,,ქართული ჯარის მომავალი ნატოს წევრობაშია”
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qedis municipalitetis sofel gegeliZeebs qveynis mosiyvarule da amagdari adamianebi ar aklia. maT Sorisaa qarTuli jaris polkovniki roman sanikiZe. igi Cveni gazeTis stumaria.
– batono roman, ram ganapiroba qarTul jarSi Tqveni samsaxuri?
– samSoblos siyvarulma, adamianurma Rirebulebebma, im patriotulma suliskveTebam, romlis CamoyalibebaSi didi roli ojaxma Seasrula, magaliTis momcemi mamaCemia, romelic samaCablos omis veterania. maxsovs, rogor ganicdida mamaCemi afxazeTisa da samaCablos dakargvas. vxedavdi Zlier gulistkenasa da wuxils im adamianis saxeze, romelic CemTvis misabaZi pirovneba iyo. swored maSin davisaxe miznad, memsaxura qarTul jarSi, raTa Svilebs erTian saqarTveloSi ecxovraT. asakis matebasTan erTad vaanalizebdi, rom qarTul jars sWirdeboda axali Sevseba, axali ideologiuri midgoma, Tanamedrove xedva, radgan jari cocxali organizmia da mas mudmivad sWirdeba ganaxleba. gaviTavise, rom yvelaferi, rac manamde arsebobda, iyo moZvelebuli da gadavwyvite, mTeli SemarTebiT meSroma, meswavla rogorc Cems qveyanaSi, aseve ucxoeTSi. 2008 wlis ruseT-saqarTvelos omis veterani var. mimZims imis atana, rom Cveni qveyana kvlav rCeba rusuli okupaciis pirobebSi, jer kidev ver mivaRwieT teritoriul mTlianobas, Tumca qveynis Tavdacvis Zalebma Cveni saamayo jariskacebis profesionalizmiTa da erTiani SemarTebiT, didi nabijebi gadadges Tavdacvis kuTxiT msoflio masStabiT. amas aRiarebs saerTaSoriso sazogadoeba, dasavluri samyaros yvela politikosi Tu maRali rangis samxedro xelmZRvaneli, visTanac Cvens jariskacs umsaxuria misiis farglebSi. kaci imediT cocxlobs, mec imedi maqvs, rom Cemi Svili aleqsandre sanikiZe gaizrdeba iseTi vaJkaci, SeiZleba, samxedro mosamsaxurec, romelic SeZlebs rogorc mTeli qveynis, aseve Cveni ojaxis survilis axdenas qveynis gamTlianebis kuTxiT da Tavis wvlils Seitans qveynis aRmSeneblobis saqmeSi.
– gegeliZeebel sanikiZeebs Tavis droze saamayo gqondaT, rom Tqveni gvaris Rirseuli Svili Soreul aRmosavleTSi erT-erTi avtonomiuri respublikis aviaciis ministri iyo. . .
– mSobliuri gegeliZeebi, romelic gamorCeulad miyvars, ganebivrebulia gamoCenili adamianebiT. rac Seexeba Rirseul pirovnebas, aw gansvenebul baton zaqro sanikiZes, man komunistur epoqaSi, Soreuli aRmosavleTis erT-erT olqSi, rigiTi mfrinavidan transportisa da aviaciis ministrobamde miaRwia, ra Tqma unda, is CemTvis iyo magaliTis da stimulis momcemi. man daamtkica, rom Tavisuflad SesaZlebelia patara sofelSic iswavlos adamianma da iq miRebuli ganaTlebiT gza gaikvlios mwvervalebisken, amasTan ar dakargos sakuTari identoba. marTebuli iyo, rom misi gardacvalebis Semdeg, anderZis Tanaxmad, is sofel gegeliZeebSi davkrZaleT. meamayeba, rom Cemma naTesavma, ucxo miwaze, ucxo adamianebs keTili saqmeebiT Tavi daamaxsovra.
– qarTuli armiis moqmedi polkovniki xarT da erT-erTi maRali Tanamdeboba gikaviaT, am postamde ra gza gamoiareT?
– wels damoukidebeli saqarTvelos Tavdacvis Zalebs 28 weli Seusrulda, me ki ukve 24 weli Sevasrule, rac qarTul jarSi vmsaxurob. qarTul armiasTan erTad vizrdebodi, masTan erTad gavdivar rTul, magram saamayo gzas, vemsaxurebi Cveni moqalaqeebis, qveynis keTildReobas da mis usafrTxoebas, ra Tqma unda, 24 weli saTqmelad Zalian advilia, magram drois am monakveTSi Taoba izrdeba da icvleba samyaroc, rac axlebur xedvebsa da moTxovnebs saWiroebs. mec vcdilobdi, yvela gamowvevaze adekvaturi reagireba mqonoda. Cemi pirveli samxedro saqmianoba da karierac 1996 wels daiwyo, rodesac Caviricxe gaerTianebuli samxedro akademiis samxedro sazRvao fakultetze kursantad. 5 wlis Semdeg warmatebiT davasrule da miviRe leitenantis wodeba. samxedro saqmis siyvarulma da erTgulebam, adamianebis mimarT pativiscemam SemaZlebina, rom dRemde Rirseulad gamevlo es gza. CemTvis, rogorc qarTveli oficrisTvis, warmatebis nomer pirveli sazomi aris adamianuri urTierToba – simarTlesa da ndobaze dafuZnebuli.
– albaT, samSvidobo misiebSi monawileoba da saintereso epizodebis gaxseneba ar gagiWirdebaT?
