ზაალ მიქელაძე: ჩემი გამოცდილების საკანონმდებლო ორგანოში გამოყენება უფრო გამართლებული იქნება
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aWaris janmrTelobis da socialuri dacvis ministrma zaal miqelaZem, romelic politikurma gaerTianebam `qarTuli ocneba – demokratiuli saqarTvelo~ qobuleTis maJoritari deputatobis kandidatad waradgina, 1 agvistos datova Tanamdeboba. Tu rogor apirebs `saxalxo ministrad~ wodebuli kandidati saarCevno kampaniis warmarTvas, ra gaakeTa saministroSi da ra poziciebi ukavia qarTul
politikaSi, amaze gvesaubreba interviuSi
– maJoritaruli olqebi gaerTianda, romeli municipalitetebis teritoriebi Semodis Tqvens olqSi?
– axal saarCevno sistemaze gadasvlasTan dakavSirebiT, mTeli qveynis masStabiT 78-is nacvlad iqneba 30 samaJoritaro olqi, aqedan aWaraSi – sami. adre qobuleTis olqSi Sedioda cixisZiramde mcxovrebi amomrCeveli. axla SeuerTda Caqvi da maxinjauri, romelic baTumsaa mierTebuli da xelvaCauris municipalitetSi Semavali maxinjauris nawili, sofel ganTiadis CaTvliT.
– gacilebiT meti amomrCeveli geyolebaT, vidre Tqvens winamorbedebs. rogor fiqrobT, dagidgebian isini mxarSi?
– miWirs adamianebis amomrCevlad miCneva, radgan bevri cudad igebs amas. CemTvis yvela Cveni moqalaqeebi arian. ra vqna, ase micxovria da ar vapireb wesis da urTierTobebis Secvlas. arasodes gamirCevia adamianebi erTmaneTisgan erovnuli niSniT Tu mrwamsiT, miT umetes, politikuri SexedulebebiT. amitom aqve vacxadeb, ar Seicvleba Cemi damokidebuleba im moqalaqeebis mimarT, romlebic mxars ar damiWeren arCevnebSi.
– batono zaal, `qarTuli ocnebis~ umravlesobaSi mosvlis dRidan, Tqven jer aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaSi gamoCndiT, axla ki sakanonmdeblo organoSi gadasvlas apirebT. rogorc eqimi, sad ufro saWirod miiCnevT Tavs?
– sakanonmdeblo organo imitom kompleqtdeba sxvadasxva specialobis warmomadgenlebisgan, rom zogs sagareo saqmeebSi aqvs gamocdileba, sxvas – soflis meurneobaSi da a.S. me, rogorc samedicino, socialuri sferos da dasaqmebis eqsperti, Cems xalxs ufro gamovadgebi sakanonmdeblo organoSi, radgan dasagegmi da SesamuSavebelia mokle Tu grZelvadiani proeqtebi, romelic saqarTvelos mTel mosaxleobas waadgeba, Tuki is sworad iqneba gaTvlili. me gaviare gza soflis eqimidan anu pirveladi jandacvidan – ministrobamde, gaverkvie da Seviswavle bevri ram, Camomiyalibda garkveuli xedva, rac gamoadgeba ara mxolod erT politikur gunds, aramed mTel qveyanas. politika SeiZleba dRes ar fasobdes Cvens sazogadoebaSi, magram faqtia, rom saTanado sakanonmdeblo aqtebis gareSe ver SevqmniT iseT demokratiul, moqnil da saWiro sistemas, romelic saqarTvelos sul sxva doneze gaiyvans.
– postidan Tqveni gadadgoma bevrs ar gaxarebia, radgan ratomRac Tvlian, rom aRmasrulebel organoSi metis gakeTeba SeiZleba, vidre parlamentSi.
