როგორ აპირებს “ლელო” საქართველოს გარდაქმნას რეგიონის ფინანსურ, ლოჯისტიკურ და კულტურულ ცენტრად ?
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`Cven, politikuri gaerTianeba `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ verTiandebiT Tavisuflebis, ganviTarebisa da patriotizmis idealebiT, raTa qveyanam daZlios mravalmxrivi krizisi, daadges aRmavlobis Seuqcevad gzas da daimkvidros Rirseuli adgili demokratiuli qveynebis TanamegobrobaSi. Cven vqmniT axali midgomebis Zalas. uars vambobT politikuri brZolis aracivilizebul meTodebze. migvaCnia, rom yoveli axali xelisufleba xelaRebiT ar unda uaryofdes winamorbedTa pozitiur miRwevebs. Cven vamkvidrebT dialogis da TanamSromlobis kulturas, radgan gvwams, rom demokratia, saxelmwifoebrivi aRmSenebloba da moqalaqeTa keTildReoba mxolod samoqalaqo TanxmobiT aris SesaZlebeli. gvwams, rom patriotizmi, Tavisufleba, erovnuli da samoqalaqo Rirebulebebi erTmaneTis saZirkvels warmoadgens~, – ase acnobs Tavs sazogadoebas axali politikuri Zala, romelic mxolod erTi weliwadia rac gamoCnda asparezze da ukve sakmaod didi avtoriteti aqvs mosaxleobaSi.
gTavazobT intervius geno TebiZesTan, romelic partiam baTumis maJoritari deputatobis kandidatad daasaxela aWaris umaRles sabWoSi. aqve aRvniSnavT, rom batoni geno Cveni gazeTis redaqtori iyo da dRemde pativiscemiTa da siyvaruliT sargeblobs yofil TanamSromlebSi.
cnobisaTvis: geno TebiZem daamTavra saqarTvelos teqnikuri universiteti da Tsu profesiiT _ iuristi. iyo erovnuli moZraobis aqtiuri wevri, `demokratiuli aWaris~ regionuli organizaciis Tavmjdomare, gazeT `aWaris~ redaqtori, aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris mrCeveli, baTumis sakrebulos ori mowvevis wevri da iuridiuli komisiis Tavmjdomare, TviTmmarTvelobaSi muSaobis dros iyo sxvadasxva proeqtis avtori, misi TanamonawileobiT daarsda `sapatio baTumelis wodeba~ da `baTumqalaqobis~ dResaswauli. aris ramdenime wignis avtori da redaqtori, saqvelmoqmedo fond `alilo 2015~-isa da qarTul-ukrainuli proeqtis `bavSvebs undaT mSvidoba~ damfuZnebeli.
– batono geno, saubari daviwyoT Tqveni arCevaniT. ratom gadawyviteT politikur sarbielze gamosvla?
– es arCevani axla ar gamikeTebia. jer kidev studentobisas 1988 wlis aqciebSi CaverTe, romelic gaimarTa Tbilissa da baTumSi. viyavi erovnuli moZraobis aqtiuri wevri, ris gamoc sabWoTa represiebis wnexi mec Semexo da erTi wliT gamaTavisufles umaRlesSi swavlisgan. maSin ase dasaja daumorCilebeli studentebi imdroindelma reJimma. Semdeg, 9 aprilis momdevno periodSi, ufro gavamZafreT brZola arsebuli xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg. gaverTiandi `ilia marTlis sazogadoebaSi~. Tu gaxsovT, maSin `araformalebs~ gveZaxdnen. yvela saxis aqciebSi vmonawileobdi, rogorc SimSilobis, ise saprotesto. maTgan bevris organizatoric gaxldiT.
– reJimi daemxo, saqarTvelo gaTavisuflda da . . .
– Semdeg CaverTe Cveul mSvidobian cxovrebaSi, Tumca raRac periodSi, TandaTan damZimda socialuri foni da mkveTrad imata ekonomikurma problemebma, rac mZime tvirTad daawva Cveni qveynis mosaxleobas. es ar maZlevda mSvidad yofnis da ganze dgomis saSualebas. amitom gadavwyvite, SeverTebodi iseT politikur moZraobas, romelic saqarTvelos aRmSeneblobis ideiT gamovidoda. vnaxe kidec `Senebis moZraoba~, romelic Semdgom gaerTianda axal memarjveneebTan da `lelosTan~. axla CamovyalibdiT politikur organizaciad, ufro sworad, ojaxad da aqtiurad vemzadebiT arCevnebisTvis. mimaCnia, rom `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ dResdReobiT aris erTaderTi realuri Zala, romelsac ZaluZs ukeTesobisken Secvalos qveynis cxovreba da uzrunvelyos mosaxleobis keTildReoba.
