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axalgazrda partia `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ baTumis olqSi parlamentis maJoritari deputatobis kandidatad 25 wlis irakli kupraZes asaxelebs. igi yvelaze axalgazrdaa kandidatebs Soris. partiis lider mamuka xazaraZis TqmiT: `irakli gaxlavT mebrZoli da yovelTvis dgas daCagrulis gverdiT. iraklis unda ukeTesi saqarTvelo, ukeTesi aWara, baTumi~.
ras gvTavazobs irakli kupraZe, ratom unda mivceT xma da ras fiqrobs opoziciis gaerTianebaze, _ am sakiTxebze igi dRevandel interviuSi gvesaubreba.
– opoziciis gaerTianebaze ra azris xarT, ramdenad SesaZlebelia sxvadasxva poziciaze mdgomi politikuri Zalebis erToba?
– opoziciis gaerTianebasTan dakavSirebiT, `lelos~ dafuZnebis dRidanve, anu maSinac, roca `moZraoba~ viyaviT, calsaxa pozicia gveWira. qveyana elodeba ori arsebuli politikuri polusis (`nacmoZraoba~ da `qarTuli ocneba~) alternativas. Sesabamisad, Tavidanve, rodesac mivusxediT opozicionerTa molaparakebis magidas, sadac ganixileboda proporciuli arCevnebis Tema, vmoqmedebdiT koordinirebulad da SeTanxmebulad. am sakiTxis nawilobriv mogvarebis Semdeg `lelom~ datova opoziciis gaerTianebis formati da TanamSromlobas mxolod da mxolod Tematuri mimarTulebebiT vagrZelebT. magaliTad, axlaxan SevuerTdiT erT-erT mniSvnelovan iniciativas – xmebis daTvlis memorandums, romelic demokratiuli arCevnebis princips icavs. yvelam kargad viciT, rogor baTildeba, yalbdeba arsebuli biuletenebi, rodesac inacvlebs erTi darbazidan meoreSi. am dros Zalian rTulia saarCevno biuletenebis gadaTvla da a.S. msgavsi sakiTxebi, romlebic dakavSirebulia samarTlianobasTan, arCevnebis demokratiulad CatarebasTan, mniSvnelovnad migvaCnia da vuerTdebiT opoziciis gaerTianebis formats. sxva mxriv, TanamSromlobis reJimSi ar SevdivarT, radganac migvaCnia, rom dRes `lelo~ amomrCevlisTvis yvelaze misaRebi alternativa, anu mesame Zalaa, rac TavisTavad niSnavs, rom ar Sedis aliansSi arc `nacionalebTan~, arc `ocnebasTan~, romelTa Secdomebsac kritikulad vafasebT. rig SemTxvevebSi es politikuri Secdomebi ki ara, danaSaulia, romelzec samarTlebrivi pasuxismgebloba unda daekisros mmarTvel Tu opoziciaSi gadasul partiebs.
– xsenebuli memorandumiT amomrCevlebs pirdapir ganucxadeT, rom SesaZlebelia arCevnebis gayalbeba, arada, wina arCevnebze ubnebSi mSvidad mimdinareobda procesi. mainc, ram mogcaT am braldebis sababi?
– gayalbeba mxolod saarCevno ubnebSi ar xdeba, demokratiuli principebi irRveva mis miRmac, rodesac adamianebs sTxoven, warmoadginon Semoxazuli biuletenis foto, socialurad daucvelebs ayvedrian daxmarebas da amowmeben, vis mices xma. araerTxel gvinaxavs, rom biuletenebSi miTiTebuli nomrebi Semoxazulia sxvadasxva formis geometruli naxazebiT (wris nacvlad samkuTxedi, xuTkuTxedi da a.S.), rac TavisTavad mianiSnebs damkveTTan angariSgebaze. gayalbebis msgavsi sqemebi ukve kargad aqvT SemuSavebuli, rac TavisTavad moiTxovs konkretul kvlevas. Cveni mizania, mosaxleoba davarwmunoT, rom saarCevno kabinaSi iqnebian martoni sakuTar TavTan da RirsebasTan, xolo daSinebis yvela mcdelobisgan daazRvevs opoziciuri partiebi.
– `demokratiuli moZraobis~ lideris nino burjanaZis TqmiT, opoziciis es Sekreba qveyanas aaridebs areulobasa da revolucias arCevnebis Semdeg. Tqvenc fiqrobT, rom aseTi safrTxe arsebobs?