– roca saqmis keTeba ginda, yvelgan imuSaveb – soflad, qalaqSi, maRal Tanamdebobaze Tu rigiTi moxelis rangSi. aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaSi Cemi SesaZleblobebis realizebis unikaluri Sansi momeca, radgan araCveulebriv, profesionalTa gundTan erTad vimuSave. ramdenime weliwadSi 6 milionidan 29 milionze avida aWaris janmrTelobisa da socialuri dacvis saministros biujetis dafinanseba. cxadia, mosaxleobis gazrdil moTxovnebs samedicino servisis kuTxiT, gacilebiT meti Tanxa sWirdeba, rac miviReT kidec mTavrobis uSualo xelSewyobiT. aucilebeli iyo programebis Sedgenisas gagveTvaliswinebina xalxis survili, sworad gagveTvala programebi, gagvewera Tanxebi da ukve amoqmedebuli proeqtebi isev mosaxleobis momsaxurebisTvis gamogveyenebina. Tu gadaxedavT bolo wlebis Cvens angariSebs, naxavT, ramdenad Seicvala ara mxolod samedicino, socialuri mimarTulebiT amoqmedebuli programebic. maT Sorisaa ufaso sacxovrisiT dakmayofilebis programa, romelic erT-erTi yvelaze Zvirad Rirebulia. Tumca, es mosaxleobis realuri mxardaWeraa. ase Soridan imitom daviwye, rom raRac resursi am mimarTulebiT, romelic gamaCnda, praqtikulad gamoviyene. vfiqrob, Cemi gamocdileba gamoadgebaT sakanonmdeblo organoSi.
– ramdenad SesZlebs saministro Tqven mier dasaxuli kursis gagrZelebas Tqven gareSe?
– amxela saqmes marto verafriT movereodi. nino niJaraZe da saministroSi dasaqmebuli profesionalTa Zlieri gundi Zalian bevrs SesZleben. am adamianebTan erTad siamovnebiT gaviare ministrobis wlebi. is gamocdileba, rac maTgan miviRe, gamomadgeba parlamentSi, Tuki, Cemi moqalaqeebis mxardaWeris SemTxvevaSi, iq movxvdebi. kidev erTxel vimeoreb, Sevecdebi, mosaxleobis yvela moTxovnas da survils globaluri xasiaTi mivce, movaqcio sakanonmdeblo CarCoSi da ukve kanonad davabruno maTi da maTi Svilebis sakeTildReod. parlamentSi xom Tavs iyris qarTveli xalxis neba-survili, romelic Cveni mTavrobis upirvelesi kanonia.
– Tu SeiZleba, gaixseneT is programebi, Tqveni ministrobis dros rom amoqmedda. . .
– esaa transplantaciebi, rogorc RviZlis, ise Zvlis tvinis. Cven gavbedeT Sesvla am programaSi didi resursebiT. iciT, albaT, rom erT SemTxvevaze 100 aTas lars vaZlevT moqalaqeebs am servisis dafarvisaTvis. aman xeli Seuwyo, jer erTi, adamianebis gadarCenas da meore – am specialobis gaZlierebas. saxelmwifos mxardaWera rom ara, transplantaciis mimarTuleba ver ganviTardeboda qveyanaSi. Tuki gadaxedavT statistikas, darwmundebiT, rom adre keTdeboda erTeuli operaciebi, axla ki daiwyo konkurencia. qirurgiuli Carevis xarisxmac moimata da gadarCenili sicocxlis raodenobamac.
– onkologiis dafinansebac Tqvens dros daiwyo.
– onkologiis sferoSi gamowvevebi axlac aris, miuxedavad imisa, rom saxelmwifo did resurss debs, kerZod, 15 aTas lars qirurgiul CarevaSi da aseve 15 aTass – qimio da sxivuri Terapiis SemTxvevaSi. miuxedavad amisa, Tanagadaxdis principiT pacientis mier gadasaxdeli Tanxa mainc didi rCeboda. amitom viTaveT Tanagadaxdis dafinanseba. amJamad, aWaraSi registrirebulebisTvis ufaso gamodis onkologiur daavadebaTa mkurnaloba. daviwyeT 5 aTasiT, Semdeg gaxda – 10 000, wels ki Tanadafinansebis gadaxdas vfaravT 15 aTasi lariT. cvlileba Sevida Semdegi wlis biujetSic da ukve 20 aTasi lari daemateba Cvens moqalaqeebs `sxva medikamentebis~ TanadafinansebiT SesaZenad, romelic sakmaod Zviria erTeul SemTxvevaSi.