– 5 seqtembers Tqvenma partiam moawyo e.w. `marSalis gegmis~ prezentacia, romelmac araordinaruli saxelwodebiT miiqcia presis da sazogadoebis yuradReba . . .
– `marSalis gegma` SeimuSaves meore msoflio omis Semdgom, ganadgurebuli evropis qveynebis uswrafesi reabilitaciisTvis, raTa moexdinaT gardatexa da ekonomika dabruneboda omamdel mdgomareobas. igive saxelwodebiT, Cvens mier SemuSavebuli gegma iTvaliswinebs saqarTvelos ekonomikis Zireul rekonstruqcias, mis finansur da kulturul centrad qcevas. programa ucxoelma eqspertebma Seqmnes `lelos~ liderebTan erTad. swored am gardatexas vTavazobT saqarTvelos mosaxleobas, radgan migvaCnia, swored am programiT SevZlebT davZlioT is gamouvali mdgomareoba, raSic aRmoCnda dRes qveyana da Cven yvelani.
– Tu SeiZleba, mokled gadmogveciT am programis ZiriTadi punqtebi, anu ras mieqceva yuradReba `lelos~ xelisuflebaSi mosvlis SemTxvevaSi?
– upirveles yovlisa, Seiqmneba Zlieri saSualo fena. mogexsenebaT, qveyanaSi msgavsi ar arsebobs. arian an Raribebi an mdidrebi. rac Seexeba saSualo fenas, ukve Zalian dabal niSnulzea – 1,5%-ia sammilionian mosaxleobaSi. gamodis, mxolod 64 aTass aqvs maRali xelfasi. Cveni programa iTvaliswinebs, 600 aTas adamians gauxdes minimum 3 aTas larze meti Tviuri Semosavali da, amasTan, SevqmnaT 200 aTasi axali samuSao adgili.
– sofelSi mcxovrebT ra perspeqtivebi eqnebaT?
– glexi Zlier fermerad unda vaqcioT da arcerTi goji daumuSavebeli miwa ar davtovoT saqarTveloSi. yvela sofels unda hyavdes Tavisi agronomi da veteqimi, maRali donis, Tanamedrove teqnologiebiT gamarTuli fermebi da a.S. isic minda aRvniSno, programis farglebSi yvela weliwads 100 axalgazrda staJirebas gaivlis israelSi, Sveicariasa da holandiaSi, soflis meurneobis sxvadasxva dargSi daxvews codnas, ris Semdegac daubrundeba saqarTvelos, raTa miRebuli praqtikuli gamocdileba gauziaros sxvebs.
– ramdenad realuria es yvelaferi rasac ambobT? kargad iciT, arCevnebis win yvela politikuri Zala bevr rames hpirdeba mosaxleobas, rac aviwydeba, rogorc ki xelisuflebaSi mova.
– is, rasac Cveni liderebi acxadeben, programis TiToeuli sityva, SeTanxmebulia dargis eqspertebTan da gamomdinareobs qveynis potencialidan, momavali biujetidan. ase rom, haerze aravin arafers gpirdebaT. aseve, am programaSi regionebis ganviTarebazea saubari. yvela maTganis SesaZleblobebi jer specialistebma Seiswavles da Semdeg dades mecnierulad da finansurad dasabuTebuli gegma. `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ Seecdeba mis ganxorcielebas.
– dagvikonkreteT, romeli regioni rogor ganviTardeba?
