ლია კასპელაშვილი: ვცდილობ, აჭარას კერამიკის ინდუსტრია დავუბრუნო
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Cveni gazeTis stumaria baTumis #2 sajaro skolis xelovnebis maswavlebeli, amave skolis artstudiis da socialuri sawarmo `andamatis~ xelmZRvaneli, baTumis arqeologiuri muzeumis mecnieri TanamSromeli da amave muzeumis keramikuli saxelosnos xelmZRvaneli lia kaspelaSvili
igi aris Rirsebis ordenis kavaleri, prezidentis stipendiati pedagogiuri saqmianobidan gamomdinare, Seyvanilia saqarTvelos ganaTlebis xarisxis ganviTarebis erovnuli centris mier dadgenili keramikuli nawarmis specialistis profesiuli standartis SemuSavebis aTkacian jgufSi da am standartebis erT-erTi Tanaavtoria. 2015 wels imuSava aT saukeTeso keramikoss Soris teqnologiur universitetSi, aris `aramaterialuri kulturuli memkvidreobis qomagi~, saqarTvelos tradiciuli rewvis asociaciis wevri, saerTaSoriso festival `keramikis alqimiis~ damaarsebeli.
daibada TbilisSi. warmoSobiT ki qarTlidanaa. daamTavra Tbilisis mose ToiZis saxelobis samxatvro profesiul-teqnikuri saswavlebeli, Semdeg _ Tbilisis samxatvro akademia, orive keramikosis specialobiT. bevr rames umadlis qarTuli enisa da literaturis novator pedagog izo minaZes _ suliT xelovans, romelmac Seayvara ara mxolod qarTuli mwerloba, aramed xatvisa da xelovnebis mimarTac gauCina interesi, romelic poeziasTan da prozasTan sinTezuradaa Serwymuli. mama Zalian ganaTlebuli, amasTan, TviTnaswavli musikosi iyo. ambobs, rom niWi mamisgan gamohyva.
ufals emadliereba yvelafrisTvis, imisTvisac, rom maT skolaSi samxatvro skola gaixsna, sadac gamoikveTa misi niWi. skolis RonisZiebebSi lia yovelTvis saukeTesoTa Soris saxeldeboda. swored amitom urCies ToiZis samxatvro saswavlebelSi gaegrZelebina swavla. aqac SesaniSnavad swavlobda _ wiTel diplomze daamTavra. mis keramikosad Camoyalibebas swored saswavlebels umadlis, sadac udidesi gamocdileba miiRo. swavlis paralelurad, muSaobda erT-erT kerZo keramikul kombinatSi, misi eskizebiT ixateboda (Sebolili keramikiT) didi larnakebi `kaspelebi~, romelic TurqeTSic gahqondaT gasayidad. dRis pirvel naxevarSi swavlobda, meoreSi – muSaobda da ukve sakuTari Semosavali hqonda. saxlSi dedasac exmareboda saojaxo saqmeebSi da yvelafers aswrebda. saswavlebelSi warmatebuli swavlisTvis mose ToiZis saxelobis stipendia daeniSna, romelic maSin sakmaod didi Tanxa iyo – 80 maneTi. mama avad iyo da sixaruls ver faravda imis gamo, rom Svils aseT patara asakSi ojaxSi fuli Semohqonda. yvelaferma aman mas Sromis, brZolis, bevri winaRobis gadalaxvis unari, nebisyofa SesZina. Tanac ukve dabejiTebiT icoda, rom keramikosi gaxdeboda. roca umaRles saswavlebelSi Caabara, Tixas kargad `icnobda~ da am profesiis siyvarulic hqonda.
ambobs, rom akademiaSic gaumarTla. oTar muxigulis oTxkacian jgufSi aiyvanes, sadac misi momavali meuRle – baTumeli tariel tabaRuac aRmoCnda. mesame kursze gaTxovda . . . zRvac pirvelad maSin naxa. tarielTan erTad SesaniSnavi ojaxi Seqmna. hyavT ori vaJi. 26 wlis beqa tabaRua mSoblebis profesias gahyva, keramikosia, ufro metad skulpturebs qmnis. nikam samxatvro akademiis arqiteqturis fakulteti daamTavra da magistraturaSi Casabareblad emzadeba. erTi sityviT, ojaxSi yvela xelovania. Tumca aqve unda isic vTqvaT, rom ojaxSi sportsac gamorCeuli adgili uWiravs. beqas cxovrebaSi didi roli iTamaSa sportul samyaroSi kargad cnobilma babuam – Salva tabaRuam, romelic axla aWaris veteranTa sportis federacias xelmZRvanelobs da miuxedavad asakisa, dResac aqtiur sportul moRvaweobas eweva. swored babuas daJinebuli TxovniT Seiswavla beqam magidis CogburTi da sul male aWarisa da saqarTvelos araerTgzis Cempioni gaxda, aseve saprizo adgilebi daimsaxura araerT saerTaSoriso turnirzec.
