ედიშერ ჯაფარიძე: ამომრჩეველს რომ ენდო, ჯერ საკუთარი თავის უნდა გჯეროდეს
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politologi, eqsperti evrointegraciis sakiTxebSi ediSer jafariZe, Suaxevis municipalitetis mkvidri, dedaqalaqSi cxovrobs da moRvaweobs. mkiTxvelisTvis interesmoklebuli ar iqneba masTan saWirboroto sakiTxebze saubari.
– batono ediSer, am etapze riTi xarT dakavebuli?
– sazRvargareT swavlis dasrulebis Semdeg, davbrundi samSobloSi da vagrZeleb pedagogiur da samecniero-kvleviT saqmianobas saqarTvelos teqnikur universitetSi. vmuSaob ramdenime metad mniSvnelovan proeqtze.
– Tqven sazogadoebas gaacaniT ucxoeTSi moRvawe Cveni Tanamemamuleebi, romelTa politikur, sazogadoebriv, mecnierul muSaobaze aqamde informacia ar gvqonda. . .
– ar minda gadaWarbebulad miiRoT, magram simarTle unda vTqva – Cven safuZvlianad SeviswavleT (guram SaraZis Semdeg) dRemde ucnobi evropolitikosis m. musxelis moRvaweoba, am kvleviT evropas vaCveneT, rom adrec aqtiurad vmonawileobdiT evropuli Rirebulebebisa da faseulobebis formireba-damkvidrebaSi. maSinac vicodiT, magaliTad, rom evrokavSiri evropis saxelmwifoTa ekonomikur-politikuri organoa, aseve, konfederaciuli da supranacionaluri gaerTianebac, rac mSvidobisa da socialuri samarTlianobis ideas efuZneba federaciuli erTobis farglebSic da federirebuli saxelmwifoebis nairferovnebaSic. federalizmi, romelsac moixsenieben rogorc `erTianobas – mravalferovnebaSi~, an `Tavisuflebas – wesrigSi~, gulisxmobs garkveuli wonasworobis damyarebas asocirebis kanonebsa da federaciis wevrebis uflebebs Soris. masSi asocirebuli saxelmwifoebis avtonomiis pativiscema iseTive prioritetulia, rogorc Tavad asocirebis mniSvnelobis principi. federacia harmoniulad aTanxmebs erTmaneTTan saxelmwifoTa saerTo da kerZo interesebs. igi moqnili dialeqtikis matarebeli Zlieri filosofiaa. mas sakuTari institucionaluri xerxemali da ganxorcielebis originaluri meqanizmebi aqvs, rac momavlis did imeds gvisaxavs. misi wyalobiT Cveni planeta adamianTa miwa gaxdeba, dasavluri civilizacia ki axali humanizmis kera, – ambobda m. musxeli. am ideologiaze da principebze dayrdnobiT Seqmna man evropis federaluri mowyobis politikuri modeli, romlis naTeli magaliTi evrokavSiria. evrokavSiri da misi modeli, SeiZleba iTqvas, rom erTi erTSi zis, maT Soris, evrokavSiris devizic miSel musxelis naSromis saxelwodebis ranJirebuli versiaa – `erTianoba mravalferovnebaSi – mravalferovnebiT gaerTianebulni~. es naSromi warmoadgens evrokavSiris gaerTianebis predokuments, romelsac samarTlebrivis garda, politikuri datvirTvac gaaCnia. vsargeblob SemTxveviT da madlobas vuxdi evrosabWoSi saqarTvelos mudmiv warmomadgenls, elCs irakli giviaSvils da wignis redaqtor