,,თუ მგლები თავს ესხმის, ფერმერს შეუძლია მოკლას, მაგრამ მაშინვე დარეკოს 153-ზე”
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nadiroba da Tevzaoba miswrebaa gaZvirebuli produqtebis fonze
axali koronavirusis pandemiis periodSi mosaxleobam soflebs miaSura, produqtebis gaZvirebasTan erTad ki gaxSirda saubrebi nadirobasa da Tevzaobaze. mouTmenlad elian sezonis dawyebis TariRis gamocxadebas da sanadiro kvotebis dadgenas saxeobebis dRiuri normebis mixedviT. igive mdgomareobaSi arian meTevzeebic.
saintereso aRmoCnda monadireTa klubis saitze Sesvla, romelic ar gamoirCeoda uxvi informaciiT, Tumca ramdenime frazam Semafiqriana. Sevecdebi, ucvlelad gadmogceT monadireTa mokle frazebi:
`ex, iseTi piri uCans am yvelafers bolo wlebidan gamomdinare, rom momavali kerZo meurneobebisaa. es aucilebelia, rom nadir-frinvelma iarsebos, ara marto adgilobrivma, aramed – gadamfrenmac. . . nadirisTvis xom miswrebaa kerZo savargulebi, Torem sajaroSi Zalian cudi situaciaa da yvelaferi mkveTrad klebulobs – faunac da florac, xe-tyis umowyalo Wra midis WalebSi, mimxedavi aravinaa da arc iqneba kai xani, sanam ekonomikuri siduxWirea qveyanaSi… da kidev
sxva faqtorebic~. . .
`egrea, Tu xelovnurad ar gamravlda xoxobi, kakabi, gnoli, ise araferi eSveleba. bunebrivi aRwarmoeba ver eweva moTxovnebis raodenobas~. . .
`dasavleT saqarTveloSi yovel RamiT, samsaxuriviT midian fanrebiT tyis qaTmis dasaxocad. rogor uZlebs kidev eg sacodavi frinveli~. . .
`iseTi uazro sezoni, rogorc SarSan iyo, me ar maxsovs~. . .
vfiqrob, saintereso iqneba visaubroT saqarTvelos biomravalferovnebis SenarCunebasa da regulaciebze, romelic bunebaSi nadiroba-Tevzaobas ufro met SezRudvas uwesebs. gTavazobT intervius garemosa da bunebrivi resursebis dacvis saministros garemosdacviTi zedamxedvelobis departamentis biomravalferovnebis dacvis samsaxuris ufrosTan maia CxobaZesTan.
– qalbatono maia, ukanonod nadirobasTan dakavSirebiT, brakonierebi gvaxsendeba. maTi mxridan Tu yofila iaraRis da Zalis gamoyenebis SemTxvevebi da rogor upirispirdebian am kriminalebs Cveni uiaraRo reinjerebi?
– samwuxarod, ukanonod nadirobis da TevzWeris bevri faqti gvaqvs, rac Seexeba reinjerebs da iaraRis tarebas, Tavisi wesi aqvs da zogierTs ar aqvs amis ufleba. Cveni samuSao riskis Semcvelia. ara mxolod ukanono nadirobisa Tu Tevzaobisas, tyis Wris drosac rom daadgebian Tavze moqalaqes da sisxlis samarTlis danaSaulSi amxelen, isini instiqturad cdiloben, iaraRis gamoyenebiT, xelidan dauZvrnen garemos damcvelebs, agresias gamoxataven maT mimarT. cxadia, yofila Setakeba, romelic mxareTa daSavebiT dasrulebula, magram imdenad didia Cveni garemosdamcvelebis motivacia, rom yvelafers akeTeben am mimarTulebiT. aqve isic minda vTqva, rom iaraRis tarebis ufleba garkveul kategorias aqvs.
– fermerebi uCivian SaSvebis, CxarTvebis, mglebis momravlebas. cxadia, am Citebis mtacebelTan erTad moxsenieba Rimilis momgvrelia, Tumca ise anadgureben mosavals, rom male maT winaaRmdeg oficialurad amxedrdebian fermerebi. nebadarTulia SaSvebze da mglebze nadiroba?
– ara, ar aris daSvebuli nadiroba SaSvze, CxarTvsa Tu mglebze.
– Citebs Tavi davaneboT, magram mglebs ra vuyoT? Cems biZaSvils, ozurgeTis midamoebSi, RamiT swored mglebi daesxnen Tavs.
– Cven varT garemosdamcvelebi, magram Tu nadiri isea momravlebuli, rom safrTxes uqmnis adamianis janmrTelobas an mis qonebas (mosavals, pirutyvs), maSin SesaZloa gadavxedoT akrZalvebs. Cvens saxelmwifoSi adamianis uflebebi dgas pirvel planze. garemosac vicavT adamianisTvis, misi janmrTelad cxovreba-moRvaweobisTvis. amitom, aucileblobis SemTxvevaSi, mosaxleobas SeuZlia mimarTos municipalitets gareuli cxovelebis daregulirebis moTxovniT. sityva `daregulireba~, am SemTxvevaSi, mokvdinebas niSnavs. Tavis mxriv, municipaliteti mimarTavs saministros da isic miscems uflebas monadireebs, garemodan `amoiRon~ garkveuli raodenobis nadiri anu moklas ori-sami Tu sulac 10 mgeli.
