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giorgi kirTaZe, `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ baTumis organizaciis Tavmjdomare, partiam aWaris umaRlesi sabWos maJoritari deputatobis kandidatad waradgina. igi baTumis sakrebulos Tavmjdomare iyo 2010-2013 wlebSi. saxelisuflebo partiidan misi konkurenti soflis meurneobis moqmedi ministri tite aroSiZea.
umaRles sakanonmdeblo organoSi maJoritari deputatobis kandidatad `nacmoZraobam~ levan varSalomiZe daasaxela, romelic ukve aWaraSi Camovida da jer sakarantino sivrceSia. misi mTavari konkurenti `qarTuli ocnebidan~ resan konceliZea.
rogor warmarTavs giorgi kirTaZe winasaarCevno kampanias, ras fiqrobs `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ arCevnebSi gamarjvebis SesaZleblobaze, levan varSalomiZis kenWisyris Sedegebze, mixeil saakaSvilis saqarTveloSi dabrunebaze da saerTod, gaerTianebul opoziciasa da partiis konkurentebze, masTan dRevandeli interviudan SeityobT.
– Tavis droze levan varSalomiZem uari Tqva aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputatobaze, axla ki Camovida kenWis sayrelad, isev daTmobs sakuTar adgils parlamentSi, Tuki gaimarjvebs?
– imas, rac moxda wina arCevnebze, hqonda konkretuli mizezi. levan varSalomiZe aq Camovida, raTa winasaarCevno kampaniaSi CarTuliyo, ukrainaSi datova ori maRali Tanamdeboba, amiT yvelaferi naTqvamia. igi sxva qveyanaSi muSaobis da cxovrebis miuxedavad, yovelTvis aqtiurad adevnebda Tvalyurs da CarTuli iyo saqarTveloSi mimdinare politikur procesebSi. ukve mesame dRea baTumSia. 10 dRe kidev am uazro karantinSi yofna mouwevs, Semdeg daiwyebs winasaarCevno kampanias da darwmunebuli var, arCevnebis pirvelive turSi gaimarjvebs.
– ra gaZlevT pirvelive turSi aWaris mTavrobis yofili Tavmjdomaris gamarjvebis uryev imeds? levan varSalomiZes `qarTuli ocnebis~ sakmaod avtoritetuli kandidati resan konceliZe daupirispirdeba, Tu ar CavTvliT sxva partiebis kandidatebs. . .
– garwmunebT, levan varSalomiZe pirvelive turSi miiRebs xmaTa umravlesobas, radgan 2012 wlis Semdeg gansakuTrebiT kargad gamoCnda, ramxela samuSaoebi Caatara man mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris postze yofnis periodSi. yvelam davinaxeT, ra gaakeTa Cveni kuTxisa da qalaqisTvis. am xnis ganmavlobaSi `qarTuli ocneba~ ver asaxelebs Tavidan bolomde _ dawyebul da dasrulebul ramdenime proeqtsac ki. amboben, investiciebi movizideTo, sinamdvileSi binaTmSeneblobis da qalaqis betonis junglebad gadaqcevis garda araferi ukeTebiaT. swored amis fonze, Cveni Tanaqalaqelebi gaarCeven Savs TeTrisgan da xmas miscemen imas, vinc es realurad daimsaxura. amitomac mimaCnia, rom levan varSalomiZe upirobo favoritia am politikur dapirispirebaSi.
– ar SemiZlia, ar gavixseno is Secdomebi, ris gamoc Tavis droze mosaxleobam zurgi Seaqcia xelisuflebaSi maRali reitingiT mosul politikur Zalas.
– Secdomebi iyo, aravin uaryofs, magram isic faqtia, rom cdeba is, vinc realur saqmes akeTebs. aqve aRvniSnav, `nacmoZraobis~ im Secdomebze, romlebic daSvebuli iyo marTlmsajulebasa da sasamarTlo sistemaSi, yvelaze naklebi pasuxismgebloba ekisreba swored levan varSalomiZes.
– sakuTar kandidaturaze ras fiqrobT, ramdenad gaqvT umaRlesi sabWos deputatobis Sansi?
– Cemi mxardamWerebis imedi maqvs. aqac darwmunebuli var, upirobod gavimarjveb. am gancxadebiT mxolod Cems pirovnebas ar vusvam xazs, ubralod, yvelam kargad dainaxa, rom `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ is politikuri Zalaa, romelsac ZaluZs qveynis kolafsidan gamoyvana da misi marTva. sxvadasxva braldebis miuxedavad, mxolod Cven gvendoba xalxi. es ioli gadasamowmebelia Cveulebrivi gamokiTxviT. SeekiTxeT sakuTar nacnobebs, romeli politikuri Zala urCevniaT? analogiur pasuxs miiRebT.
– ras gvetyviT gaerTianebul opoziciaze, aq xom is politikosebic arian, romlebic adre Tqveni partiis mowinaaRmdegeni iyvnen, ramdenad endobiT erTmaneTs?
