ირაკლი შარაძე: ახალ კორონავირუსს მსოფლიო მოუმზადებელი შეხვდა, თუმცა საქართველომ შეუძლებელი შეძლო. . .
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amerikam bevrs auxdina ocnebebi. erT-erTi maTgani, vinc am okeanis gaRma mdebare zesaxelmwifoSi sakuTari SromiTa da mondomebiT asaxela saqarTvelo, Cveni cnobili musikosi, baTumeli irakli SaraZea.
meSvide welia, rac is saqarTvelodan amerikaSi specialuri miwveviT gaemgzavra. rogorc ambobs, iq wasvlaze arasodes ufiqria, sanam erT dRes SesaniSnav musikos levan SengeliasTan erTad baTumis piacaze koncerti ar gamarTa. levani amerikaSi ukve moRvaweobda. swored man miiwvia irakli amerikasa da kanadaSi erTaderTi qarTuli gamomcemlobis `mamulis~ saiubileo koncertSi monawileobis misaRebad. misi dasrulebis Semdeg iraklim SemoTavazebebi miiRo. baTumSi Camosvlisas moamzada sabuTebi da miwveviT amerikaSi gaemgzavra. 2014 wlidan ojaxTan erTad iq cxovrobs.
– romel qalaqSi CaxvediT da axla sad cxovrobT?
– niu-iorkidan daviwye da aqve davfuZndi. vmuSaob niu-jersis musikis akademiaSi. sxva Statia, magram ar aris Sors saxlidan.
– vici, rom pedagogad muSaobT. ras aswavliT?
– roca aq Camovedi, ramdenime TveSi manhetenze gaimarTa gerSvinis saxelobis meore saerTaSoriso konkursi, me da nini Sermadini vmonawileobdiT. me wlis saukeTeso akompanimentis nominaciaSi gavimarjve, ninim – saukeTeso momRerlis. Jiuris wevri aRmoCnda niu-jersis akademiis damfuZnebeli, romelmac migviwvia TavisTan akademiaSi. igi am konkursis erT-erTi damfinansebeli iyo da akademiaSi safortepiano ganyofilebaze muSaoba SemomTavaza, ninis – vokalurze. dRemde am akademiaSi vmuSaob. paralelurad, myavs bendi, romelSic qarTvelebi ukraven, maT Soris, levan Sengeliac. sxvadasxva dRes niu-iorkSi sxvadasxva lokaciazec vukravT. miwveva miviRe diana bagrationis fondisganac.
– gagiWirdaT Segueba?
– dasawyisisTvis rTuli iyo. axali cxovrebis dawyebas sirTuleebi mudam axlavs, magram aqaurma emigraciam gansakuTrebuli Tanadgoma icis. axla ukve mec igives vcdilob.
– enis barieri rogor gadalaxeT?
– Tavdapirvelad, akademiaSi rom mimiwvies, swored amis gamo vTqvi uari, magram enis Seswavla daviwye, rom ityvian, dRe da Rames vasworebdi. jer musikaluri terminologia Seviswavle. Tanac, amaTi musikaluri sistema sul sxvaa da Zalian didi dro damWirda gadasawyobad. es aris artakademia, romelic xelovnebis yvela sferos moicavs – pirveli klasidan umaRles safexuramde.
– bavSvebi rogor Seeguen amerikas?
– niniko erTi wlis iyo, rom CamovediT, SoTiko aq SegveZina. mSobliuri ena rom scodnodaT, amis gamo nato (aqve aRvniSnav, iraklis SesaniSnvi meuRle hyavs – nato SaviSvili – m. Z.) sul saxlSi iyo, sanam bavSvebma gamarTulad ar daiwyes metyveleba. niniko pirvelklaselia da talantebis skolaSi moxvda. warmatebuli skolaa.
– da qarTuli kargad ician?
– ician, rom saxlSi sul qarTulad unda isaubron. is ki ara, sadac qarTuli garemo daxvdebaT – iqac. skolaSi inglisurad uwevT komunikacia da es ufro uadvildebaT, magram vcdilobT gakontrolebas. eklesiaSic qarTulad laparakoben. ninikos bebia saqarTvelodan, onlainreJimSi, qarTul wera-kiTxvas aswavlis, aqac, roca Camodis. SoTiko jer pataraa amisTvis.
– irakli, SemoqmedebiT mxares SevexoT – ra siaxlea TqvenTan?
– vamzadeb simRerebs axali diskisTvis, romelsac male gamovcem. garda amisa, vaJa tuRuSis SemoqmedebiTi saRamo unda gamarTuliyo 1 agvistos baTumis musikalur centrSi, romelsac musikalurad vxelmZRvanelobdi…
– miTxres, rom axal sazogadoebriv saqmes CaudeqiT saTaveSi.
– ki. niu-iorkSi dafuZnda saqarTvelodan amerikaSi emigrirebul moqalaqeebTan kulturuli urTierTobebis asociaciis filiali, romlis xelmZRvaneladac amirCies.
– ra miznebs isaxavT?