– Tu `qarTulma ocnebam~ marTla Zalian mZimed imoqmeda, ra Tqma unda, destabilizacia iqneba, rasac aranairad ar mivesalmebiT, piriqiT, vcdilobT xelisuflebis Secvlas stabilurobis pirobebSi, radgan es erTaderTi gzaa, romelic Cvens qveyanas ganviTarebisken waiyvans. areulobis, darbevebis da revoluciebis fonze xelisuflebis Zalismieri gziT gadabareba, CvenTvis miuRebelia. demokratiuli procesiT vapirebT, mmarTvelobis saTaveebTan misvlas. yvelam viciT, rom qveyanaSi ganviTarebul politikur Tu saarCevno procesebs yoveldRiurad akvirdebian saerTaSoriso maRali rangis instituciebi. xSirad aqveyneben gancxadebebs kongresmenebi, evroparlamentarebi. darwmunebuli var, swored es adamianebi iqnebian imis garantorebi, rom kidev erTxel ar moxdes saqarTveloSi areuloba, romelic zians moutans ara mxolod mmarTvel gunds, aramed mTel qveyanas. destabilizacia angrevs ekonomikas, bizness, jandacvas da a.S. revolucias aravin miesalmeba, yovel SemTxvevaSi, `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~, romelic arCevnebis gziT cdilobs demokratiuli, samarTlebrivi saxelmwifos aSenebaSi daikavos lideris poziciebi. Aaucilebelia, saqarTvelos hqondes demokratiuli qveynis statusi, raTa SevZloT maqsimaluri raodenobis resursebis da investiciebis mozidva. xalxs xom axali samuSao adgilebis Seqmna sWirdeba da ara – siRaribe, Seumdgari qveynis statusi, sadac xelisuflebis cvlileba mxolod da mxolod revoluciebiTaa SesaZlebeli.
– `opoziciaSi imas ki ar cdiloben, rom eleqtorati moiZion, romelic dRes arCevanis gareSea darCenili. SigniT, Caketil sistemaSi mwiri eleqtoratis Tavisken gadaqaCva urCevniaT, anu erTmaneTSi sabnis gadaqaCvis operaciebiT arian dakavebulni~, – ase afasebs viTarebas politologi gia xuxaSvili. `lelo~ ra tipis amomrCevelze akeTebs gaTvlas?
– Cven ar veZebT mxardaWeras Sinaarsis gareSe, anu gvWirdeba ideuri Tanadgoma. gundSi Semogvyavs axali politikuri ideebis, axali energiis matarebeli da gamomxatveli adamianebi. swored aseTi pirovnebebiTaa dakompleqtebuli `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~. ana nacvliSvili, kaxa koJoriZe, grigol gegelia, saba buaZe da sxvani srulad gamoxataven am axal SemarTebas, romelic Seagulianebs amomrCevelTa im 55-60%-s, romelic aqamde meryeobda politikur arCevanSi. es is xalxia, romelic umetes SemTxvevaSi, saerTod ar midis saarCevno yuTebamde. Cven maT unda gavuCinoT gancda, rom qarTul politikur sivrceSi gamoCnda axali politikuri Zala, romelic mzadaa, gaxdes maTi problemebis gamxmaurebeli.
– `lustraciis kanoni iqneba pirveli, romelsac `lelo~ parlamentSi SesvlisTanave gaukeTebs inicirebas~, – acxadebs levan koberiZe. germaniaSi, poloneTSi, bulgareTSi aseTi kanonis miRebas, pirvel xanebSi, gansakuTrebiT didi raodenobis sajaro moxeleebis samsaxuridan gaSveba mohyva. ramdenad misaRebia es Cvens realobaSi?
– Tuki gvinda, rom davemSvidoboT sabWour warsuls da azrovnebas, xolo qveyana progresisken wavides imisaTvis, rom daerqvas yvelafers Tavisi saxeli da momavalma Taobebma SeZlon ukeTesi saqarTvelos Seneba, qveyanam iaros progresis gziT – lustraciis kanoni aris marTlac, dauyovnebliv misaRebi. kargad viciT, rom arqivebi gatanili da ganadgurebulia. isic unda gvesmodes, rom dRes ucxouri agentebis mier marTuli adamianebi sajaro sivrceSi oponireben, rogorc Cveni qveynis patriotebi, rasac erTxel da samudamod unda daesvas wertili, magram isic gasaazrebelia, kanonis amoqmedeba ar daemsgavsos `kudianebze~ gamocxadebul devnas, radgan devnaSi SesaZloa mohyvnen ojaxis wevrebi an saxelovnebo wreebis warmomadgenlebi. yvela faqti individualuradaa gansaxilveli.