– mxolod mimarTva da Txovna uSvelis saqmes? ra qnas adamianma, Tu mgeli im wuTs esxmis Tavs da ar aqvs peticiebis weris dro?
– es unda moxdes saTanado Seswavlis da kvlevebiT dasabuTebis Semdeg. ra Tqma unda, Tu mglebi Tavs esxmian kerZo meurneobebs, SeuWames fermers Zroxebi, cxvrebi Tu Txebi da Svilebi dautoves mSieri, mas SeuZlia moklas igi, magram unda darekos 153-ze.
– Tu ar dareka?
– Tu ar dareka – darRvevaa, xolo Tu daafiqsira, maSin regulirebaSi CaeTvleba da aranairi sasjeli ar daemuqreba. piriqiT, miva Cveni TanamSromeli, Seiswavlis viTarebas da mokluli cxoveli ganadgurdeba. am RonisZiebis arsi imaSi mdgomareobs, rom Tuki nadiri kacs Tavs daesxa da mokles, aucileblad unda ganadgurdes. amiT gamoiricxeba mglis qurqis sarealizaciod gamoyeneba, raTa ar davuSvaT precedenti da sxvebma ar gamoiyenon igive xerxi cxovelebis umizezod dasaxocad. yvela tyis nadirs Tavisi daniSnuleba aqvs da maTi bunebidan dauzogavad amoRebiT dairRveva ekosistema, romelic mTel garemos aerTianebs.
– yvelam xom ar icis cxeli xazis es nomeri?
– visac iaraRi da misi gamoyenebis ufleba aqvs, yvelam icis, ra da rogor gaakeTos. maTTvis ucxo ar aris es regulaciebi da arc garemosdacvis samsaxuri, radgan swored Cveni saitebidan gebuloben nadiroba-Tevzaobis sezonis dawyebas da saTanado kvotebs – ramdeni frinvelis monadirebaa nebadarTuli da sad ramdeni Tevzis daWeraa SesaZlebeli.
– aqac SezRudvebia dawesebuli?
– ra Tqma unda, cifrebs isev da isev specialistebi adgenen, raTa minimaluri ziani miadges bunebas, floras da faunas. wels, agvistos meoTxe SabaTidan iwyeba nadiroba (adre mesame SabaTi iyo, gadaiwia vada), romelic grZeldeba 1 martamde. am sezonis gaxsna-daxurvis vadebis dadgena da SeTanxmeba xdeba samecniero organoebTan.
– romel frinvelebzea daSvebuli nadiroba?
– gadamfren frinvelebze. es frinvelebi arc erTi qveynis sakuTrebas ar warmoadgens, magram yvela im qveynis dacvis da zrunvis sagania, romelsac gadaifrenen. ase rom, maT yvelaze metad icaven. aqedan gamomdinare, saqarTvelos xeli mowerili aqvs sxvadasxva xelSekrulebaze, romlis Tanaxmadac, valdebulia, gansakuTrebulad daicvas es frinvelebi. SemuSavebulia maTi dacvis meqanizmebi, maT Soris, pirvelia vadebi, meore – dRiuri limiti TiToeul frinvelze, mesame – saxeobebi. Tqven rom axseneT SaSvebis momravleba, kvlevas ar daudasturebia maTi populaciis im doneze gazrda, rom dauSvan masze nadiroba. aqve aRvniSnav, rom vadebi, sazRvrebi da saxeobebi dadgenili da gawerilia. aranairad ar SeiZleba nadiroba qalaqebis administraciul sazRvrebSi. mis gareT ki, daSvebulia. magaliTad, Woroxis delta Tu Semodis baTumis administraciul sazRvrebSi, iq nadiroba ar SeiZleba.
– qalbatono maia, ra SezRudva moqmedebs mdinare aWariswyalze Tevzaobisas?
– aWariswyali saoragule da sazuTxe mdinareebis CamonaTvalSi Sedis, am tipis mdinareebze ki saqarTvelos mTavrobis mier dadgenili `TevzWerisa da Tevzis maragis dacvis teqnikuri reglamenti~ moqmedebs. masSi gansazRvrulia TevzWeris wesebi, ra unda gaiTvaliswinon Tevzis Weris dros, rodisaa daSvebuli TevzWera, sad da a.S. am reglamentis mixedviT, qveynis mTel teritoriaze arsebul saoragule da sazuTxe mdinareebSi, wlis nebismier dros, akrZalulia sarewao mizniT TevzWera, mxolod samoyvarulo da sportuli TevzWeraa daSvebuli.
– ras niSnavs saoragule da sazuTxe mdinareebi da ras gulisxmobs samoyvarulo da sportuli TevzWera?