– gvinda moviwvioT qarTveli xelovanebi aq da xeli SevuwyoT. pirvel etapze nino gogoliSvilis gamofenis mowyobas vgegmavT. . . samwuxarod, pandemiam SegvaCera.
– sainformacio saSualebebi gadmoscemen, rom amerikaSi axal koronavirusTan dakavSirebiT Zalian mZime situaciaa.
– sagangebo mdgomareoba, romelic 20 marts mTel amerikaSi gamocxadda, ar moxsnila. gansakuTrebiT cudi mdgomareobaa niu-iorkSi, magram rame gansakuTrebuli SezRudvebi ar aris dawesebuli. es sagangebo mdgomareoba mkacri SezRudvebiT policielis mier dakavebisas uiaraRo afroamerikeli jorj floidis sikvdils mohyva.
– rogoria maqedan danaxuli saqarTvelo am koronavirusis pirobebSi?
– yvelam davinaxeT, rom saqarTvelom SesaniSnavad gaarTva Tavi pandemiasTan brZolas. amerika didi qveyanaa da kontroli Wirs, Tanac es yvelasTvis moulodneli iyo da, vfiqrob, mTeli samyaro Sexvda moumzadebeli, saqarTvelom ki moaxerxa da didi sityvac Tqva. axla mTavaria, moufrTxildeT da SeinarCunoT es mdgomareoba.
– Tqven irgvliv vinme daavadda koronavirusiT?
– ki. iyvnen cnobili qarTvelebic, magram umetesobam, faqtobrivad, usimptomod gadaitana. erTi Cemi uaxloesi megobari aCiko gogitiZec xom daavadda, magram sul simRer-simReriT `gaacila~ da yvela gaamxiarula.
– aCiko daubrundeba amerikaSi saqmianobas da swavlas gaagrZelebs?
– ra Tqma unda – yvelaferi rom dasruldeba.
– sagangebo mdgomareoba da SezRudvebi Tavad rogor gadaitaneT?
– 15 wlis asakidan aseTi dasveneba ar mqonia. aq erTi parkia da axloblebi bavSvebTan erTad vikribebodiT, ra Tqma unda, yvela rekomendaciis dacviT, pirbadeebiT. . . simwvaneSi gavdiodiT, bavSvebs vamRerebdiT, sagaloblebs vaswavlidiT, davrbodiT. ase garToba-garTobaSi, simReriT gadagvaqvs yvelaferi. vinc muSaobs da qveyanas gadasaxadebs uxdis, saxelmwifo exmareba da uxdis xelfass manam, sanam ar aRdgeba yvelaferi. ra Semosavalic gqonda wliuri, iqidan gamohyavT saSualo da imas gixdian.
– roca pandemia daiwyo, CvenTan maRaziebSi rigebi gaCnda. mand?
– am periodSi maRaziebSi Sesvla gaWirda. qarTvelebs bevri ram gvaqvs gadatanili da es gvSvelis. aq cota panikaSi Cavardnen. . . maRaziebi dacarielda, magram Zalian swrafad Seivso maragi. axla Cveulebriv reJimSi muSaoben.
– pirbadeebiT dadixarT?
– gare sivrceSi ar vatarebT, magram Tu oficialur dawesebulebaSi, maRaziaSi Sedixar, pirbadis tareba aucilebelia.
– virusma, samsaxurTan erTad, albaT Tqveni SemoqmedebiTi gegmebic Secvala.
– floridaSi mqonda dagegmili koncerti, aseve – pensilvaniaSi. `aliloc~ unda Camosuliyo. gvqonda sxva gegmebic, magram droebiT SeCerda. am saRamoebis momzadebaSi imdeni energiaa Cadebuli, rom maTi gauqmeba gamoricxulia.
– genatrebaT baTumi? am kiTxvas arc unda vsvamde, radgan internetiT yvela xedavs, rogor esiyvarulebiT samSoblos.
– aq okeanis aveniuze vcxovrob. ase hqvia am adgils, radgan aqedan okeanis sanapiroze gadadixar. Tu dro maqvs, Cveulebivad SevisunTqav zRvis haers, vtkbebi mofarfate ToliebiT da. . . ase `davseirnob~ baTumSi. . . . wels Zalian mindoda Camosvla, magram, samwuxarod, aRar moxerxdeba. koncertebi gauqmebulia da, meorec, axla mgzavroba ufro saSiSia, vidre aq darCena.
– bavSvebs enatrebaT aqauroba?
– ra Tqma unda. ori wlis win viyaviT. axla socialuri qseli am monatrebas cotaTi gvimsubuqrebs, mSoblebs yoveldRiurad vesaubrebiT. megobrebsac xSirad vekontaqtebi, siSore siyvaruls ufro aRvivebs.
– Svilebs Tu aswavliT musikas?