zurab jguburias, rom Targmnes igi da qarTveli mkiTxvelisTvis xelmisawvdomi gaxades. iseTi didebuli pirovneba da mecnieri, rogoric miSel musxeli iyo, bevr qveyanas ar hyavs. mas dasavleT evropaSi ufro did pativs scemen, vidre saqarTveloSi. Zalian samwuxaroa, rom Cveni araerTgzis mcdelobis miuxedavad, saqarTvelom ver gamoiyena unikaluri Sansi, evropis sabWos prezidenti qveynis SesaZlebloba (am sabWos erT-erTi damaarsebeli da sulisCamdgmeli Tavad miSel musxelic gaxldaT) da saTanadod ver warmoaCina evropaSi Tavisi saxeli, is, rom Cven im evropis nawili varT, romlis Seqmna-CamoyalibebaSi saqarTvelos Svilic aqtiurad monawileobda. Tumca, imeds ar vkargavT, rom male dadgeba dro da evropa saTanadod daafasebs miSelis amags. aseve, vmuSaob Zmebi nikuraZeebis Semoqmedebaze. marTalia, Seviswavle aleqsandre nikuraZe, rogorc evropuli kvlevebis dargis fuZemdebeli msoflioSi, magram Zalze sainteresoa ivane nikuraZis Rvawli ara marto evropisTvis, aramed msofliosTvisac, man saTave daudo Tanamedrove hidrodinamikas da aerodinamikas. misi SemuSavebuli Teoriis safuZvlebs msoflioSi dResac iyeneben sabrZolo TviTmfrinavebisa da atomuri bombis aerodinamikaze muSaobisas. misi gamokvleva safuZvlad daedo msoflioSi Tanamedrove matareblis warmoebis koncefcias. sul male, qarTveli mkiTxveli, Cemi avtorobiT, kidev erT saintereso gamokvlevas ixilavs Zmebi nikuraZeebis moRvaweobaze. albaT, male, germanul enaze gamova Cemi morigi monografia, romelic evrokavSirisa da samxreT kavkasiis samezoblo politikas exeba. es pirveli naSromi iqneba, sadac kompleqsuradaa Seswavlili samezoblo politika evrokavSirsa da samxreT kavkasias Soris.
– leqciebis kursi migyavT qveynis ramdenime umaRles saswavlebelSi. koronavirusis pandemiam yvelas da yvelafers uaryofiTi kvali daamCnia. ramdenad moergeT onlainreJimSi muSaobas?
– zogadad, CemTvis onlainmuSaoba ucxo ar aris da rom giTxraT, gamiWirda, sicrue iqneba, Tumca leqciis wakiTxvas auditoriaSi ufro meti efeqti rom aqvs, isedac naTelia. procesi cocxali da produqtiulia. rac Seexeba pandemias, kacobrioba globaluri krizisis winaSe dgas da bunebrivia, Znelia isaubro grZelvadian prognozebze. erTi ram cxadia: dRes msoflio radikalurad icvleba. Seicvleba kidev bevri, gansakuTrebiT ekonomikuri, politikuri, saganmanaTleblo da jandacvis sistemebis mimarTulebiT. adre Tu am sferoebSi etapobrivad da gegmazomierad mimdinareobda procesebi globalizaciis qolgis qveS, axla es gacilebiT swrafi da qaosuria. samyaro ufro kontrolirebadi xdeba, saxes icvlis da es aisaxeba mTeli msoflios ekonomikaze, ganaTlebis xarisxsa da efeqturi jandacvis uzrunvelyofaze.
– ra Sexeduleba gaqvT qveynis axlandeli xelmZRvanelobis muSaobaze axali koronavirusis pandemiis pirobebSi?
