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`erTi kviris win manqanaSi col-qmars ukrZalavdnen erTad
dajdomas, axla ki gadatenilia xalxiT avtobusebi. . .~
nebismiers SeiZleba SeemTxves kanonTan usiamovneba, rasac Tan axlavs dakaveba, dakiTxva, bralis wayeneba anu samarTlis kodeqsidan gamomdinare sxva procedurebi. varT Tu ara amisTvis mzad? ra Tqma unda, viciT, rom SegviZlia moviTxovoT `zari axlobelTan~, magram rogor unda mivceT Cveneba, davikiTxoT mowmis Tu braldebulis statusiT da ra SemTxvevaSi gvaqvs dumilis gamoyenebis ufleba _ amaze gvesaubreba profesor TinaTin wereTlis saxelobis saqarTvelos sisxlis samarTlis erovnuli centris generaluri direqtori, samarTlis doqtori, profesori paata SavaZe, romelic socialuri qselis meSveobiT auwyebs `feisbuqis~ momxmareblebs, risi ufleba aqvT, Tuki daakaveben.
– ra funqcia akisria da ra mizans isaxavs Tqveni centri?
– centri saqarTveloSi sisxlis samarTlis mimarTulebiT pirveli da erTaderTi specializebuli saadvokato momsaxurebis mravalprofiluri kompaniaa, romelic farTo momsaxurebas uwevs mosaxleobas qveynis masStabiT. amitom, saqarTveloSi sisxlis samarTlis mecnierebis fuZemdeblis TinaTin wereTlis saxels siamayiT vatarebT. interviuSi msurs visaubro ara mxolod dakavebis momentSi moqalaqis uflebebze, aramed imazec, Tu ramdenad icaven amas Tavad samarTaldamcvelebi da rogor unda eWiros Tavi am dros eWvmitanils. gasaTvaliswinebelia, rom, umetes SemTxvevaSi, dakavebuls ara aqvs am sikeTiT sargeblobis saSualeba. arc is unda daviviwyoT – sagamoZiebo organoebis winaSe pirispir aRmoCenil adamians, umetes SemTxvevaSi, gverdiT ar udgas advokati, romelic ar dauSvebs misi interesebis Selaxvas. aqedan gamomdinare, vcdilobT, maqsimalurad gavaziaroT is elementaruli codna, rac gamoadgeba nebismiers, Tuki aRmoCnda kanonis pirispir. Cveni principia: `icode kanoni da iqnebi daculi~.
– socialur qselSi, pirdapiri eTeris gamoyenebiT, rodesac afrTxilebT moqalaqeebs sxvadasxva kanondarRvevis Sesaxeb da awvdiT rekomendaciebs maTi uflebebis Taobaze, amas sakuTari iniciativiT akeTebT Tu – rogorc sisxlis samarTlis erovnuli centris generaluri direqtori?
– rogorc centris warmomadgenlebi, uflebamosilni varT, vawarmooT msgavsi saubrebi da CarTvebs vakeTebT, raTa moqalaqeebma icodnen sakuTari uflebebi. amasTan, rodesac isini gafrTxilebulebi arian, Cvenc, advokatebs, gviadvildeba Semdgomi saqmiswarmoeba maT dasacavad. Tuki dakavebuli moqalaqe xels arafers awers, iyenebs dumilis uflebas da elodeba advokats, amiT aRar uSvebs procesualur Secdomebs, Sedegad ki advokati dros aRar kargavs da martivad axerxebs dakavebulisTvis maqsimaluris gakeTebas.
– ZiriTadad, ra saqmeebs iRebT da iZleva Tu ara konkretul Sedegs Tqveni Zalisxmeva moqalaqeebis informirebis kuTxiT?
– rogor ara, didi datvirTviT gviwevs muSaoba da Cvens gunds aqvs Zalian rTuli kategoriis sisxlis samarTlis saqmeebi. Ria eTerSi bevri gvismens, ecnoba, yurad iRebs informacias da Sedegic Cans. Cvens centrSi sakmaod rTuli saqmeebi Semodis, romelic exeba yaCaRobas, Zaladobas, Zarcvas, qurdobas da a.S. Cveni kvalificiuri, Sedegze orientirebuli advokatebis meSveobiT, xSiria gamamarTlebeli ganaCeni, rac, dResdReobiT, sakmaod rTuli misaRwevia.
