საბა მიქელაძე: ვერასოდეს წარმოვიდგენდი, რომ ,,კარნეგი ჰოლში” დავუკრავდი
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dRes Cveni gazeTi niWier pianists saba miqelaZes warmogidgenT, romelic miuxedavad imisa, rom Zalian axalgazrdaa, araerTi jildos mflobelia
pirveli seriozuli warmateba TurqeTSi, saerTaSoriso konkursze izeima, sadac proeqtiT `harmonia~ imyofeboda da pirveli adgili moipova. `momavlis varskvlavebis~ gamarjvebulicaa _ `oqros noti~ aiRo. amave proeqtiT italiaSic iyo 2017 wels da pirveli adgilze gavida, 2019-Si ki granpris mflobeli gaxda da qalaq kaleSi italielebis winaSe solo koncertiT warsdga. gamorCeulia 2019 wels misi gamosvla amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi, niu-iorkis udides sakoncerto darbazSi _ `karnegi holSi~. iq miRebul jildos aweria `Seni niWisTvis da xelovnebisTvis~ . amJamad saba baTumis zaqaria faliaSvilis samusiko TerTmetwledis damamTavrebel klasSi swavlobs (pedagogi – inga bocvaZe) da baTumis #
26 sajaro skolis meTormeteklaselia.
– saba, ramdeni wlis iyavi musikiTa rom dainteresdi? mSoblebis surviliT moxda Tu?
– 3 wlis viyavi, roca filmebs, gadacemebs vuyurebdi, ufro metad yuradRebas musikas vaqcevdi, vusmendi, saTamaSo maRaziebSic musikaluri instrumentebiT vinteresdebodi, maTTan vCerdebodi. 4 wlis viqnebodi, roca mTeli ojaxi qarTul films uyurebda, mominda, iq gaJRerebuli melodia damekra. dedas patara pianinos – saTamaSo `iamahas~ yidva vTxove. miyides da Zalian pataram filmidan `pirveli mercxali~ smeniT melodia avawyve. deda (Tamar diasamiZe _ m. Z.) mixvda, rom smena mqonda.
– saxlSi vinme ukravda an mReroda?
– albaT, ufro samoyvarulo doneze. oficialuri ganaTleba ara aqvT. Cemi musikasTan damegobreba ki baRidan daiwyo. iqaurma musikis pedagogma rusudan zoiZem, romelic paralelurad samusiko skolaSi aswavlida, SeamCnia, rom sul instrumentTan mindoda yofna. misi rCeviT, dedam 6 wlis asakSi musikalur skolaSi Semiyvana. ase daiwyo Cemi musikaluri kariera. ver warmovidgendi, rom amden konkursSi miviRebdi monawileobas da warmatebebsac mivaRwevdi.
– bavSvisTvis Znelia saaTobiT musikaSi mecadineoba. xSirad bevri arc agrZelebs swavlas. rodis mixvdi, rom es iyo is, risi keTebac gindoda?
– es Tavidanve Sevisisxlxorce, dakvra da mecadineoba CemTvis sirTules sulac ar warmoadgenda, piriqiT, siamovnebiT vijeqi fortepianosTan da vmecadineobdi, vukravdi patara miniaturebs. CemTvis imdenad mSobliuri gaxda fortepiano da musika, rom sxva aRaraferi mainteresebda. dedac gverdiT medga. male mivxvdi, rom es iyo is, rasac cxovrebis bolomde gavyvebodi.
– ama Tu im poetis leqss yvela Taviseburad kiTxulobs, musikaSi rogor xdeba?
– ra Tqma unda, ZiriTadi isaa, rac kompozitorma Seqmna, mas unda mihyve, Tumca, ar momwons, roca ama Tu im nawarmoebs erTferovnad ukraven. ar aris aucilebeli, romelime nawarmoebs eliso virsalaZe rom ukravs, yvelam ise daukras. vfiqrob, TiToeul pianists sakuTari xelwera unda hqondes. ra Tqma unda, ZiriTad notebs, Strixebs mihyvebi, Tumca aris niuansebi, rac Sesrulebis dros ganasxvavebs erT pianists _ meorisgan.
– pirvel koncerts rogor gaixseneb?
– scenaze pirvelad rom gamovedi, 7 wlis viyavi, aviRe mesame adgili. mogvianebiT pedagog inga bocvaZesTan gadavedi.
– Tu musikas ar gayvebodi, maSin ra specialobas airCevdi?
– musika CemTvis yvelaferia da arasodes vinaneb, rom is avirCie cxovrebis megzurad. dabejiTebiT vici, rom siamovnebiT gavatareb Cemi cxovrebis TiToeul wams masTan erTad, miuxedavad imisa, rom klasikuri musika jerjerobiT saTanadod araa dafasebuli, ise SesaZloa, biologi gavmxdariyavi, Zalian miyvars es sfero.
