ასლან ლორთქიფანიძე: კონგრესმენების ეს საფუძველს მოკლებული ჩანაწერი მმართველი პარტიის ხელმძღვანელზე არ არის სასიამოვნო
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13 amerikeli „respublikeli“ kongresmeni: maik jonsoni, jo uilsoni, rob uitmeni, anna vagneri, aleqs muni, don beikoni, jek bergmani, nil dani, klei higinsi, ralf normani, den qrenSou, braian sTaili da maikl uolci xels awers dokuments, sadac naTqvamia, rom saqarTvelos umdidresi adamiani biZina ivaniSvili, romelic putinis axlo mokavSirea, ruseTis sasargeblod saqarTvelos destabilizaciaSia CarTuli.
aSS-is erovnuli usafrTxoebis axlad gamoqveynebul strategiaSi, saxelwodebiT: „amerikis gaZliereba da globalur safrTxeebTan brZola“ – saubaria ruseTis dezinformaciuli kampaniis liderebisTvis sanqciebis dawesebis aucileblobaze.
„sanqciebis daweseba ruseTis propagandis xelmZRvanelebsa da sxva qveynebSi putinis sasargeblod moqmed ruseTis marionetebzec unda moxdes. sanqciebi ar SexebiaT putinis im guliTad ucxoel megobrebs, romlebic Zirs uTxrian yofili sabWoTa qveynebis suverenitets,“- aRniSnulia dokumentSi, romelSic amave konteqstSi, biZina ivaniSvilTan erTad, naxsenebia ukraineli oligarqi viqtor medvedCuki.
kongresmenebis rekomendaciiT, Statebis saxelmwifo departamentma unda SeimuSaos kremlTan dakavSirebuli oligarqebis sia, es daexmareba kongress, gadawyvitos sanqciebis dawesebis sakiTxi, romelic garkveul pirebs Tu organizaciebs kremlis sasargeblod muSaobaSi xels SeuSlis.
saqarTveloSi amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis elCis keli degnanis gancxadebiT, rodesac kongress saqarTvelosTan komunikacia aqvs, es niSnavs, rom isini Tvals adevneben qveyanas, zrunaven saqarTveloze, aRiareben mis mniSvnelobas da surT, qveyanam warmatebas miaRwios.
– werili ar minaxavs, radgan gorSi vimyofebodi da mas detalurad ar vicnob. rac vici, aris is, rom rodesac warsulSi adgili hqonda komunikacias kongresis mxridan, es xdeboda imis gamo, rom isini Tvals adevneben saqarTvelos, zrunaven saqarTveloze, aRiareben mis mniSvnelobas da surT, rom qveyanam warmatebas miaRwios. satrategiuli partnioroba, romelic Cven gvaqvs saqarTvelosa da amerikis SeerTebul Statebs Soris, absoluturad arsebiTia orive qveynisTvis. Cven Zalian bevri CavdeT am partniorobis mSeneblobisa da TanamSromlobisTvis araerTi mimarTulebiT da, vfiqrob, rom kovid-19-Tan dakavSirebuli TanamSromloba, romelic Cven vixileT, amis kargi magaliTia. xelisuflebam Zalian kargad imuSava am krizisis dasaZlevad da Cven amayebi varT, rom vmuSaobT saqarTvelosTan erTad wiTeli jvrisa da sxvadasxva saagentos daxmarebiT, raTa uzrunvelvyoT sagangebo mdgomareobis warmatebuli menejmenti, aseve, SesaZlebeli gaxdes ekonomikuri ganviTareba, romelic saqarTvelos surs da sWirdeba, – acxadebs keli degnani da dasZens, – Cveni strategiuli partnioroba iseTi Zlieria, rogorc arasdros. miuxedavad imisa, rom amerikis elCi saqarTvelo-aSS-is mWidro partniorul urTierTobebze saubrobs, „evropuli saqarTvelos“ wevri giorgi kandelaki irwmuneba, rom 13 kongresmenidan orTan „qarTuli ocnebis“ liderebi TanamSromlobdnen.
– kongresmeni aleqs muni TbilisSic iyo Camosuli, mas arCil TalakvaZe Sexvda. kongresmen jo vilsonis xelmZRvanelobiT, romelic Zalian cnobili kongresmenia, delegacia iyo Camosuli, me rac maxsovs, orjer, TbilisSi, 2015 da 2017 wlebSi da maT umaspinZla maSindelma parlamentis Tavmjdomare irakli kobaxiZem. sxvaTa Soris, arCil TalakvaZec Sexvda jo vilsons vaSingtonSi da yoveli aseTi Sexvedris Semdeg, „qarTuli ocnebis“ liderebi acxadebdnen, rom gadasarevi Sexvedra iyo da yvelaferi gaziarebuli iqna maTi mxridan. amis gaTvaliswinebiT, maTi dRevandeli gancxadebebi am kongresmenebis misamarTiT iyo Cveni partniori qveynis sakanonmdeblo organos mniSvnelovani wevrebis mimarT Zalian Seuracxmyofeli da saqarTvelo-amerikis urTierTobebisTvis sruliad Seuferebeli, – ganacxada giorgi kandelakma.