– quTaisi – lojistikuri da finansuri habi, sadac dafuZndeba saerTaSoriso safondo birJa. aeroportis garSemo ki moewyoba Zlieri, saerTaSoriso lojistikuri centri. anaklia iqneba kavkasiis karibWe msoflioSi da pirveli gaCereba soxumamde mimaval gzaze – aq moewyoba Tavisufali ekonomikuri zona, sadac warmatebuli evropuli da aziuri sawarmoebi ganTavsdeba. baTumi – sazRvao industriisa da turizmis centri, sadac qarTuli sanaosno Seiqmneba. Telavi – Rvinis dedaqalaqi. kaxeTi uzrunvelyofs turizmis oTxive sezons. iciT, rom msoflioSi registrirebuli 50 mln Rvinis turisti weliwadSi 30 mlrd dolars xarjavs? kaxeTSi 1% mainc unda movizidoT da mxolod Rvinis turizmidan 1 miliardi laris sargebeli gveqneba, rac 10 000 lari damatebiTi Semosavalia yvela kaxeli glexisTvis. qarTli – agro da bio warmoebis centri gaxdeba, `lelos~ amocanaa 1 mlrd dolaris produqciis eqsportze gatana, saxelmwifo ki finansur daxmarebas gauwevs biowarmoebas. raWaSi ganTavsdeba saerTaSoriso saganmanaTleblo skola-kampusebis centri. aq gaTvlilia enebis, informaciuli teqnologiebis, saerTaSoriso skolebis infrastruqturis Seqmna. Tbilisi – biznes (saqmiani) qalaqi, 
da inovaciebis centri iqneba. inovaciuri kompaniebi ki gaTavisufldebian gadasaxadebisgan 5 wlis vadiT.
– sakmaod ambiciuri gegmebia . . .
– vfiqrob, uCveulos arafers vgegmavT, gamovdivrT im potencialidan, rac TiTqmis yvelam viciT, magram jerovnad veravin iyenebs. rac mTavaria, kargad unda gavacnobieroT qveynis geopolitikuri adgilmdebareoba, vgulisxmob, evraziis centrs. manZili evropasa da azias Soris, TviTmfrinaviT aris maqsimum 3 saaTi anu droSic ki uswrafesad moxdeba lojistikuri momsaxurebis gaweva da am mdebareobis sarfianad gamoyeneba Cveni qveynis biujetis Sesavsebad da saerTaSoriso poziciebis gasamyareblad. garda amisa, gasaTvaliswinebelia rogorc bunebrivi resursebi, ise momxiblavi garemo da klimati, ris safuZvelzec saqarTvelos Tamamad SeeZleba seriozuli ganacxadi gaakeTos msoflioSi, wlis oTxive sezonze turizmis gansaviTareblad.
– ukve Seqmnilia `Crdilovani kabineti~, romelzec isaubra mamuka xazaraZem partiis prezentaciaze?
– Crdilovani kabinetis Seqmnis Taobaze jer kidev erTi wlis win ganvacxadeT. SevkariT uZlieresi gundi da axla, rodesac davamtkiceT programa, gamovacxadebT Crdilovani kabinetis wevrebs, romlebic am programas ganaxorcieleben da daiwyeben qveynis aRorZinebas. gvyavs yvela dargis uZlieresi specialisti, romlebic eqspertebTan erTad muSaobdnen konkretul sferoSi da mzad arian qveynis marTvis sadaveebis asaRebad. mxedvelobaSi misaRebia axalgazrduli gundic, romelic Cveni politikuri partiis wamyvan Zalas warmoadgens. aq arian adamianebi, romlebic arcerT partiaSi, arcerT Tanamdebobaze anu saxelisuflebo struqturaSi ar yofilan, kompromisze ar wasulan da ganaTlebasTan erTad, sufTa xedva da umwikvlo warsuli aqvT. ana nacvliSvili, irakli kupraZe, kaxa koJoriZe, lana galdava, saba buaZe da bevri sxva, mudam idgnen adamianis uflebebisa da Tavisuflebis sadarajoze, icavdnen sasamarTlos damoukideblobas, kanonis uzenaesobas da mSromelTa interesebs. isini SeZleben dRevandeli saqarTvelos realobis realurad Secvlas ukeTesobisken.
– `ruseTisa da saqarTvelos xelisuflebebi saqarTvelos erovnuli usafrTxoebis winaaRmdeg erT TamaSs TamaSoben~, ganacxada `lelos~ erT-erTma liderma lana galdavam . . .
– ise xSirad emTxveva erTmaneTs Cveni qveynis usafrTxoebis samsaxurebisa da ruseTis fsb-s zraxvebi, rodesac romelime konkretul Temas ganixilaven, rom Tavisdauneburad Cndeba es azri. faqtia, isini TanamSromloben, radgan iseTi pirovnebebis eqstradicia xdeba ruseTSi (sadac isini wamebis da fizikuri zewolis qveS eqcevian), ara mxolod qarTveli uflebadamcvelebi, saerTaSoriso organizaciis warmomadgenlebic afiqsireben, rom es dauSvebelia. isic saTqmelia, rom ukrainidan gamoiwvies saqarTvelos elCi da axla erT dros politikur da strategiul partniorTan aRar gvaqvs xidi, romelic ase aucilebelia aseT did saxelmwifosTan urTierTobisTvis. azerbaijanTanac gaamwvaves urTierTobebi da sxva.