– Tuki moqalaqem ar icis Tqven mier zemoT naxsenebi sakuTari uflebebis Sesaxeb?
– am SemTxvevaSic vmuSaobT mis gamarTlebaze, ra Tqma unda, Tuki es SesaZlebelia. ubralod, ufro meti dro da Zalisxmeva gvWirdeba. im SemTxvevaSic, Tuki dakavebulma miiRo monawileoba amocnobaSi an sagamoZiebo eqsperimentSi, rac mniSvnelovani mtkicebulebaa, aRmogviCenia procesualuri darRvevebi, ris Sedegadac sasamarTlo veRar gaiziarebs gamamtyunebel ganaCens, anu, maSinac ki vaxerxebT efeqturad moqmedebas.
– visargebleb SemTxveviT da. . . Tu arsebobs Sansi, moqalaqem Tavidan aicilos administraciuli jarima, romelic daakisres koronavirusis gamo dawesebuli SezRudvebis darRvevis gamo?
– ra Tqma unda, es aris rigiTi administraciuli aqtebi, romelic ganixileba saerTo samarTalwarmoebis wesiT da moqalaqes aqvs ufleba, igi sadao gaxados. magaliTad, col-qmari erTi ojaxia, erTad sZinavT, erTad cxovroben, meurneobas awarmoeben. . . rodesac es ori gverdi-gverd jdeba manqanis salonis wina savarZelSi da amisTvis ajarimeben sami aTasi lariT, ismis kiTxva – ramdenad adekvaturia es? me rom mosamarTle viyo, amas mivcem umkacres samarTlebriv Sefasebas. Tuki ojaxSi erTad varT col-qmari, ratom majarimeb maincdamainc manqanaSi erTad dajdomis gamo? agreTve, samarTlebriv kolafsSi gvagdebs igive manqanaSi mxolod ori mgzavris Casmis ufleba. Tuki col-qmars hyavs ori, sami da a.S. Svili, sad unda waiyvanon, sad datovon, visTan, iqneb arc hyavT damtovebeli? romc hyavdeT, ori gza unda gaakeTon sxvagan mTeli ojaxis gadaadgilebisTvis? moqalaqeebi xSirad daobdnen am sakiTxis irgvliv.
– kiTxvebi Cndeba sabavSvo baRebis daxurvis gamoc. sxvadasxva obieqtis muSaobis ufleba gasces, magram vis unda dautovon patarebi ufrosebma, rom imuSaon, amaze aravin fiqrobs.
– amasTan, kidev erTi sakiTxia gasarkvevi – daixura bavSvTa baRebi da skolebi, magram savsea bavSvebiT saTamaSo moednebi, ezoebi, parkebi. Tuki moedanze 20-mde bavSvi erTad TamaSobs, ofliandeba, ekontaqteba sxvebs, maSin skola ratom daixura, iq xom ufro daculebi iqnebodnen? jer kidev erTi kviris win manqanaSi col-qmars ukrZalavdnen erTad dajdomas, axla ki gadatenilia xalxiT avtobusebi, magram aravin arafers krZalavs. niRabi ki ukeTiaT, magram Svelis?! am kuTxiT kargad gvaxsovs, pandemiis dros infeqcionistebi rom gamodiodnen sityviT – ar gaikeToT niRbebi, arafers Svelis, piriqiT, xuTavso. axla piriqiT yvirian, unda gekeToT, SegveSalao. Tuki ar gikeTia, isev da isev gajarimeben… yvelaferi es badebs SekiTxvebs, eWvebs, abnevs xalxs da sawinaaRmdegod ganawyobs swored am SezRudvebis mimarT.
– rogorc samarTlis doqtori, rogor fiqrobT, ratom iRebs xelisufleba erTmaneTis gamomricxav am gadawyvetilebebs?