lias da tariels studentobis dros SeeZinaT pirveli vaJi. meeqvse kursze (romelic maSin magistraturadac iTvleboda) iyvnen, roca sakuTari saxsrebiT SeiZines erToTaxiani bina. magram tariels mSoblebi baTumSi hyavda da… aq Camovidnen. male meore vaJic SeeZinaT. ufrosi Svili beqa meore sajaro skolaSi Seiyvana, romelic orad iyo gayofili. erTi sajaro iyo, meore _ elementaruli, sadac bavSvebi pirvelidan meeqvse klasis CaTvliT swavlobdnen. beqac aq Cairicxa. skolas rusudan kvaxaZe xelmZRvanelobda. lias, romelsac surda specialobiT emuSava, skolaSi studia gaexsna da bavSvebisTvis keramikis anbani eswavlebina, rusudan kvaxaZem erTi patara, `aWedili~ kari gauRo, romlis iqiT sardafSi Casasvleli kibe da patara oTaxi iyo. meuRles daxmareba sTxova, Tanxa isesxes da remonti daiwyes. kibeebi CaWres, daages iataki, kedlebi da kari SeRebes, fanjrebi Casves, fardebi dakides da . . . ase moawyves erTi saklaso oTaxi, romelic dRemde funqcionirebs. es iyo 2000 weli, anu maT moRvaweobas am skolaSi 20 wlis istoria aqvs. male moswavleebis ayvanis nebac darTes. skolaSi sami moswavle `ipova~, mere im bavSvebma megobrebi moiyvanes. ase moumravlda keramikis Seswavlis msurvelebi. sul male gamofenebze, saqalaqo RonisZiebebze skolam swored maTi namuSevrebiT isaxela Tavi. niWier da Sromismoyvare profesionals ideebs ra gamoulevs. pirveli sagranto proeqtic dawera, romliTac studiisTvis aveji SeiZines. im oTaxs ise uvlis, rogorc sakuTar saxls.
ra iswavleba qalbatoni lias studiaSi?
mTeli es wlebi ori mimarTulebiT muSaobda. erTi iyo inteleqtbiznesi, riTac ojaxSi Semosavali Sehqonda da meore, saqvelmoqmedo mimarTuleba – socialuri proeqtebi da programebi. axla skolaSi muSaobs artstudia da socialuri sawarmo `andamati~, sadac araerTi proeqti aqvs ganxorcielebuli, romlis farglebSi baTumis #26 sajaro skolaSi SSm pirebTan muSaobs. 2007 wels meore sagranto proeqti SeimuSava. erTxel skolaSi saqarTvelos ganaTlebis ministri rom estumraT, Tavisi mosazreba gauziara _ kargi iqneboda, bavSvebs skolaSi swavlis paralelurad xeloba SeeswavlaT. uari miiRo, Tumca Tve-naxevarSi, ministrisve organizebiT gamocxadda saskolo swavlebis paralelurad saxelobo swavlebis sagranto konkursi.
– qalbatono lia, gamodis, rom amas `biZgi~ Tqven mieciT?
– movides da miTxras, rom es ase ar aris. etyoba, mere `daujda WkuaSi~, Tumca niuansebi, rac me realurad ukeT vicodi, dadebiTi da uaryofiTi riskebi, sagranto proeqtSi arasworad iyo Cadebuli. am konkursis Sesaxeb bolo dRes gavige, magram mTeli Rame gavaTene, movaswari da gavimarjve. mere ganvaxorciele da davnerge kidec Cems skolaSi keramikis swavleba. me-10-12 klasebis bavSvebi kviraSi sami saaTi swavlobdnen, nawili _ keramikas, nawili _ qsovilebs. qsovilebSi davnerge sami mimarTuleba – Teqa, batika da gobeleni. pedagogad uniWieresi gogona nestan niJaraZe aviyvane. marTalia, is proeqti damTavrda, magram nestani TavisiTac axorcielebs saintereso proeqtebs. janmrTelobis gauaresebis Semdeg, Tavs didad ver vitvirTav, Tixaze muSaoba bevrs moiTxovs. am sagans (rogorc arCeviTs) aRar vaswavli, magram studia `andamati~ arsebobas ganagrZobs. bolo wlebSi mama Sio bavSvebs xeze kveTasac aswavlida. mere imdenma bavSvma moiwadina misi Seswavla, rom mama Siom calke studiac ki Camoayaliba. axla bavSvebi swavloben keramikas, Teqas, batikas, gobelens, xeze kveTas. minanqari calke specialobad iswavleba da bolos daemata minaze xatva.