– biZina ivaniSvilma SeZlo gansxvavebuli politikuri Sexedulebebis, erTmaneTis mowinaaRmdege partiebis gaerTianeba sakuTari personis winaaRmdeg. is, rom nino burjanaZe zis CvenTan erTad magidasTan, kargad metyvelebs, rogor aimxedra yvela da ra ganwyobaa mmarTveli gundis mimarT. yvelas aerTianebs biZinas politikidan erTxel da samudamod wasvlis survili. yvela xedavs, rom misi mmarTvelobiT qveyana mieqaneba ufskrulisken. es ar aris litoni sityvebi, Cveni qveyana CaiZira korufciis, usamarTlobis, ganukiTxaobis da umoqmedobis WaobSi, saidanac erTaderTi gamosavali isev Cveni politikuri Zalis sarbielze dabrunebaa.
– opoziciam xeli moawera memorandums, romelic uzrunvelyofs yvela politikuri Zalis gaerTianebas arCevnebis gayalbebis winaaRmdeg, rogor daicavs es memorandumi xmebs, Tuki mmarTveli gundi sawinaaRmdegos moisurvebs?
– opoziciis TanamSromlobas aqvs gadamwyveti mniSvneloba, arCevnebis gayalbebis winaaRmdeg brZolaSi. Cven vaiZuleT maT, 8 martis SeTanxmebaze xeli moeweraT opoziciis konsolidirebuli poziciiT. swored aseTive TanamSromlobis meqanizmi unda CamovayalibebinoT arCevnebis gayalbebis kuTxiT. Tu yvela CaverTvebiT, SevZlebT, rom davicvaT xmebi. memorandumSi swored amazea saubari. aqve aRvniSnav, rom arcerTi opoziciuri partia `qarTul ocnebasTan~ koaliciuri mTavrobis Seqmnas ar apirebs. xelisufleba agrZelebs amomrCevlebis mosyidvas, daSinebas da sxvadasxva tipis manipulacias. winasaarCevno periodSi masTan raime dokumentis gaformeba SeuZlebelia opoziciuri speqtris mxridan. am yvelafris winaaRmdeg gacilebiT ufro mobilizebuli unda viyoT.
– Tu SeiZleba, davakonkretoT, rogor SeZlebT xmebis `dacvas~?
– amisTvis dagegmilia amomrCevlis xmebis dacvis saerTo Stabis Seqmna, sadac warmodgenili iqneba yvela opoziciuri partia, romelic monawileobs procesSi. es struqtura, SeimuSavebs da uxelmZRvanelebs yvela im RonisZiebas, romelic Tavidan agvaridebs arCevnebis gayalbebas da daicavs amomrCevlis xmebs. Stabi warmoadgens konkretuli RonisZiebebis nusxas, Tu ra unda gakeTdes amomrCevlis xmebis dasacavad. SemiZlia ukve giTxraT ori konkretuli nabijis Sesaxeb. erTi _ es aris partiebis saerTo monacemTa bazis Seqmna, sadac arCevnebis dRes aisaxeba yvela darRveva da meore _ es aris saerTo samoqmedo sakoordinacio meqanizmi, Tu rogor reagirebas moaxdenen partiebi am bazaSi asaxul darRvevebze. ukve SevTanxmdiT, rom qveynis masStabiT, maJoritarobis kandidatebis xmebis daTvla saerTo formatSi moxdeba.
– kidev raze SeTanxmdiT opoziciuri partiebi?
– erT-erTi SeTanxmebis mixedviT, mxari unda davuWiroT sasamarTlos da saerTod, marTlmsajulebis reformas. uSiSroebis samsaxurebi ar unda gamoiyenon arCevnebis mimdinareobaze zegavlenis mosaxdenad da politikuri oponentebis devnisTvis. am kuTxiT opoziciur partiebs Soris SeTanxmeba miRweulia da xelisuflebis cvlilebidan Zalian swrafad davinaxavT realur Sedegebs.
– gayalbebis meqanizmebze ra monacemebi gaqvT?
– ZiriTadi gayalbeba xdeba arCevnebamde, Tumca saarCevno biuletenebsac ar akleben xels. Tavidanve iwyeba SantaJi, muqara, mosyidva da a.S. amitomaa mniSvnelovani arCevnebSi monawile partiebis koordinacia. aqve kargad vacnobierebT, rom mTavari da gadamwyveti sityva Cvenma partiam unda Tqvas, vemzadebiT amisTvis. xelisuflebas ar unda mivceT kenWisyris Sedegebis gayalbebis saSualeba.
– mixeil saakaSvilis videomimarTvasTan dakavSirebiT, sadac is samSobloSi dabrunebaze saubrobs, irakli kobaxiZem aRniSna, rom misTvis es gancxadeba Rimilis momgvrelia da seriozul komentars ver gaakeTebs. Tqven ras fiqrobT am Temaze?
