ლადო მგალობლიშვილი: ოპოზიციაში მყოფი ადამიანების უმრავლესობას არანაირი ღირებულებები არ გააჩნია, მაგრამ ვისაც გააჩნია, ერთმანეთისგან რადიკალურად განსხვავდებიან
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saarCevno maraTonma starti arc Tu ise didi xnis win aiRo da finiSamdec didi dro ar rCeba. politikuri temperaturac dRiTi dRe matulobs. saerTaSoriso respublikurma institutma ivnissa da ivlisSi Catarebuli sociologiuri kvlevebis Sedegebic gamoaqveyna, romlis mixedviT amomrCevlis ganwyoba erTgvarad gamoikveTa kidec.
saerTaSoriso respublikuri institutis kvlevis Tanaxmad, `qarTuli ocnebis~ reitingi 33 procentia, `nacionaluri moZraobis~ -16, `evropuli saqarTvelos~ – 5, strategia `aRmaSeneblisa~ da `patriotTa aliansis~ – 3-3 procenti, `leoboristebis~, `samoqalaqo moZraobis~, `lelosa~ da `girCis~ – 2-2 procenti. kvlevis mixedviT maRalia jer kidev gadauwyveteli amomrCevlis ricxvi, romelic 50 procents Seadgens. swored es kontingentia opoziciis mTavari samizne, Tumca, cal-calke ramdenad moaxerxeben am kategoriis amomrCevlis darwmunebas, rom gadawyvetileba maT sasargeblod miiRon, es ukve arCevnebis Sedegebis Semdeg gvecodineba. amasTan, opoziciis mcdelobis miuxedavad, gaerTianeba mainc ver SeZles politikurma partiebma. – yvela maTganma sakuTari maJoritarobis kandidati waradgina.
– opoziciis amocana iyo – erTiani siiT warmsdgariyvnen amomrCevlis winaSe da amiT teqnikuri umravlesoba moepovebinaT, magram mocemul realobaSi es rTuli amocanaa da verc Sesrulda, – ambobs aWaris umaRlesi sabWos umravlesobis deputati lado mgalobliSvili da dasZens, rom miuxedavad imisa, sociologiur kvlevebs didad ar endoba, saerTaSoriso respublikuri institutis axlaxan gamoqveynebuli kvleva garkveul suraTs warmoaCens da es aris is, rom arc erT opoziciur Zalas ar aqvs xelisuflebaSi dabrunebis da reintegraciis Sansi.
– opozicias erTaderTi gza darCa – procesebis radikalizacia da arCevnebis Semdgom Tqvan, rom Sedegebi aralegitimuria, amiT ki Seecadon fons gasvlas, anu ufro revoluciuri scenaris momxreebi arian. sazogadoeba dameTanxmeba, dRes saqarTveloSi namdvilad ar aris revoluciuri ganwyoba. mosaxleobis raRac nawili SeiZleba arsebuli mdgomareobiT kmayofili ar aris, magram vfiqrob, saxelisuflebo gunds xalxis meti mxardaWera aqvs, vidre opozicias. amitom arCevnebze maT gamarjvebis Sansi ar aqvT.
– batono lado, opoziciis erToba yalbi iyo? raRac doziT xom SeTanxmdnen saerTo kandidatebze.
– opoziciaSi myof adamianebs aranairi Rirebulebebi ar gaaCniaT, magram isini visac Rirebulebebi gaaCnia, erTmaneTisgan radikalurad gansxvavdebian. amitom maTi erTad yofna da gaerTianeba SeuZlebeli iyo. magaliTad, deklarirebulad `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ da `evropuli saqarTvelo~ amboben, rom prodasavluri Zalebi arian, Tumca es rom farsia, yvelam viciT. isini ufro putinis meTodebs iyeneben saqmianobaSi, vidre dasavlurs. nino burjanaZe rusul politikazea orientirebuli. amitom, aseTi gansxvavebuli ideologiis partiebi erTian siaSi ver warmomidgenia.
– `evropuli saqarTvelo~ Tavis droze `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ nawili iyo da maTi erTmaneTisadmi mxardaWerac gasagebia, Tumca daviT baqraZis bolo dros gakeTebul gancxadebebs aramxolod `nacionaluri moZraobis~ mxridan mohyva komentarebi. daviT baqraZes saakaSvilis, adeiSvilis da merabiSvilis non gratad gamocxadeba bevrma dauwuna.