– kidev ra axali programebi amoqmedda?
– gafantuli sklerozis medikamentur kurss vafinansebT. rTuli revmatoiduri arTritis nevrologiuri medikamentebiT mkurnaloba calkeul SemTxvevaSi aRwevs 25 aTas lars. mTeli es dafinanseba aWaris jandacvis saministrom aiRo Tavis Tavze. dRes medicina Zalian swrafad viTardeba. maRalteqnologiuri kvlevebi, finansurad didi tvirTia mosaxleobisTvis. amitom, aWaris SemTxvevaSi, Cven mTlianad davafinanseT ara mxolod kompiuteruli tomografia, magnitorezonansuli, angiografiuli kvleva, aramed peti, romlis erTi gadaReba 3 aTasi la-ria (PEpet kate, anu pozitron-emisiuri tomografia, birTvuli medicinis kvlevis meTodia, romelic ualternativoa kibos diagnostirebaSi).
– Tu SeiZleba, am kvlevis Sesaxeb mokled rom gviTxraT?
– sadReisod, es kvleva (pet kate) oqros standartia onkologiaSi, romlis Sedegic TiTqmis 36%-iT cvlis mkurnalobis taqtikas. pozitron-emisiuri tomografia maRalteqnologiuri, kombinirebuli produqtia, radgan sistema erTdroulad ori kvlevis – pozitron-emisiuri tomografiisa da kompiuteruli tomografiis Catarebis SesaZleblobas iZleva, Sesabamisad, sabolood ori umniSvnelovanesi kvlevis monacemTa Sejameba xdeba. aRsaniSnavia, rom simsivnis diagnostirebis dros aRniSnuli meTodiT simsivnis gavrcelebis yvelaze zusti anatomiuri da funqciuri gamosaxuleba, suraTi miiReba. pozitron-emisiuri tomografiiT sruladaa SesaZlebeli umciresi zomis simsivnis aRmoCena. dameTanxmebiT, albaT, msgavsi kvlevis dafinanseba uaRresad mniSvnelovania Cveni onkologiurad daavadebuli pacientebisTvis. kidev rom gavagrZeloT, Zalian didi interviu gamogviva, radgan Tundac reabilitaciis programebis amoqmedebiT pirvelebi viyaviT qveynis masStabiT.
– davubrundeT saarCevno Temas, rogor SeafasebdiT danarCen or kandidats, romelic aWaridan waradgina `qarTulma ocnebam~?
– pirvel rigSi, minda davafiqsiro mTavari mocemuloba – partia wavida swori gziT, rodesac maJoritarobis kandidatebi SearCia ara mxolod partiuli mosazrebiT, aramed farTo sazogadoebis gamokiTxviT, rac iyo sxvadasxva modelze dafuZnebuli. Seiswavles mosaxleobis azri, damokidebuleba, TiToeuli kandidatis reitingi da mxolod amis Semdeg miiRes gadawyvetileba. amaSi yvela darwmundeba, vinc axlos ar icnobda da saarCevno kampaniiT gaicnobs am adamianebs. piradad me sxva sferoSi vsaqmianobdi da resan konceliZesTan ar mqonia xSiri urTierToba, magram roca kanonze, samarTalze, patiosnebaze iyo Cvens qalaqSi laparaki, mudmivad mesmoda es saxeli da gvari. axla nacnobobis sul mokle periodi gvakavSirebs. CemTvis marTlac aRmoCena iyo, rom kandidatebs regionebSi Turme profesionalebi arCeven. didi STabeWdileba moaxdina am adamianis akademiurma ganaTlebam, romelic calke Temaa. batoni resanis ramdenime leqcia movismine CemTvis sul sxva Temaze, magram imdenad profesionalurad warmarTa mTeli saubari, rom Zalian iolad aRviqvi yvela azri. maSin davrwmundi, rom resan konceliZe namdvilad saWiroa parlamentSi, radgan bevri sakanonmdeblo iniciativis avtori iqneba baTumelebis swori arCevanis SemTxvevaSi.
– anzor bolqvaZeze ras gvetyviT?