– modiT, zogadi frazebis gareSe – ratom unda agirCion amomrCevlebma?
– `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ dResdReobiT yvelaze popularuli da realurad Zlieri politikuri Zalaa, gaaCnia gegmazomieri, praqtikuli programa, romelic pirdapiraa mimagrebuli qveynis ekonomikur gajansaRebasTan, axali samuSao adgilebis SeqmnasTan. Cven varT evropuli Zala, romelic saubrobs im evropul standartebze, raSic igulisxmeba garemos dacva, urbanuli ganviTareba, ganaTlebis saxelmwifos mier dafinanseba, Sromis kodeqsis amoqmedebiT dasaqmebulTa uflebebis dacva, kvebisa da sursaTis usafrTxoeba, sxvadasxva biznesseqtorebis ganviTareba, rac qveynis siZlieris mTavari garantia unda gaxdes. Cven SevZlebT mivaRwioT qveynis finansur-ekonomikur da energoresursebis damoukideblad moxmarebas. amisTvis gagvaCnia, rogorc programa, ise saTanado adamianuri resursebi da maTi mravalwliani gamocdileba.
– xelisuflebaSi yofnis gamocdileba?
– es ara, Tumca Cveni partiis xelmZRvanelebi da wevrebi didi xnis ganmavlobaSi aqtiurobdnen sazogadoebriv asparezze da aqvT mravalmxrivi codna, ganaTleba, kavSirebi da unar-Cvevebi sxvadasxva sferoSi, raTa profesiulad da samarTlebrivad marTon qveyana.
– Tqveni dakvirvebiT, ramdenad giWeren mxars aWaris amomrCevlebi?
– sakmaod aqtiuroben. CvenTan modian is adamianebi, romlebsac ar moswonT arsebuli xelisufleba da arc wina reJimis warmomadgenlebs wyaloben. isinic gvexmaurebian, romlebsac imedi gaucruvdaT sxvadasxva partiis aqtivobebiT. Zalian bevri modis universitetebidan, is axalgazrdebi, romlebic aqamde arc erTi partiis wevrebi ar yofilan. Cveni partiis karebi Riaa nebismierisTvis, romelsac sufTa reputacia da warsuli aqvs, Tanac monawileoba ar miuRia `qarTuli ocnebis~ da `nacionaluri moZraobis~ mZime danaSaulobebSi.
– `nacionaluri moZraoba~ – gasagebia, magram `qarTuli ocnebis~ ra mZime danaSaulebs gulisxmobT?
– imas, rom `nacionaluri moZraobis~ yvela danaSauli gaimeora. adre Tavad saubrobdnen sasamarTlo sistemaze – levan murusiZis da mixeil CinCalaZis klanur mmarTvelobaze, dRes ki es adamianebi maT uziT kabinetebSi da sasamarTloSi gaamudmives, Caabetones. Tu adre isini droebiTi iyvnen, axla, ivaniSvilis damsaxurebiT, gaxdnen mudmivi Wiri. Tu adre vakritikebdiT policiis, saerTod, Zalovani struqturebis politizirebas, amJamad kidev ufro politizirebulni gaxdnen. marto saraliZis saqme rad Rirs, romelmac sistema gaaSiSvla da dagvanaxa, rogor usamarTlod mimdinareobda gamoZieba. vnaxeT agreTve Tamar baCaliaSvilis saqmec, romelsac gamoZiebasac ver davarqmevT. . . an is faqtebi rad Rirs, rom `nacmoZraobis~ xelisuflebis periodSi gakeTebuli audio-videoCanawerebi axla gamovida asparezze. am danaSaulis gaxsna ar moxerxda, radgan ar arsebobda politikuri neba da im borotebas, rasac wina xelisufleba akeTebda, axla iyenebs `qarTuli ocneba~ politikuri oponentebis gasaSaveblad da gasanadgureblad.
– warmogvidgineT aWaraSi maJoritarobis kandidatebi Tqveni partiidan rogorc umaRles sabWoSi, ise parlamentSi.