– am or partias Soris sxvaobas ver vxedav. maTi muSaobis meTodologia da qcevis wesebi erTnairia. axla isini erTmaneTSi situacias gaamwvaveben, rac `evropul saqarTvelos~ ufro aZlevs xels. `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~ da `evropul saqarTvelos~ erTi da igive amomrCeveli hyavs. amitom, `evropuli saqarTvelo~ Seecdeba xmebis warTmevas da Sesabamisad, meti mandatis miRebas. es taqtika aqvs mas, Tumca, darwmunebuli var, politikur doneze erTmaneTs ar gaemijnebian. Sida kinklaobaa, rogorc vTqvi, xmebis wasarTmevad.
– anu, mxolod xmebis warTmevis survils unda mivaweroT daviT baqraZis gancxadebebi?
– diax. `evropuli saqarTvelo~ cdilobs `nacionalur moZraobaze~ ganawyenebul amomrCevels daanaxos, rom maTgan raRaciT gansxvavdeba. amitom akeTebs `nacmoZraobasTan~ afilirebuli saxeebis winaaRmdeg gancxadebebs. Cven adrec mogvismenia maTgan urTierTkritika, magram ZiriTad starategiul sakiTxebze erTmaneTis gverdiT dgebian. giga bokeriasa da mixeil saakaSvils Soris gansxvavebas ver vxedav ideologiaSi. es aris orad gayofili erTi partia. kinklaoba male dasruldeba da kvlav erTad gaagrZeleben politikur Tanacxovrebas.
– daviT baqraZem agvistos omTan dakavSirebiT xelmoweril evrosabWos rezoluciaze saubrisas Tqva, rom dokumentSi kompromisi iyo da Tu vwerT, rom ruseTi okupantia, raRacaSi unda vaxsenoT qarTuli mxaris pasuxismgeblobac. . .
– agvistos omi damoukidebeli saqarTvelos istoriaSi qarTuli diplomatiis yvelaze didi marcxi iyo. rezoluciaSi weria, rom saqarTvelom gaufrTxileblad dabomba mZinare qalaqi. `nacionaluri moZraobis~ delegaciam evrosabWoSi rezolucias mxari dauWira da daeTanxma am formulirebas. diplomatiuri marcxi iyo es Tu erovnuli interesebis Ralati, ufro samoqalaqo sazogadoebis Sesafasebelia. me rom im dros evrosabWos delegaciaSi vyofiliyavi, mxars ar davuWerdi iseT dokuments, sadac weria, rom saqarTvelom daiwyo omi. amis sapirwoned roca mohyavT, rom Turme rezoluciaSi weria – ruseTi okupantia, arafers niSnavs. es yvelaferi ki imas niSnavs, rom `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~ da `evropul saqarTvelos~ aranairi saxelmwifoebrivi azrovneba ar gaaCniaT da yvelaze didi saxelmwifoebrivi interesi rezoluciiT daTmes. am adamianebis xelisuflebaSi yofna safrTxis Semcvelia da ver da ar unda dabrundnen, imitom, rom mzad arian saqarTvelos strategiuli interesebi umotivaciod, yovelgvari brZolis gareSe daTmon.
– fiqrobT, rom arc erTmaneTis sasargeblod moxsnian kandidaturebs?
– gamovricxav, erTmaneTis an sxva opoziciuri partiebis sasargeblod aseTi ram gaakeTon. mixeil saakaSvilis mTavari devizia, rom xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg brZolaSi lokomotivi aris `nacionaluri moZraoba~. is aravisTan kompromiss ar ganixilavs. `evropul saqarTvelos~ es xels ar aZlevs da `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ qolgis qveS darCebian is partiebi, romlebsac damoukideblad arCevnebSi monawileobis resursi ar gaaCniaT. es awyobs `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~, rom Tqvan – erTiani Zlieri opoziciuri fronti Seqmnes.
– `leiboristuli~ partia ras izams?