– cxadia, xelisuflebis yvela am postfaqtum gadawyvetilebaSi raRac Canafiqri devs, Tumca, dRemde ver gavigeT – ra. igive restornebSi Ria verandaze dajdoma SeiZleba, darbazSi – ara. . . esaa dausabuTebeli, moufiqrebeli gadawyvetilebebi, romlebic undoblobas iwvevs moqalaqeebSi. mosamarTle rom viyo, Zalian bevr msgavs brZanebulebas gavauqmebdi. aqve minda davamato, rom unda aikrZalos infeqcionistebis SemaSfoTebeli, mudmivad daZabulobis efeqtis gamomwvevi gancxadebebi Ria eTeriT. xalxi nerviulobs, moxucebi, bavSvebi afeqtur mdgomareobaSi imyofebian. msgavsi fsiqologiuri zewola dauSvebelia samarTlebriv saxelmwifoSi.
– davubrundeT moqalaqeebis uflebebs, dakavebis momentSi, pirvel rigSi, ras unda mivaqcioT yuradReba?
– pirvel rigSi, dgeba dakavebis oqmi, sadac weria, rom moqalaqes ganemarta sakuTari uflebebi. am oqms praqtikulad aravin kiTxulobs da ecnoba, meqanikurad uweren xels, iq ki weria – ganemarta, rom gaaCnia: dumilis, advokatis da a.S. uflebebi. xels ki gawerineben, magram sinamdvileSi am uflebebis realizacia ar xdeba. ZiriTadad, swored am niadagze warmoiqmneba dava. gamomZiebeli amtkicebs, xeli moawera da iciso, xolo dakavebuli ambobs, CemTvis araferi ganumartavTo. arada, xeli mowerili aqvs da amis sapirispiros mtkiceba rTuldeba. anu, visac daakaveben, unda icodes, gamoiyenos dumilis ufleba da daelodos advokats. ar unda miiRos monawileoba arc erT sagamoZiebo gamokiTxvaSi, eqsperimentSi, moqmedebaSi.
– sisxlis samarTlis saproceso kodeqsis romel muxlSia es ganmartebuli?
– saqarTvelos sisxlis samarTlis saproceso kodeqsis 38-e muxliTaa garantirebuli braldebulis uflebebi: 1. dakavebis momentSi an, Tu dakaveba ar xdeba, – braldebulad cnobisTanave, dauyovnebliv, aseve, nebismieri dakiTxvis win braldebuls misTvis gasageb enaze unda ecnobos, saqarTvelos sisxlis samarTlis kodeqsiT gaTvaliswinebuli romeli danaSaulis CadenaSi arsebobs mis mimarT dasabuTebuli varaudi. braldebuls unda gadaeces dakavebis oqmis an, Tu is ar daukavebiaT, – braldebis Sesaxeb dadgenilebis asli. 2. dakavebis momentSi an, Tu dakaveba ar xdeba, – braldebulad cnobisTanave, dauyovnebliv, aseve, nebismieri dakiTxvis win braldebuls unda ecnobos, rom mas aqvs advokatis, dumilisa da kiTxvebze pasuxis gacemisagan Tavis Sekavebis ufleba, ufleba – ar daibralos danaSauli, rom yvelaferi, rasac igi ityvis, SesaZlebelia mis winaaRmdeg gamoiyenon, da ufleba – dapatimrebisas, xolo dakavebisas, misi moTxovnis SemTxvevaSi, Sesabamis dawesebulebaSi miyvanisTanave miiRos ufaso samedicino Semowmeba. 3. Tu braldebuli Tavs aridebs samarTaldamcav organoSi gamocxadebas, braldebis Sesaxeb dadgenilebis asli gadaecema mis advokats, rac iTvleba bralis wayenebad. 4. braldebuls SeuZlia nebismier dros gamoiyenos dumilis ufleba. Tu braldebuli irCevs dumilis uflebas, es ar SeiZleba Sefasdes misi braleulobis damadasturebel mtkicebulebad. 5. braldebuls aqvs advokatis arCevisa da yolis, aseve, mis mier arCeuli advokatis nebismier dros Secvlis ufleba, xolo Tu is uqonelia – ufleba, daeniSnos advokati saxelmwifos xarjze.