– batoni anzori cota ufro adre gavicani. simarTle giTxraT, gamikvirda misi saqmianoba, radgan ver warmomedgina deputati, romelic ase detalurad flobda informacias praqtikulad yvela ojaxze. man kargad icis maRalmTianeTSi romel komls ra uWirs rogorc socialuri, ise samedicino kuTxiT, maTi daavadebebis nozologiebi, survilebi, dafinansebis wyaroebi. yvela Sexvedraze am adamianis CanTaSi ido ramdenime aseuli moqalaqis e.w. samedicino forma asi. CemTan, rogorc specialistTan, modioda da mekiTxeboda dafinansebisTvis saukeTeso gamosavals. maSin mivxvdi, ramdenad rTulia deputatis, Tan maJoritaris cxovrebis da muSaobis reJimi. minda aRvniSno, anzor bolqvaZe am reJims warmatebiT arTmevda Tavs. rodesac municipalitetebSi mivdiodiT, xalxisgan yvelaze meti madloba mesmoda batoni anzoris misamarTiT. am adamianebs axlac aqvT mis mimarT madlierebis grZnoba da darwmunebuli var, isini saarCevno yuTTan gamoxataven TavianT pozicias.
– swored deputatis samuSao reJimze minda gkiTxoT, ojaxi rogor Sexvda Tqvens kandidatobas?
– mTavrobis am gadawyvetilebas Cemi ojaxis yvela wevri aRfrTovanebiT Sexvda-meTqi, ver vityvi, magram erTi ram icodnen yovelTvis – me Tu rodisme bodiSi momixdia rame Cemi qmedebis gamo, yvelaze meti patieba Cemi ojaxisTvis miTxovia, iseTi reJimiT miwevda cxovreba, rom arc erTxel ar momeca Sansi, Tundac ramdenime dRiT damesvena col-SvilTan erTad. ise wamovedi saministrodan, rom ar vici, ra aris sityva `Svebuleba~. aqedan gamomdinare, minda vTqva, rom adamiani am gzas irCevs Segnebulad, saqmis keTebis mZafri Sinagani surviliT. es survili ar gamiCndeboda, Cem ukan ojaxi rom ar idges. rodesac did velze gadixar didi saqmis sakeTeblad, Tu ojaxSi simZime da problemebia, is saqme ar gamogiva. calke Temaa, rom isini Zalian tkbilad, Sewyobilad mRerian da rogori daRlilic unda mivide saxlSi, erTi gemrieli qarTuli simRera mixsnis yvela daZabulobas.
– batono zaal, rame konkretuli kanonproeqtic geqnebaT SemuSavebuli parlamentSi warsadgenad. iqneb gagvandoT?
– samomavlo gegmebze jer ar vapireb saubars. sadac mimuSavia, yvelam icis, rom var gunduri moTamaSe da am principis ganuxreli damcveli. calkeuli idea, ra Tqma unda, maqvs, magram sanam es ar Sejerdeba, manamde arc erTi iniciativis gaJRerebas ar vapireb.
– `ocnebis qalaqis~ mSenebloba, rogorc vici, ar SeCerebula kovidsituaciis gamo
– diax, iyo ramdenime strategiuli proeqti, romelic gagrZelda. es iyo siRrmiseuli problema, romelic aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomarem da qveynis premierma saukeTeso gziT gadaWres da swor, logikur dasasrulamde miva.
– ras etyodiT amomrCevlebs?
– Cems moqalaqeebs, albaT, bevrjer mivmarTav, Tumca visargebleb am SemTxveviTac. maT kargad ician Cemi cxovrebis gza, ician, rogori iyo zaal miqelaZe – pediatri, maTi ojaxis, maTi dazRvevis eqimi, maTi ministri. iseTive viqnebi kanonmdebelic. araferi Seicvleba Cems moqalaqeebTan urTierTobaSi. maTi yovelTvis mesmoda da arasodes, cxovrebis arc erT etapze araferi gamikeTebia iseTi, rasac ver gamigebdnen. rodesac orive mxares erTmaneTis esmis, iq yvela problema gvardeba.
– warmatebas gisurvebT, batono zaal, Tqveni cxovrebis axal etapze.