– lia, vici, rom saintereso proeqtebs axorcielebT baTumis arqeologiur muzeumSic.
– me yovelTvis SemoqmedebiTi xelovnebis maswavlebeli viyavi, TviTganviTarebaze orientirebuli da sul siaxles veZebdi. aravis dauZalebia, magram Tavad vcdilobdi gakveTili gansxvavebul formatSi Cametarebina. bavSvebi damyavda muzeumebSi, vatarebdi Tematur leqciebs. ratomRac arqeologiuri muzeumis arseboba arc ki vicodi. moxda ise, rom studiaSi movida qalbatoni, izolda dumbaZe, moitana afiSebi, publikaciebi da SemogvTavaza, dagvemzadebina produqcia da gveTanamSromla maTTan. studia bavSvebiT gadatvirTuli iyo, Tanac farTi iyo Zalian patara, ver SevZlebdi rames gakeTebas da uari vuTxari. saerTod vTvli, rom araferi momxdara Cems cxovrebaSi mxolod Cemi ZalisxmeviT, am mxriv iRbliani var: yovelTvis mxvdebodnen konkretuli adamianebi, romlebic mniSvnelovnad gansazRvravdnen Cems momavals. rom ara qalbatoni marika izoria, romelic ToiZeSi maswavlida, ver movxvdebodi keramikis maestroebis: baton rezo iaSvilis da qalbaton alde kakabaZis saocar samyaroSi. am adamianebma didi kvali datoves Cemi pirovnebis formirebaSi. . . dRes ukve maTi Svilis, baton gia iaSvilis didi damsaxurebaa Cemi vaJis SemoqmedebiTi warmatebebi. . . baTumSi ki arqeologiuri muzeumis direqtoris, baton amiran kaxiZis ZalisxmeviT Caeyara safuZveli keramikuli saamqros gaxsnas, romlis xelmZRvanelobac SemogvTavazes. ar minda gamomrCes kidev erTi saocari xelovanis, qalbaton nino niJaraZis wvlilic Cems cxovrebaSi. swored am adamianma ,,aRmomaCina” Tavidan baTumSi – CemTvis jer kidev ucnob qalaqSi, rogorc perspeqtiuli profesionali. minda icodeT, rom roca sakuTar Tavze vsaubrob, iq yvelgan Cemi qmaric, tariel tabaRuac igulisxmeba, isic xom keramikis specialistia. Cemi da profesor amiran kaxiZis interesebi erTmaneTs daemTxva. davwere proeqti da sul male arqeologiis muzeumSi keramikuli saxelosno gaixsna, risTvisac muzeumma Tavisi wili xarji gaiRo. sagranto proeqtebiT Cemi wilic Sevitane, nawils ojaxis finansebic ki moxmarda.
– ra keTdeba am saamqroSi?
– artefaqtebis aslebi (minabaZebi), ramac sxva mimarTulebiTac damawyebina muSaoba. gamoikveTa Cemi keramikuli saqmianobis (produqciis) xasiaTi da xazi. realurad dRes Tu rame keramikul produqcias gasayidad vuSvebT, es aris samuzeumo artefaqtebis zusti aslebi ki ara, aramed inspiraciiT Seqmnili.
– sad mzaddeba keramika?
– CvenTan, studiaSi. did raodenobas ver vamzadeb farTis simciris gamo, magram rasac vakeTebT, eqskluziuria da erTjeradad gamodis. seriulad gamoSvebas jer ver vaxerxebT. amomyvani foTidan Camomyavs.
– ras niSnavs, `amomyvani~?
– Carxze amoyvanas vgulisxmob, danarCens xeliT vakeTeb, ZerwviT.
– vici, rom Tqven Zalian saintereso proeqti gqondaT.