– advokati maSinve sad unda naxos?
– kanonis mixedviT, imave muxlSi weria, rom `braldebuls unda hqondes gonivruli dro da saSualeba dacvis momzadebisaTvis. braldebulisa da misi advokatis urTierToba konfidencialuria. akrZalulia braldebulisa da misi advokatis urTierTobaze iseTi SezRudvebis daweseba, romlebic xels SeuSlis dacvis saTanadod ganxorcielebas~.
– minda, popularulad gangvimartoT rekomendaciebi. . .
– kargi, maSin yvelas gafrTxilebT – dakavebisas moiTxoveT advokati! advokatis mosvlamde gamoiyeneT dumilis ufleba! ar miiRoT monawileoba arc erTi saxis sagamoZiebo moqmedebaSi, gansakuTrebiT ki sagamoZiebo eqsperimentSi! gaxsovdeT, rom braldebuls ufleba aqvs, ar miiRos monawileoba arc erT sagamoZiebo moqmedebaSi! ar iCqaroT braldebis mtkicebulebaTa udavod cnoba! ar SeSindeT! ar motyuvdeT! simSvide SeinarCuneT dakavebisas da xeli arafers moaweroT! advokats daelodeT da misi rCeviT imoqmedeT! nu miscemT saSualebas braldebas, Tavs mogaxvioT dausabuTebeli brali!
– komendantis saaTis moqmedebisas SezRuduli hqondaT Tu ara advokatebs gadaadgileba?
– advokati acnobebda advokatTa asociacias, romelic, Tavis mxriv, gadascemda mis monacemebs operatiul Stabs da uwerdnen saSvs, Tumca amisTvis damcvels mTeli rigi procedurebi unda gaevlo. im periodSi Zalian rTuli gamowvevis winaSe dadga dakavebuli piris uflebebisa da kanonieri interesebis dacvis sakiTxi, braldebis mxares ki mieca SesaZleblobaTa udidesi areali, advokatis gamocxadebamde, dakavebuli piris mimarT ganexorcielebina strategiisaTvis mniSvnelovani nebismieri moqmedeba. amitom gafrTxilebT, ar misceT saSualeba, gamoiyenon Tqveni saqmeSi Cauxedaoba da kanonebSi gauTviTcnobierebuloba.
– ukve gaTanabrda uflebebi advokaturasa da prokuraturas Soris?
– diax, sisxlis samarTlis kodeqsis me-9 muxlis pirveli nawilis Sesabamisad, sisxlissamarTlebrivi devnis dawyebisTanave sisxlis samarTlis procesi xorcieldeba mxareTa Tanasworobisa da SejibrebiTobis safuZvelze. SejibrebiToba mxareebs Soris garantirebulia rogorc gamoZiebis, ise saqmis sasamarTloSi ganxilvis stadiaze (ix. sssk 25-e muxli). aRniSnuli principi Tanabar mdgomareobaSi da pirobebSi ayenebs mxareebs maT mier mtkicebulebaTa mopovebis, mosamarTlis winaSe maTi warmodgenis, gamokvlevisa da analizis mxriv. axla ukve aranairi privilegia arc erT mxares ara aqvs da bevri ram aris damokidebuli advokatze.
– Tqven wardgenili iyaviT uzenaesi sasamarTlos mosamarTlis postze, Tumca ver gaxdiT. mizezi?
– amaze ar vdaob, radgan garkveuli principebiT SeirCnen mosamarTleebi. ra vuyoT, axla ar gavxdi, Semdeg gavxdebi… magram mainc madlobeli var, rom 150-kaciani siidan 50 pretendentSi movxvdi. es iyo udidesi pativi CemTvis, rogorc profesionalisTvis, iusticiis umaRlesma sabWom daafasa Cemi Rvawli da sakmaod maRali qulebi momca.
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