– calke gava, radgan batoni naTelaSvilisTvis arCevnebSi monawileoba erTgvari biznesia. Sedegi, rasac iRebs wlebis ganmavlobaSi, sabiujeto dafinansebisTvis yofnis, razec aqvs ojaxis keTildReoba awyobili. mas aranairi bloki xels ar aZlevs, icis, rom ar aris `ganwiruli~ xelisuflebaSi mosasvlelad da, Sesabamisad, ibrZvis Tavisi 3-4 procentis da sabiujeto dafinansebis misaRebad.
– giorgi vaSaZeze ras ityviT? isic xom Tavis droze saakaSvilis gundis wevri iyo? mas ra Sansi aqvs oqtombris arCevnebSi?
– giorgi vaSaZe sakmaod ambiciuri pirovnebaa Tavisi SesaZleblobebidan gamomdinare da misi uflebaa, iyos ambiciuri, magram premier-ministrobaze gancxadeba araseriozulia. mis strategiaSi raRac saintereso aris, Tundac eleqtronul mmarTvelobasTan dakavSirebiT, magram is 2 procentze mets ver aiRebs arCevnebSi da Sesabamisad, 2-procentiani partia verc premier-ministrs daasaxelebs.
– sakmaod aqtiuradaa CarTuli saarCevno maraTonSi `leloc~.
– axali politikuri gaerTianebaa. ar viciT, eleqtoralurad ra SesaZleblobebi gaaCnia, Tumca resursi aqvs, radgan xelisufleba ar ereva saarCevno procesebSi da Zalebis mosinjvac SeuZlia. `lelos~ Sansebzec vityvi, rom xelisuflebaSi mosaxvedrad araa `ganwiruli~.
– giorgi gaxarias bolodroindeli iniciativa opoziciam winasaarCevno kampaniad Seafasa.
– daxmarebebis gacema gazafxulze daviwyeT, saWiroebebidan gamomdinare – pandemiam ekonomikuri krizisi Seqmna da am dros xalxs unda daexmaro. arc pandemia gamqrala da arc ekonomika gajansaRebula ise, rom xalxs daxmareba ar sWirdebodes. im logikiT, ra logikiTac opozicia apelirebs, nebismieri saxelisuflebo aqtivoba mosyidvad unda CavTvaloT da araferi gavakeToT.
– opozicia ambobs, rom kovid 19-is fondSi soliduri Tanxebi Semovida, Tumca xalxs ar xmardeba. . .
– ramdenadac vici, swored kovid 19-is fondSi Semosuli Tanxebidan gaicema daxmarebebi. meti SesaZlebloba rom iyos, ufro mets daexmareboda xelisufleba mosaxleobas.
– `qarTuli ocneba~ saarCevno sias jerac ar asajarovebs. vin SeiZleba vixiloT masSi?
– ar miyvars zedapiruli da trafaretuli saubari. ar var siis formirebis procesSi CarTuli da, Sesabamisad, vin SeiZleba iyos siaSi, verafers getyviT. garkveulwilad, yovel arCevnebze aris ganaxlebuli sia, ase iqneba albaT axlac.
– minskis movlenebis kargad damaxsovrebisken mouwodebs saqarTvelos xelisuflebas moqalaqeTa nawili. . .
– belarusSi mimdinare aqciebi qveynis Sida sakiTxia da mTavaria, iq gamoxatvis Tavisufleba yvelas hqondes. ar unda moxdes cudi Careva, danarCeni maTi gadasawyvetia. protestis gamoxatvis ufleba ar unda aukrZalon adamianebs. suverenuli saxelmwifoa da ver CavereviT mis Sida saqmeSi. xelisuflebas warmovadgen da am sakiTxze ufro metis Tqmisgan Tavs Sevikaveb.
– rogori iqneba saarCevno garemo saqarTveloSi?
– baTumSi seqtemberi xaverdovania, amaze yvela vTanxmdebiT. aseTive xaverdovani iqneba saarCevno garemoc, aranairi Careva da Zaladoba ar iqneba. yvela politikur Zalas SesaZlebloba eqneba, Tavisi programa amomrCevlamde miitanos. politikuri temperaturis awevis mcdeloba eqneba opozicias, magram Cven maT amis SesaZleblobas ar mivcemT. saarCevno kampania warimarTeba mSvid garemoSi da ara ise, rogorc maT sCveviaT. rasac Tavad akeTebdnen 2012 wels, aseTi ram namdvilad ar iqneba. arCevnebi Catardeba mSvid garemoSi.