amave partiis erT-erTi lideris giga bokerias TqmiT, qarTuli sazogadoeba xedavs, rom ivaniSvili da misi reJimi aZlierebs putinis poziciebs saqarTveloSi da amas mkafiod xedaven saqarTvelos megobrebic.Bbokeria aRniSnavs, rom msgavsi Sefasebebi saqarTvelos mimarT saerTaSoriso partniorebis mxridan iyo „vardebis revoluciis“ win, mokle monakveTSi. aRniSnuli gancxadeba gvaZlevs saSualebas vTqvaT, rom opozicia mTavar aqcents mainc revoluciur scenarze akeTebs, rac araerTxel gaaJReres kidec.
kongresmenebis gzavnilebi Seafasa mmarTvelma gundmac. saqarTvelos parlamentis adamianis uflebaTa dacvis komitetis Tavmjdomare sofo kilaZe ambobs, rom biZina ivaniSvilis yvelaze kargi Semfasebeli aris is brZeni qarTveli xalxi, romelic mas, 2012 wlidan moyolebuli, yovel wels, arCevnebze xmas aZlevs da upirobo mxardaWeras ucxadebs.
– Cven yovelTvis Zalian yuradRebiT vekidebiT Cveni strategiuli partniorebis, maT Soris, kongresmenebis gancxadebebsac. CvenTvis Cveni strategiuli partniori Zalian mniSvnelovania, magram mgonia, rom biZina ivaniSvilis Semfasebeli yvelaze kargad aris is brZeni qarTveli xalxi, romelic mas, 2012 wlidan moyolebuli, yovel wels, arCevnebze xmas aZlevs da upirobo mxardaWeras ucxadebs. es xalxi am qveyanaSi cxovrobs da yoveldRiurad xedavs, ra keTdeba, ra ar keTdeba da imis yvelaze kargi Semfasebeli, biZina ivaniSvili prodasavlelia Tu putinis kaci, qarTveli xalxia. amitom, mgonia, rom 2020 wlis Semodgomaze, rodesac arCevnebi gveqneba, qarTveli xalxi am kiTxvas pasuxs Zalian sworad gascems, rogorc aqamde akeTebda, – ganacxada sofo kilaZem.
– kongresmenebi, romlebic xels aweren mimarTvas, amboben, rom sanqciebi unda dauweson biZina ivaniSvils, – gviTxra aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis umaRlesi sabWos deputatma, „erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis“ wevrma asmaT diasamiZem. misive TqmiT, es is adamianebi arian, romlebic mudmivad ecnobian Cveni qveynis yoveldRiurobas, saqmis kursSi arian ra xdeba saqarTveloSi da Sesabamisad, SeSfoTebulebi arian prodasavluri kursis cvlilebiT da im mavnebluri politikiT, rasac dRevandeli xelisufleba atarebs.
– kongresmenebma ician, rom biZina ivaniSvilma qonebis didi nawili ruseTSi iSova da iq aqvs dabandebuli, arsebobs kavSirebic. Cveni partniorebi da megobrebi xvdebian, rom amiT SesaZloa dazaraldes qveyana, ramac maTi mxridan gamoiwvia sanqciebis SemoRebis moTxovna, – gviTxra asmaT diasamiZem.
umaRlesi sabWos umravlesobis wevris lado mgalobliSvilis pozicia kongresmenebis gzavnilze aseTia:
nebismier kongresmens aqvs azris gamoxatvis ufleba, amaSi problemas ver vxedav, Tumca, amerikis saxelmwifos pozicias, rogorc wesi, gamoxatavs saxelmwifo departamenti, am SemTxvevaSi sagareo saqmeTa saministro.
– Cven movismineT amerikis elCis gancxadeba, romelmac Tqva, rom Statebs da saqarTvelos Soris iseTi mWidro urTierToba arasdros yofila, rogoric dRes aris. am gancxadebiT, amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis pozicia cnobilia. rac Seexeba kongresmenebis morig gzavnils, vfiqrob, lobistebis namuSevaria. ori Tvis win „fronterasTan“ dakavSirebiTac iyo gancxadebebi. „fronteram“ saarbitraJo sasamarTloSi dava waago, Tumca es Tema dRemde aqtualuria, – ambobs lado mgalobliSvili da dasZens, rom msgavsi tipis gancxadebebs momavalSic unda velodoT rogorc winasaarCevno periodSi, ise arCvenebis Semdgomac.
kongresmenebis gzavnilis Sefaseba politolog aslan lorTqifaniZes vTxoveT.
– batono aslan, ratom gaaqtiurdnen amerikeli kongresmenebi bolo periodSi?