– baTumis saarCevno olqSi kenWs viyri me, rogorc parlamentis maJoritarobis kandidati, xolo geno TebiZe – rogorc umaRlesi sabWosi. qobuleTSi – paata civaZe (parlamentSi), maRalmTianeTSi – jambul xozrevaniZe (parlamentSi), merab abaSiZe (umaRles sabWoSi). yvela es pirovneba sxvadasxva dros maRal Tanamdebobaze muSaobda. isini arian ganaTlebuli adamianebi, TavianTi saqmis profesionalebi, sazogadoebaSi uaRresad didi avtoriteti da sufTa warsuli aqvT.
– ras hpirdebiT aWaris amomrCevlebs?
– aucilebelia, axali strategiis SemuSaveba aWarisa da baTumisTvis, raTa, ara mxolod zafxulSi, wlis yvela sezonze iyos gamococxlebuli da saqmiani. amisTvis saWiroa, amoqmeddes bevri sawarmo, sadac dasaqmdebian rogorc qalaqis, ise municipalitetebis mcxovreblebi. unda ganviTardes zamTris da sxva saxis turizmi, romelic saSualebas mogvcems, mudmiv reJimSi miviRoT turistebi. Cven gvaqvs auTvisebeli potenciali rogorc soflis meurneobis, ise eqsportis kuTxiT. gavixsenoT mitovebuli Cais plantaciebi, gadaberebuli citrusis baRebi, is teritoriebi, sadac SesaZlebelia didi meurneobebis mowyoba, rogorc sanerge, ise sasaTbure da aucilebelia mecxoveleoba-mefrinveleobis ganviTareba. amisTvis miwis nakveTebi mravalwliani (40-50 wliT) ijariT unda gadaeceT soflis kooperativebs, romlebic SeZleben msxvili biznescentrebis mowyobas da amuSavebas. aseve, mniSvnelovnad mimaCnia rkinigzis SemovliT gzaze gadatanac (rogorc avtobani gakeTda sarfamde), romelic, sxva datvirTvasTan erTad, maxinjaurSi, Caqvsa da qobuleTSi axali samuSao adgilebis gaCenas uzrunvelyofs. rkinigzis gadatana mogvitans 10 miliardze met investiciebs, radgan igi Cexavs sanapiro zols da turistebisTvis mimzidveli adgilebi rCeba auTvisebeli da gamouyenebeli. Tuki es gakeTda, erTi xelis mosmiT gamdidrdeba iq mcxovrebi 40 aTasi adamiani. didi danaxarjebis miuxedavad, es proeqti gacilebiT mets miscems aWaras, vidre am mimarTulebiT aqamde gacemuli Tanxebi. mniSvnelovnad mimaCnia baTumis terminalis qalaqgareT gadatanac, radgan iqidan Semosuli arasasiamovno suni miuRebelia turistuli qalaqis imijisTvis da mavnea janmrTelobisTvis. Cveni porti unda gaxdes didi sakruizo gemebis navsayudeli, rac mTeli wlis ganmavlobaSi, turistebis SemodinebasTan erTad, Tavad am gemebze Cveni mosaxleobis dasaqmebasac Seuwyobs xels. cxadia, mTavaria, rom baTumi gaxdes sazRvao industriis centri, rasac TavisTavad mohyveba qalaqis ganaSenianeba, keTilmowyoba da gamdidreba.
– rac Seexeba azartul TamaSebs. . .
– kargad vxedavT, rom `igromania~ da saafTiaqo narkomania anadgurebs Cvens axalgazrdobas da maT ojaxebs. saafTiaqo narkomania unda moispos, xolo saTamaSo biznesi daibegros samarTlianad, gadasaxadebi unda gaizardos da nel-nela Canacvldes sxva industriiT. gadasaxadebi rom izrdeba, industria, bunebrivia, interess kargavs. baTumi unda gaxdes sazRvao servisebis centri, unda gadaiqces ara kazinoebis da saTamaSo gemblingis, aramed biznesis qalaqad. Cven unda ganvaviTaroT sazRvao lizingi, sazRvao arbitraJi, iuridiuli momsaxureba, gemTmflobelebs SevTavazoT registracia da, Sesabamisad, am servisebis miyidva kompaniebze. es aris Zalian didi industria. aseTi xedva iwvevs qalaqis absoluturad gansxvavebul pozicionirebas msoflio masStabiT.