– is proeqti muzeumSi muSaobam ganapiroba. raRacis ukeT gaazrebam gamokveTa produqciis xazi, romelic, ZiriTadad, aWaruli da qarTuli siZveleebis inspiraciiT Seqmnili keramika iqneba. 2017 wlidan gavbede, davnerge da tradiciuli gavxade saerTaSoriso festivali `keramikis alqimia~, romelzec saerTaSoriso donis keramikis artistebs viwvevT. `keramikis alqimia~ sami mniSvnelovani mimarTulebisaa – turistuli, rasac festivalis sanaxaobrivi funqcia iTvaliswinebs, meore – samecniero-kvleviTi mimarTuleba, romlis farglebSi daviwye swored aWaruli Tixebis kvleva (jer kidev sofel brilis Tixas vikvlevT da raRac ukve gamoikveTa) da mesame – festivalis saganmanaTlebo segmenti, romelic aseve Zalian mniSvnelovani nawilia. Cemi survili da mizania, keramikis warmoeba aWaraSi, romelic dRes TiTqmis nulzea, ganvaviTaro, aWaras davubruno keramikis industria. amitom daviwye es festivali. mis farglebSi Camomyavs akademiis ke-ramikis fakultetis studentebi, vutarebT orkvirian masterklasebs, romelSic monawileoben xelovnebis universitetis studentebi, SSm pirebi – Cemi beneficiarebi, Cemive studiis bavSvebi… visac survili aqvs, yvela Cven gverdiTaa. wels, pandemiis gamo, veRar CavatareT, Tumca am periodSic ar gavCerebulvar. davwere proeqti, romelic sul male tenderze gava. tenderis damTavrebisTanave, sofel brilSi, pirdapir Tixis karierze daiwyeba keramikuli saxelosnos mSenebloba. gamarjvebuli SemiZens danadgars, Rumels da ase Semdeg. es yvelaferi moemsaxureba kulturul turizms (iq festivalis farglebSi ara mxolod qarTveli, aramed ucxoeli turistebic damyavda). sofel brilSi Tixis karierisa da Cveni saxelosnos wyalobiT, gaizrdeba vizitiorTa ricxvi. SegviZlia aWaruli keramikuli turebic davgegmoT weliwadSi ramdenjerme. minda Cemi specialoba Sevaswavlo erT iqaur mkvidrsac, romelic am mimarTulebiT adgilze elementarul saqmianobas SeZlebs. brilis Tixa gamokvleulia da vargisiani, misgan SeiZleba Seiqmnas kedlis dekoratiuli filebi da adgilze gamoiwvas. amJamad muzeumSi noriodan (kaxeTidan) Camotanili TixiT vmuSaobT. misi transportireba sirTuleebTan aris dakavSirebuli. arada, aqaurebi swored adgilobrivi TixiT muSaobdnen. aWaraSi, konkretulad brilSi, Tixa Zalian kargia.
– vin amowmebs am Tixas?
– Cveni festivalis farglebSi saqmiani `samkuTxedi~ Camovayalibe, romelSic baTumis arqeologiuri muzeumis Cemi saxelosno, samxatvro akademia da Tbilisis teqnikuri universiteti Sedis. am universitetis gamoyenebiTi geologiis departamentis xelmZRvaneli, profesori nodar foforaZe samecniero kvlevebs atarebs Tixaze. swored man dado daskvna, rom brilis Tixa ufro samSeneblo keramikisTvisaa saukeTeso. amitom sxva, elastikuri Tixebis moZiebasac vawarmoebT. pirvel etapze daviwyebT kedlis mosapirkeTebeli dekoratiuli filebis damzadebas, adgilobriv moxalises SevaswavliT saWiro unarebs, romelic Cemi miTiTebiT imuSavebs. Tu saxelmwifo dainteresdeba am SesaniSnavi dargiT da imiT, rom sofels raRac Semosavali gauCndes, maSin mjera, rom did bazarzec gavalT. mere aguris warmoebac SeiZleba daiwyon. amas ukve didi investiciebi sWirdeba, Cemi granti ar eyofa. sofeli keramikuli turizmis mimarTulebiT ganviTardeba.
– Tqveni moswavleebidan vinme swavlobs keramikis specialobas?
– yovelwliurad aWaridan erTi saukeTeso moswavle Tbilisis samxatvro akademiaSi swored keramikis fakultetze abarebs, magram Cemi didi tkivilia is, rom isini baTums ar ubrundebian, radgan aq dasaqmebisa da realizebis perspeqtiva ar aqvT. ai, amitomaa kargi brilis sawarmos amuSaveba.
lia kaspelaSvilma gvTxova, gazeTis saSualebiT madloba gadavuxadoT yvelas, vinc mis keramikosad CamoyalibebaSi didi wvlili Seitana.
