucnauri Tavgadasavali. Zalian bednieri var, rom am patara qveyanaSi aTasobiT adamians uyvars Cemi romani, mweren uamrav Tbil werilebs da zogjer maTi wakiTxvisas, sixarulisgan vtiri.
– riT unda iyos gamorCeuli Cvens saukuneSi dawerili kargi wigni?
– yvela mkiTxveli subieqturad afasebs nawarmoebs. CemTvis kargi wigni is aris, romelic Cems gulSi aRwevs, mafiqrebs, maswavlis, mesaubreba rogorc kargi megobari da mexmareba, rom Sevicvalo. Tumca, SeiZleba sxva adamianisTvis sul sxvanairia `kargi wigni~.
– wigni, romlis Sinaarsis daviwyebasac isurvebdiT imisTvis, rom Tavidan wagekiTxaT. . .
– Zalian saintereso SekiTxvaa. unda vaRiaro, wignebis ramdenjerme wakiTxva ar mCvevia, mxolod erTia iseTi, romelic SemiZlia yovel jerze axlidan wavikiTxo da ar mombezrdes, esaa jeimz joisis `dublinelebi~, magram siamovnebiT daviviwyebdi tolstois `ana kareninas~, knut hamsunis `misteriebs~, haruki murakamis `kafka plaJze~, goeTes `axalgazrda verteris vnebans~ da xalid hoseinis `aTas moelvare mzes~ imisaTvis, rom xelaxla megrZno am wignebis pirvelad wakiTxvis siamovneba.
– cxovrebis mTavari winadadeba. . .
– bevri fraza maqvs iseTi, romelic cxovrebis saukeTeso megobrad meqca, Tumca erTi gamorCeulad miyvars: `Sen Zlieri xar da yvelafers SeZleb~. es is sityvebia, romelsac yvelaze xSirad vumeoreb Tavs, is frazaa, romelic maxsenebs, ramdeni sirTule maqvs gadalaxuli da ar unda davnebde.
– muSaobT Tu ara axal wignze da rogoria Tqveni gegmebi?
– or nawarmoebze vmuSaob, erTia `sxva udabnos saidumlos~ meore nawili, romelsac vici, rom Zalian bevri adamiani elodeba, meore – `aTasi cremliT meti~. am romans CemTvis gansakuTrebuli mniSvneloba aqvs, radgan nawilobriv avtobiografiuli iqneba da Tanac eZRvneba CemTvis erT-erT yvelaze Zvirfas adamians, romelic, samwuxarod, ramdenime kviris win daiRupa. imedi maqvs, mkiTxvelic Seiyvarebs `aTasi cremliT mets~. gegmebs rac Seexeba, gadavwyvite, qvelmoqmedebaSi CaverTo da davexmaro adamianebs, minda ramdenimes mainc movgvaro bednierebis gancda.