– metad pozitiuri da es, ZiriTadad, ganpirobebulia ori mniSvnelovani faqtoriT. pirveli: obieqturi viqnebi da vityvi, rom mmarTveli gundi qveyanaSi popularobiT sargeblobs da es bunebrivicaa, roca adamianis sicocxles exeba saqme. am SemTxvevaSi, adamiani anu individi aqcia prioritetad. es saqarTvelos damoukideblobis istoriaSi imis precedentia, rom saxelmwifos interesebi davida konkretuli individebis interesebamde (vgulisxmob Tundac ucxoeTidan amdeni adamianis ase organizebulad Camoyvanas da maTze zrunvas) da es, ra Tqma unda, demokratiisken gadadgmuli nabijia. SemTxveviTi araa, rom dRes, msoflio pandemiis pirobebSi, erT-erTi saukeTeso monacemebi saqarTvelos aqvs da qveynis ramdenime regioni mwvane zonis statuss inarCunebs, rac msoflios sxva qveynebSi iSviaTobaa. arada, saqarTvelo Tavisi geografiuli mdebareobiT erTgvar damakavSirebel xids warmoadgens evropasa da azias Soris. xelisuflebam mainc SeZlo pandemiis marTva da es dasafasebelia. meore: es gaxlavT premier-ministris, baton giorgi gaxarias koordinirebuli muSaoba jandacvis warmomadgenlebTan da profesiuli rekomendaciebis gaTvaliswineba. gansakuTrebiT aRsaniSnavia is faqti, rom msoflio jandacvis organizaciis rekomendaciebi, romlebic man axali koronavirusis pandemiad gamocxadebisTanave gaavrcela, qarTvelma eqimebma gaiTvaliswines erT-erT da ara erTaderT saxelmZRvanelod, ramac Tavidan agvacila am virusis `gaparvis~ procesi. SemdegSi aman ganapiroba saqarTvelos warmateba sxva qveynebTan SedarebiT.
– 2020 weli qveynis umaRlesi sakanonmdeblo organos arCevnebis welia. mmarTvelma partiam, sxva politikur subieqtebTan SeTanxmebiT, arCevnebis axali modeli SemogvTavaza. ramdenad misaRebia igi demokratiuli qveynis mSeneblobis gzaze?
– Cven axla gardamaval etapze varT, bunebrivia, es garkveuli siaxlea saqarTvelos politikur cxovrebaSi, Tumca evropis mraval qveyanaSi msgavsi procesi didi xania warmatebulad gaiares. cudi modeli araa, magram ramdenad moergeba es modeli saqarTvelos, amas dro gviCvenebs.
– amomrCevels isev moqmed saxelisuflebo partias, `erTian nacionalur moZraobasa~ da mis satelit `evropul saqarTvelos~ Soris uxdeba arCevanis gakeTeba. ar Cans sxva Zala, romelic maT politikur sarbielze winaaRmdegobas gauwevs. . .
– saarCevno teqnologiebis TvalsazrisiT, arCevnebis dros rac meti konkurencia da politikuri Zalaa, miT ukeTesia amomrCevlisTvis – meti arCevanis saSualeba eqneba. arCevnebamde jer sakmaod didi droa da ar aris gamoricxuli, rom axali Zalac gamoCndes.
– ra faqtorebma ganapiroba opoziciuri deputatebis mier 8 martis SeTanxmebis kiTxvis niSnis qveS dayeneba?
– am SeTanxmebis Sedegia is, rom momavali mowvevis parlamentSi partiuli siiT 77-is nacvlad 120 deputats airCeven, maJoritari ki 73-is nacvlad mxolod 30 iqneba. aseve, opozicia da xelisufleba SeTanxmdnen e.w. 40%-iani Camketis SemoRebaze, rac imas gulisxmobs, rom politikuri Zala, romelsac 40%-ze naklebi mxardaWera eqneba, parlamentSi ki moxvdeba, magram mTavrobis dakompleqtebas ver SeZlebs. es principi dRevandeli gadasaxedidan ratomRac aRar moswonT, Tumca arafers amboben imaze, rom Tu partias parlamentSi mosaxvedrad mosaxleobis 5%-is mxardaWera sWirdeboda, axali modeliT erTprocentiani barieris gadalaxvac sakmarisia.
– ramdenad realuria am etapze SemoTavazebuli kvlevebi?
– yoveli kvleva damkveTis interess emsaxureba. ramdenad realuria esa Tu is kvleva, arCevnebi aCvenebs.
– rogor fiqrobT, mmarTveli partiis liderebs sakuTari saqmianobis sjeraT Tu amomrCevlis imedi aqvT?
– amomrCevels rom endo, jer sakuTari Tavis unda gjerodes.