– misiebSi monawileoba erT-erTi umniSvnelovanesia Cems saqmianobaSi. orjer vimsaxure avRaneTSi. mamacobasa da SeupovrobasTan erTad udides fsiqologiur da emociur mdgradobas moiTxovs misiaSi yofna, radgan iq myofi TiToeuli qarTveli jariskacis saqcieli metyvelebs Cveni qveynis kulturasa da Rirsebaze. qarTveli jariskacebi amiT gamorCeulebi arian. rac Seexeba saintereso epizods, erTs gamovyofdi, romelic naTlad asaxavs saerTaSoriso sazogadoebis mxridan Cveni qveynis ndobas. batalionis meTauri gaxldiT erT-erT misiaSi, rodesac koaliciuri Zalebis meTaurebis dajildoebaze mimiwvies. amerikelma generalma jon tomsonma gaakeTa gancxadeba, rom is apirebda 3 Rirseuli meTauris dajildoebas. momaqvs citata: `pirveli iqneba yvelaze saukeTeso, romelsac piradad me gadavcem jildos~… da saCvenebeli TiTi Cemsken gamoiSvira. rTulia, gadmogceT is emocia da sixaruli, romelic maSin ganvicade, magram ufro moulodneli iyo Semdgom ganviTarebuli movlenebi. zogadad yvela jildos axlavs brZaneba, romelsac jildos gadacemis win dabali rangis oficeri kiTxulobs, am SemTxvevaSi generalma Tavad waikiTxa brZaneba CemTvis jildos gadmocemis Sesaxeb, Semdeg gamovida darbazis SuaSi da mec mimiwvia. batoni generali iyo kavaleriis qvedanayofidan. kavaleristebis erT-erTi mniSvnelovani jildoa egreT wodebuli dezebi oqrosa (misiebSi is gaicema) da vercxlis ferebSi, romelic fexsacmelze magrdeba. generali daixara da Tavad damimagra dezebi. es iyo Cemi samSoblos, Cemi ojaxis wevrebis, mSoblebis dajildoeba, romlebmac SeZles qveynisTvis Rirseuli Svili aRezardaT. aseTi momentisTvis namdvilad Rirs Sromac da sicocxlec. minda vusurvo qarTul jars, yovelTvis amayad etarebinos Cveni qveynis droSa da Sors gaetanos qveynis saxeli.
– TiToeuli qarTveli jariskacisa da oficrisTvis mkacri gamocda iyo 2008 wlis agvistos omi. . .
– agvistos omi Cveni uaxlesi istoriis yvelaze mtkivneuli movlenaa. sabrZolo moqmedebisas samaCablos regionSi viyavi. . .
– rogor afasebT qarTul jarSi wvrTnisa da momzadebis im meTodebis danergvas, romelsac natos wevri qveynebi gvTavazoben?
– Tavidanve aRvniSne, rom Cveni qveynis damoukideblobis dRidan, qarTul jars da mis pirad Semadgenlobas ar Seuwyvetia ganviTareba da siaxlis Zieba, raSic didi wvlili Seaqvs Cvens strategiul partniors – amerikis SeerTebul Statebsa da natos wevr qveynebs. Cveni jaris momzadeba gansakuTrebulad warmoCnda samSvidobo misiebSi monawileobis dros. natos mxardaWeriT gavdivarT saqarTvelos Tavdacvis programas, romliTac Cveni qveyana ufro daculi da stabiluri xdeba.
– erTi nabiji grCebaT brigadis generlis Cinamde, romel qveynebsa da ra saswavleblebSi gaiareT wvrTnisa da momzadebis kursebi da rogor iyenebT iq miRebul gamocdilebas qarTul jarSi?
– yvela kursi amerikis SeerTebuli Statebisa da evropuli qveynebis samxedro saswavleblebSi gaviare, romelic Tvisobrivad natos jarebis taqtikis identuria. rac Sexeba gamocdilebis da codnis gamoyenebas, es Cemi saqmianobis yoveldRiurobaSi aris asaxuli da qarTuli jaris ganviTarebas emsaxureba.
– Tqveni cxovrebis megzuris saqmianobaze ras gvetyviT?
– Cemi meuRle, xarauleli asmaT maxaraZe, policiis vice-polkovnikia. amJamad Tbilisis erT-erTi raionuli policiis sammarTveloSi muSaobs gamomZieblad. ojaxis tvirTi masze gadadis. SemiZlia vTqva, rom Cems warmatebaSi lomis wili mas ekuTvnis. misi xelSewyobiT meZleva saSualeba, Cemi codna da gamocdileba movaxmaro qarTuli jaris aRmSeneblobas. oriveni keTil da Rirseul saqmes vemsaxurebiT.
– Svilebis profesiis arCevaSi Tu CaereviT?
– jerjerobiT 13 wlis aleqsandre kargi swavliT da discipliniT gvixarebs guls, vnaxoT, momavali ras gviCvenebs. SevecdebiT, Svilebs profesiis arCevisas Tavisufleba mivceT, CvenTvis umTavresia, Rirseuli moqalaqeebi aRvzardoT.
– Tavdacvis saministros axlandeli xelmZRvaneloba mniSvnelovan reformebs atarebs. rogor gesaxebaT qarTuli jaris momavali?
– amJamad qarTul jarSi aRmSeneblobaa. axlandeli ministris xelmZRvanelobiT, pirvel rigSi, gansakuTrebuli yuradReba eqceva jariskacs, mis keTildReobasa da socialuri pirobebis gaumjobesebas. formas da fexsacmels, romlebic dRes qarTul jars aqvs, natos wevri qveynis jariskacic inatrebda. aRarafers vambob imaze, rom mTlianad remontdeba arsebuli infrastruqtura. qarTuli jaris momavali natos wevrobaSia, rac, Cemi Rrma rwmeniT, Cvenma jarma ukve didi xania daimsaxura saerTaSoriso misiebSi TanamonawileobiT.