– ki, ra Tqma unda. vaswavli pianinoze dakvras, cekvas, orive dagvyavs qarTul ansamblSi `fesvebi~. ninuca xatvazec dadis. axla simRera gvinda CavweroT mama petres teqstze. ojaxi pirvelad erTad SevasrulebT qarTul simReras. bavSvebi minda eziaron qarTul xelovnebas. saxlSi patara kuTxe maqvs mowyobili. bavSvebi qarTul fesvebs ar unda mowydnen. saqarTvelo yvelaze magari qveyanaa da sadac ar unda iyos qarTveli, mis siyvaruls yvelgan unda daatarebdes, misTvis SesaZleblobebis minimalurs mainc unda akeTebdes. monatreba mudam CemSia. yvelam icis, rogori mxiaruli var, magram sentimentaloba da monatreba igrZnoba Cems nawarmoebebSi. ar arsebobs adamiani, romlis sizmris fragmenti mainc ar iyos saqarTvelosTan dakavSirebuli. mec maT Soris var.
– baTumelebi bevrni arian?
– ki, sakmaod. daTo frangiSvili, gia TebiZe, qeTi SaviSvili. . . SarSan sufrasTan 70 aWareli SevikribeT sxvadasxva Statidan. me viTamade.
– aWaris ansamblis wevrebTanac gaqvT kavSiri…
– giorgi farsenaZes, oTar miqelaZes, amiran paiWaZes, sxvebs sul vexmianebi. . . . Zalian bevri megobari myavs. aTi weli vimuSave aWaris simRerisa da cekvis saxelmwifo akademiur ansambl `arsianis~ orkestrSi da es cota ar aris.
– yvelaze metad ra genatrebaT?
– amas roca mekiTxebian, ase vpasuxob: menatreba zurab gorgilaZis quCaze Cavla, cirkidan – bolomde. . . yvela gicnobs, yvelas eferebi da gefereba. ai, es siTbo maklia. . . da Cemi qeda, ra Tqma unda.
– ramden xans apirebT okeanisgaRma cxovrebas?
– ar vici. gegmebi maqvs dasaxuli da ramdeni dro dasWirdeba maT ganxorcielebas, ver getyviT.
– ra gaswavlaT amerikam gamorCeulad?
– aq yvelaze metad davafase dro. saqarTveloSi xSirad ityvian: `modi, dro gaviyvanoT~. amerikaSi es gamoricxulia. momwons punqtualuroba da is, rom sakuTar Tavs TviTon qmni, Senzea damokidebuli, rogor warmarTav cxovrebas. aq SeuZlebeli araferia, rasac ginda, miaRwev, dabrkoleba ar arsebobs. mTavaria, iyo Sromisunariani, Sromismoyvare, disciplinirebuli, marTali, kanonmorCili adamiani. roca ndobas moipoveb, yvelaferi saukeTesod midis. . . Zalian kargi qveyanaa da amas yovelTvis vityvi. roca aq yvelafers miaRwev, ar SeiZleba masze augi Tqva. rac Seexeba saqarTvelos, Cveni problema, samwuxarod, isaa, rom materialurad gauWirdaT da gunebac SeecvalaT, Torem qarTvel xalxze niWieri, guliani, stumarTmoyvare arsad meguleba. oRond Cven `zogadebi~ varT.
– es ras niSnavs?
– amerikaSi erTi mimarTulebiTaa adamiani ganaTlebuli, magram Tavis saqmeSi Zalian Zlieria. levan Sengelia xSirad xumrobs, rom marcxena yurs sxva eqimi hyavs da marjvenas – sxvao. qorwinebas sxva advokati emsaxureba, ganqorwinebas – sxva, saxlis yidvas sxva. . . magram sxva sferoSi SeiZleba minimaluradac ver erkveodes, saqarTveloSi ki kargi specialistic SeiZleba iyos da sxva rameSic saukeTesod erkveodes. es zogadi ganaTleba bevr qarTvels aq Zalian exmareba.
– am gadmosaxedidan, ras gamoasworebdiT saqarTveloSi?
– Zalian momwons gamoTqma: `xeli xels bans da orive – pirsao~, aqedan gamomdinare vambob, mTavroba unda daexmaros xalxs da xalxi – mTavrobas. rom Camovedi, cota sizarmace SevamCnie Cems qarTvelebs. SesaZloa, xelfasi cotaa, magram Tu ar iSromeb, isic xom ar geqneba? ra Tqma unda, sasurvelia bevri samuSao adgili, rom emigracia dabrundes. adamianebmac unda akeTon TavianTi saqme, marto lanZRva advilia. naCuqari 100 da 200 lars advilad daxarjav, magram Seni gamomuSavebulis daxarjva giWirs.
– irakli, rogor warmogidgeniaT samomavlod cxovreba?
– ar vici, radgan yvela imaze saubrobs, rom seqtembridan isev iseTive mdgomareoba Seiqmneba. ukve mogvivida Setyobineba skolidan, rom swavla, savaraudod, ianvarSi aRdgeba, anu, rogorc adre Tqves, am wlis bolomde `normaluri~ cxovreba ar gveqneba. sabolood, adamianebi erTmaneTTan urTierTobas dakargaven, rac Zalian cudia.