– saoragule da sazuTxe is mdinarea, romelic Sav zRvas uerTdeba. am saxis mdinare bevri gvaqvs, maT Sorisaa mdinare aWariswyalic Tavisi SenakadebiTa da ganStoebebiT. am tipis mdinareebSi daSvebulia mxolod sportuli da samoyvarulo TevzWera, rac xorcieldeba ankesiT, spiringiT, xorxi-badiT, Cogan-badiTa da sasroli badiT. mniSvnelovania da gasaTvaliswinebeli isic, rom reglamentiT gansazRvrulia aRniSnuli bade-iaraRebis parametrebi. magaliTad, Sida wylebze `TviTsatyuaraTi~ eqvsze meti da satyuaraTi samze meti nemskavis gamoyeneba akrZalulia, mdinare aWariswyalze da yvela mis SesarTavTan 300 metris manZilze daSvebulia #8 nemskavis gamoyeneba. Cogan-badis da xorxi-badis gamoyeneba ar SeiZleba, Tu misi diametri – sigrZe an sigane 1,2 metrs aRemateba da badis Tvlebis zoma 20 milimetrze naklebia; dauSvebelia sasroli badis gamoyeneba, Tu misi diametri 4,5 metrze metia da Tvlis zoma 20 milimetrze naklebia. ar SeiZleba erTma moyvarulma meTevzem Tevzaobisas erTdroulad erTze meti saTevzao iaraRi gamoiyenos.
– am parametrebis darRvevis SemTxvevaSi ra sajarimo sanqcia tardeba?
– `TevzWerisa da Tevzis maragis dacvis teqnikuri reglamentis~ darRveva administraciul pasuxismgeblobas iTvaliswinebs, sajarimo sanqciebTan erTad dgeba garemoze miyenebuli zianis sakiTxi. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu ukanonod mopovebuli TevzWeriT gamowveuli ziani 2000 lars aRemateba, sisxlis samarTlis pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi dgeba. sisxlis samarTlis sakiTxi im SemTxvevaSic dgeba, Tu adamiani eleqtroSokuri aparatiT akrZalul drosa da akrZalul adgilze Tevzaobs. maqsimalurad unda Seikavos mosaxleobam Tavi TevzWeris wesebis darRvevisgan. Tu vinme SeamCnevs samarTaldarRvevis faqts, gvacnobon departamentis cxeli xazis nomerze – 153. zari yvela mobiluri operatorisTvis ufasoa.
– vin amowmebs, ramdenad kanonierad xdeba mdinareebze Tevzis mopoveba?
– garemos dacvis zedamxedvelobis departamenti. kontroli xorcieldeba riskebis SefasebiTac, sad ra cxeli wertilebi gvaqvs. Tu aris faqtebi dafiqsirebuli, magaliTad, konkretul mdinareze, SesarTavTan an konkretul adgilze, departamentis mobiluri jgufebi patrulireben. SeiZleba departamentSi Semovides Setyobineba rogorc werilobiTi, aseve satelefono. nebismieri Setyobineba, maT Soris socialuri qseliT gavrcelebuli informacia, mowmdeba. udidesi mniSvneloba eniWeba mosaxleobis CarTulobas, droulad rom mogvawodon informacia.
– sad aris cxeli wertilebi mTian aWaraSi mdinare aWariswyalze?
– cxeli wertili cvalebadia, Sesabamisad, konkretuli adgilis Tqma SeuZlebelia. cxeli wertili SesaZloa iyos zRvasTan saoragule an sazuTxe romelime mdinaris SesarTavi, an mdinaris romelime adgili, sadac ukanono Tevzaobis ramdenime faqtia gamovlenili.
– soflis patara mdinareebze vrceldeba Tu ara `TevzWerisa da Tevzis maragis dacvis teqnikuri reglamentiT~ gaTvaliswinebuli moTxovnebi?
– Sida wyalsatevebSi TevzWeraze dadgenilia konkretuli moTxovnebi ara mxolod wylis obieqtis, aramed am mdinareebSi arsebuli Tevzebis dacvis mizniTac. saqarTvelos saoragule da sazuTxe mdinareebi, oragulisebrni da zuTxisebrni daculni arian ara mxolod saqarTvelos wiTeli nusxiT, aramed araerTi saerTaSoriso konvenciiT. rac Seexeba sxva mdinareebs, Sida wyalsatevebSi akrZalvebi imis mixedviT aris, Tu ra tipis Tevzia gavrcelebuli da rodis aris misi qviriToba.
– ras urCevdiT moyvarul meTevzeebs da monadireebs?
– maqsimalurad daicvan TevzWeris da nadirobis wesebi, es ar aris rTuli. wesebis dacviT Tu iTevzaveben an inadireben, ar Semcirdeba Tevzis da nadir-frinvelis maragi. garemosdacviTi departamentis mizani mxolod dajarimeba ar aris. Cveni mizania mosaxleobis informireba, prevenciuli RonisZiebebis gatareba, rom ar dafiqsirdes samarTaldarRvevis faqti.