– mixeil saakaSvilis dabrunebaze rom irakli kobaxiZe akeTebs komentars, Rimilis momgvreli eg aris. man marTlac Seqmna Tanamderove qarTuli saxelmwifo, gaiyvana is saerTaSoriso orbitaze, daumkvidra saxeli ucxoeTis instituciebSi da aamoZrava qveynisTvis aucilebeli meqnizmebi, romelic dRemde inarCunebs Tavis qmediTobas da aqtualurobas. yvelas kargad axsovs, rogori qveyana CavibareT da rogori gadavabareT morig xelisuflebas, romelmac korufcia aayvava da usamarTlobis zeimi moawyo. amitomac migvaCnia aucileblad, rom adamianma, romelmac erTxel ukve Camoayaliba saxelmwifo, isev uSvelos qveyanas. am fonze, mixeil saakaSvilis did qarTul politikaSi dabrunebas, bunebrivia, Zalian dadebiTad vafaseb. imedi maqvs, igi sul male SemogvierTdeba saarCevno kampaniaSi.
– Tqven Cemze ukeT iciT, rom saakaSvili rogorc ki gadmokveTs saqarTvelos sazRvars, daiWeren, radgan mis winaaRmdeg sisxlis samarTlis pasuxismgeblobaa aRZruli…
– Cven isic kargad viciT, rom `Svid pijakze~ aRZruli saqmeebi biZina ivaniSvilis jibis mosamarTleebis mieraa SeTiTxnili. amaze seriozul komentars ver gavakeTeb.
– principSi es saqmeebi swored murusiZis da `nacionaluri moZraobis~ sxva aqtiuri `samarTaldamcvelebis~ mieraa aRZruli. es adamianebi, xom swored Tqvenma sistemam `Seqmna~?
– mec amas vambob, rom is Secdomebi, romlebic Cven davuSviT, `qarTulma ocnebam~ aitaca da ufro daamZima. pirvel rigSi, vgulisxmob sasamarTlo sistemis problemebs da murusiZes, romelic Cvens dros arCeviTi mosamarTle iyo, axla ki gaamudmives. imedi maqvs, qarTveli xalxi mixeil saakaSvils miscems saSualebas, gamoasworos rogorc es, ise sxva Secdomebi, raTa qveyana ganviTarebis axal, ufro Tanamedrove relsebze gadavides.
– mmarTveli partiis eqspertebi Tvlian, rom saakaSvils da varSalomiZes xmebis mxolod 12%-is aRebis Sansi aqvT, miuxedavad imisa, rom jer kidev meore adgili gaqvT reitingSi.
– bolo arCevnebis Sedegebi aviRoT. baTumSi, quTaisSi, rusTavSi, TbilisSi, foTSi, zugdidSi anu saqarTvelos yvela qalaqSi `qarTuli ocneba~ pirwmindad daamarcxa `erTianma nacionalurma moZraobam~. rac mkafiod daadastura saprezidento arCevnebis meore turis daniSvnam, romelsac me arCevnebs veRar vuwodeb, imdenad gayalbebuli iyo mTeli procesi.
– proporciuli sistemiT Catarebuli arCevnebi uzrunvelyofs koaliciur mTavrobas, ramdenad misaRebi iqneba TqvenTvis mmarTvelobis Sereuli modeli?
– amaSi cuds verafers vxedav. koaliciuri mTavroba evropisTvis kargad cnobili sistemaa. es saxelmwifoebi amiT viTardebodnen. Tu qarTveli xalxi gadawyvets, rom asea saWiro, ase unda iyos. marTlia, mmarTvelobis da sxvadasxva kanonproeqtis miRebisas, SesaZloa dapirispirebebi moxdes, magram msgavsi ram aucilebelia demokratiuli saxelmwifos swrafi ganviTarebisTvis. Tanac, darwmunebuli var, rom am mTavrobaSi didi wiliT iqneba warmodgenili `nacionaluri moZraoba~ da `Zala erTobaSia~.
– damoukidebeli deputati levan gogiCaiSvili Tvlis, rom `nacionaluri moZraoba~ winasaarCevno kampanias saakaSvilis mier naZarcvi fuliT awarmoebs. saidan iRebs Tqveni partia dafinansebas?
– 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi iZiebdnen saakaSvilis saqmeebs da 7 pijakis garda zedmeti veraferi upoves, maT Soris `naZarcvi fuli~. msgavsi ram rom aRmoeCinaT, rogor fiqrobT, aqamde gaCerebuli iqnebodnen? isic kargad ician, rom 2018 wlis arCevnebSi zedmetad erTi TeTric ar dagvixarjavs, xolo ivaniSvilma milionebi Cado. ra Sedegi davdeviT Cven da rogor `gaimarjva~ `ocnebis~ kandidatma, yvelam dainaxa. axlac ar gvaqvs imxela saxsrebi, rac ivaniSvils gaaCnia, magram isic icodeT, rom fuli ar wyvets arCevnebSi yvelafers, mTavari xalxis ndoba da mxardaWeraa, rasac yvela mxridan mudmivad vgrZnobT.