– Semodgomaze, rogorc saqarTveloSi, ise aSS-Si, mniSvnelovani arCevnebia. kongresmenebis gaaqtiurebac saqarTvelosa da aSS-Si arCevnebs ukavSirdeba. amerikuli istebliSmenti, rogorc mmarTvel `respublikur~ ise opoziciur `demokratiul partiaSi~, erTiani ar aris – partiebis SigniT, aseve, or dominant partias Soris mwvave konkurenciaa. am polemikaSi aSS-is mokavSire saqarTvelosadmi damokidebulebis Temac gamoiyeneba. saqarTveloSi mravlad aris arasamTavrobo organizaciebi, romlebic finansdebian im amerikuli fondebidan, romelTa umravlesoba dakavSirebulia aSS-is orive dominant partiasTan. amerikel kongresmenebTan muSaobis didi gamocdileba SeiZina yofilma saxelisuflebo partiam da axla is da misi ganStoebebi, maT Soris, arasamTavrobo seqtorSi, am kontaqtebs iyeneben moqmedi xelisuflebis „gasaSaveblad“.
– vin arian es kongresmenebi, romlebic biZina ivaniSvils putinTan mokavSireobaSi adanaSauleben? hqondaT Tu ara maT warsulSi rame urTierToba yofil xelisuflebasTan?
– 13-ma `respublikelma~ kongresmenma moamzada erovnuli usafrTxoebis strategia saxelwodebiT „amerikis gaZliereba da globalur safrTxeebTan brZola“. am dokumentiT isini iTxoven sanqciebi dauwesdes vladimer putinis, maTi xedviT, mokavSire sxva qveynis moqalaqeebs. isini am konteqstSi ganixilaven ukrainel miliarder medvedCuks da biZina ivaniSvils. TiTqos, ivaniSvili CarTulia ruseTis sasargeblod saqarTvelos destabilizaciaSi. am ucnauri da araobieqturi Sefasebis fonze saubroben saqarTveloze, rogorc demokratiul qveyanaze, romelic axorcielebda da axorcielebs natos egidiT samxedro kontribucias sxvadasxva qveynaSi. iqve aRniSnulia, rom saqarTvelo aSS-is demokratiuli mokavSirea, rom erT sul mosaxleze gadaangariSebiT saqarTvelom avRaneTSi yvelaze meti danakargi ganicada, vidre sxva romelime qveyanam. iqve aRmatebul tonSi saubaria samxedro TanamSromlobaze, natosTan partniorobaze da a.S. rac imas niSnavs, rom aRniSnuli dokumenti urTierTgamomricxav mosazrebebs Seicavs. Cven yuradReba unda mivaqcioT amerikis saxelmwifo departamentisa da saqarTveloSi aSS-is saelCos oficialur gancxadebebs da naklebad – calkeuli kongresmenebis mosazrebebs, rac xSir SemTxvevaSi, eyrdnoba saqarTvelodan miwodebul cru informacias.
– marTalia, amerikis elCi acxadebs, rom 13 kongresmenis gancxadeba Statebis pozicia ar aris, Tumca, Tqveni azriT, saqarTvelos saerTaSoriso imijze rogor aisaxeba msgavsi gancxadebebi?
– am gancxadebas eqneba mxolod Sida moxmareba rogorc aSS-is, ise saqarTveloSi calkeuli politikosebis mier. igi rame zemoqmedebas aSS-saqarTvelos strategiul TanamSromlobaze ver iqoniebs. es arc aSS-is saqarTvelos moqmed xelisuflebasTan damokidebulebaSi hpovebs asaxvas. Tumca kongresmenebis es safuZvels moklebuli Canaweri mmarTveli partiis xelmZRvanelze ar aris sasiamovno. moqmedi xelisuflebis pirobebSi saqarTvelo-aSS-is urTierToba sazogadoebrivi cxovrebis yvela sferoSi viTardeba, rac mmarTveli partiis xelmZRvanelis nebis gareSe warmoudgenelia.
– dabolos, batono aslan, kongresmenebis gancxadeba niSnavs Tu ara, rom „qarTuli ocnebis“ xelisuflebam ver moaxerxa saTanado urTierToba SeerTebul StatebTan?
– warmomadgenlobiTma palatam SarSan saqarTvelos mxardamWeri orpartiuli aqti daamtkica, rac ori qveynis xelisuflebebis mWidro urTierTobebis Sedegia. kongresi, mixedavad imisa, rom mxolod 2 partiiTaa wamodgenili, Zalian Wreli sakanonmdeblo organoa. yvela kongresmens aqvs Tavisi individualuri da, xSir SemTxvevaSi, gansxvavebuli Sexeduleba ama Tu im qveyanaSi mimdinare politikur procesebze. amgvari gansxvavebuli damokidebulebebi saqarTveloSi xelisuflebis saqmianobaze yovelTvis iyo da momavalSic iqneba. mTavaria, Tu ra gadawyvetilebas miiRebs warmomadgenlobiTi palata da senati, aseve, aSS-is saxelmwifo departamenti.
