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vin aris politpatimari saqarTveloSi?
ramdenime dRea e.w. kanonieri qurdis mindia goraZis, igive mindia lavasoRlis ojaxis wevrebi da axloblebi saprotesto aqciebs marTaven. saqarTvelos moqalaqe ori welia TurqeTSia dakavebuli. iusticiis saxlTan moSimSile ocamde adamianidan, eqvss piri aqvs amokerili. lavasoRlis axloblebis erTaderTi moTxovna patimris saqarTveloSi estradirebaa. mindia goraZes qarTulma marTlmsajulebam 12 wliT Tavisuflebis aRkveTa miusaja. e.w. kanonieri qurdi 2018 wlis Semodgomaze TurqeTis qalaq trapizonSi daakaves.
mindia goraZis da, patimris advokatTan erTad, 8 ivniss saqarTvelos mTavar prokuror irakli SoTaZes Sexvda. Sexvedridan gamosulebma Tqves, rom qveynis mTavari msjavrmdebeli zogadi gancxadebebiT Semoifargleba da eqstradirebis Taobaze konkretuls arafers ambobs. mindia goraZis axloblebi, rogorc patimris dam ganacxada, aqciebs gaagrZeleben.
e.w. kanonieri qurdis mxardasaWer aqciasTan dakavSirebiT uflebadamcvelma Tamaz bakuriZem `aWarasTan~ isaubra.
– batono Tamaz, ratom CaerTeT saprotesto aqciebSi?
– aqciebis organizatori ar var, damikavSirdnen patimris da da axloblebi, mTxoves, gverdiT davdgomodi. ratomRac rigma adamianebma aqciebze Cemi gamoCena qurduli samyaros mxardaWerad aRiqves. ase namdvilad ar aris. Cemi saqmianoba adamianis uflebebis dacvaa. ver ganvasxvaveb veravis. Tu CemTan modis adamiani daxmarebis TxovniT, ar aqvs mniSvneloba sasjels an statuss. es aris Cveni sazogadoebis nawilis arasaTanado midgoma. vinc mommarTa, yvelas gverdiT var.
– albaT, procesSi CarTvamde icodiT, ras iTxovdnen mindia goraZis axloblebi.
– diax – mis eqstradirebas saqarTveloSi. ise, mikvirda, ratom ar gadmohyavdaT TurqeTidan. is ucxo qveynis teritoriaze, rogorc interpoliT Zebnili, daakaves. yvelam viciT, rom rodesac interpoliT Zebnils akaveben, damkavebeli qveyana valdebulia, yvela wesis dacviT, gadasces igi im qveyanas, sadac eZeben. TurqeTSi mas danaSauli ar aqvs Cadenili da mezobel qveyanaSi sasjels ver moixdis. ori weli ratom dasWirda eqstradirebas, swored es aCens kiTxvis niSnebs. qarTulma marTlmsajulebam mas 12 weli miusaja da sasjeli saqarTveloSi unda moixados – ar aqvs mniSvneloba, is qurdia, yaCaRia, eqimia Tu Jurnalisti. saprotesto aqciebamde, mTeli ori wlis ganmavlobaSi, araerTxel mimarTes ojaxma da patimris advokatebma generalur prokuraturas, iusticiis saministros. dRes ambobs prokuratura, rom mimdinareobs eqstradiciis procesi, Tumca es axali ar aris. amas eubnebian ojaxs ori welia. mas Semdeg, rac patimarma saubari daiwyo Seviwroebaze, araadamianur mopyrobaze, ojaxma gadawyvita xmis amoReba, mividnen TurqeTis sakonsulosTan, baTumSi.
– TurqeTis sakonsulo eqstradirebis procesSi ver Caereva da verc raime gadawyvetilebas miiRebs.
– vinaidan mindia goraZe TurqeTSia dakavebuli, ojaxma gadawyvita, sakonsulosgan mieRo pasuxi, Tu ratom ar gadmoscemen qarTul mxares patimars. sakonsulos warmomadgeneli Sexvda patimris ojaxs da uTxra, rom maTi informaciiT, qarTul da Turqul mxareebs Soris mimdinareobs molaparakeba, magram rodis da ra SedegiT dasruldeba, ar viciTo. amiT patimris ojaxis wevrebs mianiSnes, rom TurqeTis mxare mzadaa gadmosces patimari, magram qarTul mxares amis survili ar aqvs. meore dRes ki is, rac Sexvedraze gaJRerda sakonsulos mxridan, uaryves.