– fortepianos garda, romelime musikalur instrumentze xom ar ukrav?
– ara, magram survili maqvs gitara Seviswavlo samoyvarulo doneze.
– gitaras simRera uxdeba. . .
– vmReri da simRerebsac vwer.
– klasikuris garda, romeli Janri ganiWebs siamovnebas?
– momwons momRerlebi, romlebic sxvadasxva JanrSi warmoaCenen sakuTar Tavs, Tumca roks iSviaTad vusmen, ar miyvars `mZime~ da `daZabuli~ musika, albaT popi ufro momwons. . .
– gamorCeuli pianisti vin aris SenTvis?
– pirveli _ eliso virsalaZe, meore – marta argerixi.
– roca koncertze gamodixar, yvelasTvis ukrav, Tu. . .
– ra Tqma unda, yovelTvis msiamovnebs, roca darbazSi CemTvis sayvareli adamianebi sxedan. koncertis Semdeg rom modian da gulTbilad milocaven, Zalian mixaria. . . namdvilad ar moqmedebs is, Tu ramdeni adamiani zis darbazSi, cotac rom iyos, me mainc bevrs warmovidgen. ra Tqma unda, imaTTvis ufro vukrav, visTanac kargi damokidebuleba maqvs, Tumca. . . yvela miyvars da gamodis, rom yvelasTvis vukrav. . .
– iseTi damsaxurebuli pedagogi rom ara, rogorc inga bocvaZea, saba miqelaZe aseTi warmatebuli ver gaxdeboda?
– ar mgonia, rom rames mivaRwevdi mis gareSe, inga bocvaZesTan rom gadavedi, damxunZla nawarmoebebiT, `momargo~ Janri. . . maqsimalurad cdilobs, rom did asparezze gamomiyvanos, CemTan erTad Zalian bevrs Sromobs. masTan muSaobis pirvelive wels aviRe konkursze pirveli adgili. qalbatoni ingas damsaxurebaa Cemi TiToeuli warmateba, mis gareSe Zalian gamiWirdeboda, am SesaniSnav adamians Zalian didi wvlili miuZRvis Cems warmatebul karieraSi. Zalian momTxovni pedagogia, namdvili profesionali, Secdomaze taqtianad, iumoriT migiTiTebs, nawarmoebs bunebriv movlenebs ise Seadarebs, rom mas ufro sainteresos xdis. roca ukrav, warmoidgen, rom es musika bunebasTan raRac kavSirSia.
– gamorCeuli kompozitorebi Tu gyavs?
– araerTi kompozitori miyvars da momwons, Tumca Zalian msiamovnebs raxmaninovis nawarmoebebis rogorc mosmena, ise Sesruleba. momwons mocarti, Sopeni, baxi. . .
– skolaSi swavlaSi musika xels xom ar giSlis?
– ara, warmatebulad vswavlob. mecxre klasSi kargi swavlisTvis saCuqrad kompiuteri gadmomces. minda skola oqros medalze davamTavro.
– sad isurvebdi swavlis gagrZelebas?
– momaval wels skolas da musikalur TerTmetwleds erTad vamTavreb, albaT, Tbilisis saxelmwifo konservatoriaSi Cavabareb, Semdeg, savaraudod, viswavli ucxoeTSi da es iqneba amerikis SeerTebuli Statebi. . .
– raki amerika vaxseneT, gaixsene Seni gamosvla msoflios erT-erT udides sakoncerto darbazSi – `karnegi holSi~, sadac moxvedraze araerTi musikosi ocnebobs.
– amerikas da `karnegi hols~ nostalgiiT vigoneb. verasodes warmovidgendi, rom am scenaze odesme gamovidodi, an Tundac, am okeanisgaRma qveyanas vnaxavdi. magram es moxda – Cavedi amerikaSi _ SesarCev konkursze, dakvra rom davasrule, ver vazrovnebdi, Tvalebi daxuWuli mqonda da. . . roca Jiuris wevrebma xmamaRla daiZaxes: bravo! maSin gamovfxizldi. Sedegebi meore dRes unda gamxdariyo cnobili. Zalian vnerviulobdi. maxsovs, proeqtis erT-erT damaarsebels nana doRonaZes vTxove, Sedegi ar momweroT, mirCevnia, damirekoT-meTqi. . . damirekes: `gilocavT, Tqven 100-procentiani dafinansebiT gaimarjveT da miemgzavrebiT amerikaSi, `karnegi holis~ scenaze geqnebaT koncerti~. baTumidan sami pianisti wavediT _ Tamaz mJavanaZe, anri kakabaZe da me. niu-iorkma, am saocarma qalaqma uzarmazari SenobebiT, ramac iseTive emociiT damtvirTa, rogorc romSi – kolizeumma.