– damoukidebeli deputatis levan gogiCaiSvilis gancxadebiT, `lelo~ biZina ivaniSvilis fuliT finansdeba . . .
– amaze ra komentari unda gavakeTo? opoziciuri partiebis warmomadgenlebma erTxel da samudamod unda gaviTavisoT, rom erTmaneTze TavdasxmebiT veranair diskomforts ver SevuqmniT `qarTul ocnebas~. Tu gvsurs realobis Secvla, unda vicodeT, rom amas ver mivaRwevT urTierTbraldebebiT da talaxis sroliT. msgavss arasodes vikadrebT. sakuTar imijs ver SevqmniT sxvisi gaSavebiT. kargad viciT, ra didi reitingi gvaqvs, isic viciT, rom sazogadoeba Cvens mimarT keTilganwyobilia. cxadia, aris kiTxvebi. yvelaze gvaqvs amomwuravi pasuxebi, ris gamoc mosaxleobis didi nawili imedis TvaliT gviyurebs. dResdReobiT, erTaderTi Zala varT, visac SeuZlia Tavisi resursiT, axalgazrduli gundiT da gamocdili kadrebiT Secvalos qveynis awmyoc da momavalic. Cven ar vakeTebT populistur gancxadebebs da Tavs ar vesxmiT arcerT politikur Zalas. `lelos~ mizania, `marSalis gegmis~ ganxorcieleba, raTa momaval oTx weliwadSi saqarTvelo vaqcioT socialurad normalur, politikurad – stabilur, ekonomikurad Zlier saxelmwifod, sadac arcerTi martoxela moxuci ar darCeba saxelmwifo zrunvis gareSe; garantirebuli pirveli samsaxuri eqneba yvela axalgazrdas da axalgazrda ojaxebs TanadafinansebiT SeuZenen pirvel binas. saxelmwifo samedicino dazRveva eqneba yvela ojaxs kerZo sadazRvevo kompaniis CarTulobiT da metic – ekonomikurad damoukidebeli, Zlieri qali dadgeba qveynis marTvis sadaveebTan. programis farglebSi aseve ganixileba `lelos~ modeli 3.2.1, romelic gulisxmobs 3-miliardian sagarantio fonds finansebze xelmisawvdomobis gasazrdelad, 2-miliardian sainvesticio fonds _ mcire da saSualo biznesisTvis, 1-miliardian sainvesticio fonds _ inovaciisa da maRali teqnologiebisTvis.
– prezentaciisas mamuka xazaraZem saqarTveloSi saerTaSoriso statusis safondo birJis dafuZnebazec isaubra.
– diax, ris Sedegadac saxelmwifo licenzirebuli kompaniebis aqciebis 20%-is ganTavseba safondo birJaze savaldebulo gaxdeba. saxelmwifo sawarmoebis privatizeba moxdeba safondo birJis meSveobiT da TiToeul moqalaqes saSualeba miecema, gaxdes sawarmoebis Tanamflobeli. garda amisa, saerTaSoriso arbitraJis dafuZnebazecaa seriozuli saubari. `lelos~ mizania, aqcios saqarTvelo regionis finansur, lojistikur, kulturul, inovaciur centrad, Seqmnas Zlieri saSualo fena. Cveni megaproeqtia anakliis Rrmawylovani porti, ZiriTadi gza da avtobani, rkinigzis sruli modernizacia, qveynis sruli internetizacia. aseve, uzrunvelvyofT sarwyavi da sasmeli wyliT yvela ojaxs da sofels… mxolod cifrebiT visubroT: saqarTvelos mosaxleoba – 3,7 mln mcxovrebi; 1,5 mln emigranti; 450 000 socialurad daucveli da 235 000 umuSevari. ucxouri investiciebis yvelaze dabali maCvenebeli bolo 10 welSi da 20% okupirebuli teritoriebi. erT sul mosaxleze mTliani Sida produqtiT 104-e adgilze varT. bednierebis indeqsSi 119-e adgili gvikavia, saqarTvelos mosaxleobis 1,5% (64 000 adamiani) warmoadgens saSualo fenas. saqarTveloSi yoveli mexuTe bavSvi SimSilobs, evropaSi erT-erTi yvelaze Raribi qveyana varT. es aris dRes saqarTvelos realoba, romlis Secvlasac `lelo~ sakuTari gegmiT apirebs.