– aqciis monawileebma saqarTvelos iusticiis ministrsac mimarTes mindia goraZis estradirebis Taobaze. Tea wulukianis pasuxi yvelam viciT – man advokatebis arakompetenturobaze gaakeTa aqcenti da Tqva, rom prokuratura iusticiis ministrs ar eqvemdebareba.
– diax, gamovida iusticiis ministri da Tqva, rom patimars arakompetenturi advokatebi hyavs. Cvens qveyanaSi generaluri prokuratura iusticiis saministros daqvemdebarebaSi ar aris, viciT, magram 2020 wlis dasawyisSi Tea wulukianma orjer gaakeTa gancxadeba da Tqva, rom qarTuli mxaris moTxovniT daakaves mindia goraZe. aseTi pasuxi maSin ministrma opozicias gasca, roca politikuri elferi misces lavasoRlis saqmes. ojaxs ar surs politikuri sarCuli daedos mis eqstradirebas.
– Tumca, mainc saubroben, rom xelisuflebas winasaarCevno periodSi xels aZlevs mindia goraZis saqarTveloSi Camoyvana da es aqciebi mxolod kargad SefuTuli Temaa.
– ver getyviT, ramdenad Seesabameba msgavsi xmebi simarTles. kidev erTxel gavimeoreb, mindia goraZis axloblebma mas Semdeg gadawyvites quCaSi gamosvla, rac sabolood darwmundnen, rom xelisufleba ityueboda. manamde ojaxs xelisuflebasTan hqonda molaparakebebi, patimris mxare gzebs yovelTvis eZebs da roca darwmundnen, resursi amoewuraT, gadawyvites quCaSi gamosvla. ar vici, aZlevs Tu ara xels xelisuflebas lavasoRlis arCevnebis dros Camoyvana da arc mainteresebs. sakiTxavi isaa, ratom ar sruldeba saqarTvelos kanonmdeblobiT da konstituciiT gaTvaliswinebuli moTxovnebi. xelisufleba valdebulia, daicvas nebismieri moqalaqis ufleba.
– ra molodini gaqvT?
– Tu xelisufleba sakiTxiT ar dainteresdeba, albaT, procesi gaWianurdeba. aSkaraa, TurqeTi mzadaa eqstradirebisTvis, magram saqarTvelos xelisufleba mxolod zogadi gancxadebebiT Semoifargleba. eqstradiciasac Tavisi vada aqvs, mere TurqeTi iZulebuli iqneba, gaaTavisuflos patimari. erTxel asec moxda, magram 15 wuTSi mindia goraZe isev cixeSi daabrunes – ojaxisTvis dRemde gaurkveveli mizeziT. lavasoRlis saqme burusiT moculia, vidre misi eqstradireba ar moxdeba, sazogadoebaSi sxvadasxva versia iarsebebs, magram faqtia, xalxis didi raodenoba gamodis da iTxovs kanonis aRsrulebas.
– ojaxs Tu aqvs kontaqti patimarTan, ras amboben?
– mindia goraZes advokatebi iqac hyavs da Sedian patimris sanaxavad cixeSi. is, aseve, telefoniT ekontaqteba ojaxs saqarTveloSi.
– batono Tamaz, saubris Temas cotaTi Sevcvli. TqvenTan saubrisas politpatimrebis Temas gverds ver avuvli.
– miuxedavad imisa, rom Tavis droze eka beselias, romelic politpatimrebis process marTavda, mivmarTe, me politpatimris statusi ar momaniWes. `qarTuli ocneba~ xelisuflebaSi rom movida, im periodSi vinc iyo cixeSi, mxolod maT mianiWes politpatimris statusi. danarCenebis saqme ar ganixiles, rac didi Secdoma iyo, radgan isini movidnen dapirebiT, rom samarTlianoba aRdgeboda.
– gigi ugulava da irakli oqruaSvili politpatimrebi iyvnen?