– saba, uSualod scenaze gasvlis win inerviule?
– zogadad, yovelTvis Zalian vRelav, zedmetadac. `karnegi holSi~ es nerviuloba gamiormagda. gansakuTrebiT is momentia amaRelvebeli, roca kulisebSi xar da ekranidan acxadeben Sens saxelsa da gvars. amis Semdeg kulisebis kars giReben da aRmoCndebi nanatr darbazSi, taSiT gxvdeba msmeneli da Sen unda daumtkico, rom Rirseuli xar, am scenaze gamosvla daimsaxure. scenaze ki me da musika vrCebiT. . .
– rogor Sexvda darbazi Sens gamosvlas?
– SesaniSnavi msmenelia, yvelas gulTbilad xvdeba, aRfrTovanebuli davrCi. momRimarma saxeebma nerviuloba momixsna. yvelaferi rom dasrulda da ovaciebi gaisma, im wuTebSi dedamiwaze yvelaze bednieri adamiani viyavi. darbazs Tavi rom davuxare, kinaRam daveci, imdenad daRlili viyavi.
– visi nawarmoebi Seasrule?
– prokofievis, romelic Zalian rTulia, masze Zalian didxans vmuSaobdi.
– ratom airCie aseTi rTuli nawarmoebi, Tu es moTxovna iyo?
– ara, moTxovna ar iyo. ubralod, amerikaSi sami koncerti mqonda da yvelaze sxvadasxva nawarmoebi davukari. pirvelad gamovedi daviT RvinianiZis kulturis centrSi, Semdeg _ bostonis parlamentis Senobis scenaze da bolos `karnegi holSi~.
– pandemias rom ar SevexoT, ar SeiZleba. ras akeTebdi sagangebo mdgomareobis dros, isev musikiT iyavi dakavebuli?
– rTuli iyo CemTvis `darCi saxlSi~, gamiWirda aseT mdgomareobasTan Segueba. Zalian miyvars saxli, magram ase `dakanonebuli~ jdoma Znelia. marto musikiT veRar vicxovrebdi. davinteresdi filmebiT, ZiriTadad, momRerlebisa da pianistebis monawileobiT, Tumca pandemiam ver SegvaCera _ inga maswavlebelTan erTad muSaoba ar SemiCerebia.
– samomavlo gegmebi albaT SenTanac Seicvala?
– Zalian damTrguna iman, rom gauqmda 30 marts dagegmili solo koncerti orkestrTan erTad mamuka alafiSvilis diriJorobiT. scena momenatra da mTeli guliT vemzadebodi. Tumca, imedia yvelaferi dalagdeba da amitomac axal programaze vmuSaob. albaT, seqtembrisTvis, is dagegmili koncerti orkestrTan erTad mainc gaimarTeba. vfiqrob, solo koncertze, radgan baTumSi ar gamimarTavs. amerikaSic igegmeboda koncerti, mqonda SemoTavazeba italiis qalaqebSi `msoflio turnes~ farglebSi, aseve germaniaSi. . .
– xelisSemSleli pirobebis miuxedavad, saba miqelaZe da musika ganuyofelia. . .
– ra Tqma unda, radgan CemTvis musikis gareSe cxovreba ukve warmoudgenelia.
gvesaubreba pedagogi inga bocvaZe:
– mxolod xuTi welia, rac erTad vmecadineobT, magram sabam am mcire periodSic araerTi jildo, aRiareba moipova ara mxolod saqarTveloSi, aramed ucxoeTSic, kerZod, italiaSi, espaneTSi, amerikaSi. `karnegi holSi~ dakvra ki iciT, rasac niSnavs. es TavisiT ar modis, damqancveli Sromis Sedegia. jer bavSvuri xasiaTi Warbobs sabaSi, Tumca es Tavis warmoCenaSi xels ar uSlis italiaSi `patara virtuozi~ uwodes profesionalma musikosebma. cnobilma musikosma natalia trulma uTxra, rom mas SesaniSnavi bgerebi aqvs da, rac mTavaria, swori mimarTulebiT ukravs. aseTi Sefaseba misgan CemTvis didad sasixarulo da saamayoa. repertuars sagangebod vurCev. mjera, did warmatebas miaRwevs. samwuxaroa, rom maisSi italiaSi misi miwveva gauqmda, aseve, oqtomberSi, amerikis sam qalaqSi unda daekra. 4 maiss proeqtis `gza `karnegi holisaken~ xelmZRvanelma daviT RvinianiZem SesTavaza onlainCarTva. SekiTxvebs pasuxobda, Tan oTxi nawarmoebi daukra da sakuTari simRerac Seasrula. araCveulebrivi CarTva hqonda.
daimaxsovreT es saxeli – saba miqelaZe, is kidev araerTxel gvasaxelebs. warmatebebs vusurvebT mas!