– gigi ugulava iyo qurdi, romelsac 50 milioni aqvs moparuli, Cveni – xalxis fuli da rogor SeiZleba aseTi adamiani politpatimrad aRiaro, igive irakli oqruaSvili, pirdapiri mniSvnelobiT, kriminali, kaci, romelic Zaladobda xelisuflebaSi yofnis dros, Zalian dabali rangis politikosad mimaCnia. `nacionaluri moZraoba~ xelisuflebaSi yofnis dros qarTveli xalxis fuliT afinansebda msoflio masStabiT gavlenian lobistebs, romlebic dResac lobireben maT. amasTan, piaric kargad ician, ucxoeTs umtkiceben, rom maTi Tanagundelebi politpatimrebi arian. ucxoeTSi, samwuxarod, detalebs aravin swavlobs, zedapirulad ijereben yvelafers. sircxvilia giorgi ruruazec laparaki. ise, visac danaSauli aqvs Cadenili, rogorc ki safrTxes igrZnoben, rom SesaZloa maTi pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi dadges dRis wesrigSi, ori kviriT adre politikur mantias moisxamen, iarliys miikraven da. . .
– rac unda vTqvaT, faqtia, rom gigi ugulava da irakli oqruaSvili Sewyalebulebi arian.
– maTze metad politpatimari me viyavi, sanam Cems Sewyalebaze xels moawerda mixeil saakaSvili, mTeli sami Tvis ganmavlobaSi mediaSi mTavari Tema politpatimrebis sakiTxi iyo. sia ganixila saparlamento da arasaparlamento umciresobam, arasamTavrobo seqtorma, Seadgines politpatimarTa 18-kaciani sia, sadac mec viyavi. magram Semiwyala maSindelma prezidentma ara rogorc politpatimari. Cven yvelam vnaxeT, gasuli wlis zafxulSi, pirdapir eTerSi, rogor daarRvies kanoni da rogor cdilobdnen parlamentSi SeWras. dasaWerebi iyvnen maSinve, magram xelisuflebam loialuri, lmobieri damokidebulebiT miiRo is, rac miiRo. `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ ver dabrundeba xelisuflebaSi, Tumca yvelaferze wamsvlelebi arian. giorgi arvelaZe revoluciaze alaparakda. am adamianebs eduard SevardnaZis dro hgoniaT. revolucia aRar moxdeba, `kmara~ da dasavleTidan dafinansebuli organizaciebi aRar gaWris. xelisuflebis cvlilebac iqneba, magram ara revoluciuri gziT, aramed civilurad da demokratiulad – arCevnebis gziT. dRes, roca opozicia saarCevno sistemis cvlilebis mxardaWeris sakiTxze giorgi ruruaTi apelirebs, sircxvilia. Zmebi ruruebi vinc iyvnen, viciT da arc gardacvlilze saubari minda. rogor SeiZleba giorgi rurua politpatimrad aRiaro? xelisuflebis Secdoma da sisuste iyo is, rom roca movidnen xelisuflebaSi, kriminalebs, romlebsac danaSauli hqondaT Cadenili, pasuxi ar agebines. giga bokeria ar daiWires – amerika ras ityviso, levan varSalomiZe – erdoRani ras ityviso. ra gamodis? `koka-kolas~ rom moiparavs arasrulwlovani, is unda daiWiro da daungrio cxovreba? esaa samarTali?!
– batono Tamaz, aqtiuri cxovrebis reJims miCveuli adamiani, sagangebo mdgomareobis dros ras akeTebdiT?
– pirvel rigSi, ar SemiZlia ar vTqva, rom xelisuflebam – Tanmimdevruli nabijebiT, medikosebma – Tavdauzogavi SromiT da sazogadoebam – erTianobiT miviReT is Sedegi, rac gvaqvs. yvelas aq surs Camosvla dasasveneblad Tu biznesis sakeTeblad. miuxedavad imisa, rom mtkivneuli iyo saxlSi Caketva, amiT adamianebis sicocxle SevinarCuneT. marTalia, mosaxleobas, gansakuTrebiT – TviTdasaqmebulebs, gauWirdaT, magram sicocxleze da janmrTelobaze ukeTesi araferia. sagangebo mdgomareobis dros sofelSi viyavi, mosawyenad dro namdvilad ar mqonda, soflis meurneobiT davkavdi. mezoblebisa da megobrebis daxmarebiT, marto ar davrCenilvar. mexmianeboda xalxic da distanciurad vcdilobdiT problemebis mogvarebasac.
