ლიკა ლეჟავა: იტალიაში პირბადის ტარების წესების დარღვევისთვის პირველი ჯარიმა 400, მეორე – 800 – დან 2000-მდე, მესამე კი 4000 ევროა…
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baTumis musikalurma centrma da renata tebaldisa da mario del monakos saxelobis saerTaSoriso saopero momRerlebis akademiam (italiaSi moRvawe saopero momRerali, soprano nino leJava am akademiis mmarTveli da direqtori gaxlavT) urTierTSeTanxmebis safuZvelze araerTi saintereso proeqti ganaxorcieles. es SeTanxmeba ori wlis win gaformda italiis qalaq pezaroSi. qalbatoni nino 11 welia am qalaqSi moRvaweobs. meaTe welia, rac masTan erTad imyofeba misi da lika leJava, romelic renata tebaldisa da mario del monakos saxelobis saerTaSoriso saopero momRerlebis akademiis menejeri gaxlavT. Cven swored mas davukavSirdiT pezaroSi, igi gviambobs, Tu rogor cxovroben da moRvaweoben italielebi axali koronavirusis pirobebSi, ras saqmianobs akademia.
– akademia 2002 wels daafuZna cnobilma maestro mario melanim da ori bumberazi momRerlis saxels atarebs, isini maestros megobrebi iyvnen – del monako mario melanisTan erTad swavlobda cnobil maestrosTan arturo meloqisTan pezaros konservatoriaSi. rac Seexeba renata tebaldis, isic pezarodanaa, aris maestro mario melanis deidaSvili. Cveni akademia italiis qalaq pezaroSi mdebareobs, romelsac rosinis qalaqsac eZaxian, radgan aq tardeba rosinis festivali, aris rosinis saxelobis konservatoria, anu yvelaferi mis saxels ukavSirdeba. akademiasa da baTumis musikalur centrTan damegobrebaSi da urTierTTanamSromlobaSi didia ara mxolod akademiis, aramed Tavad musikaluri centris direqtor giorgi miqelaZis wvlili. Aam TanamSromlobisTvis orive mxarem iaqtiura.
– visi idea iyo es damegobreba?
– ninos Zalian undoda saqarTvelosTan mWidro kavSiris damyareba. Tbilisis operis Teatris solisti rom iyo, jer kidev maSin TanamSromlobda baTumis musikalur centrTan, xSirad Camodioda baTumSi, ~qeTo da kotes~ premierazec iyo mowveuli. pezaroSi gamarTuli erT-erTi RonisZiebis dros, aq imyofebodnen Cveni baTumeli megobrebi qeTi maneliSvili da kvartet „notas“ wevrebi, romlebsac SevxvdiT. maSin orive mxarem gamoTqva TanamSromlobis survili. sul male Cveni mowveviT pezaroSi Camovidnen centris direqtori giorgi miqelaZe da menejeri jaba saluqvaZe. davgegmeT TanamSromloba da pezaros qalaqis meris kabinetSi xeli movawereT urTierTTanamSromlobis xelSekrulebas. didi enTuziazmiT SevudeqiT qarTul-italiur saqmes – gvsurda, baTumisTvis, aWarisTvis ufro axlos gagvecno italiuri, am regionis xelovneba da piriqiT – italielebs gaecnoT qarTuli musika da kultura. Cveni pirveli seriozuli erToblivi ganacxadi iyo rosinis „stabatmateris“ wardgena italielebisTvis, rac akademiis da piradad ninos kontaqtebiT gaxda SesaZlebeli. saqme imaSia, rom 2018 wels rosinis gardacvalebidan 250 wlisTavi aRiniSneboda mTeli italiis masStabiT, misdami miZRvnili RonisZiebebiT. arc italiaSi da arc msoflioSi ar darCenila Teatri da musikaluri organizacia, vinc ar miuZRvna speqtakli an saRamo am mniSvnelovan TariRs. arc akademia iyo gamonaklisi da radgan Cven xelSekruleba gvqonda dadebuli baTumis musikalur centrTan, ZiebaSi „stabatmateriT“ miviReT monawileoba „rosinianas“ manifestaciaSi. maSin baTumis musikaluri centris SesaniSnavma kapelam Zalian gamoiCina Tavi da bevri komplimentic daimsaxura. aRniSnavdnen aseve araCveulebrivi solistebis irakli kaxiZis, inga jaxutaSvilis, sulxan jaianis gamosvlas. sopranos partias nino leJava asrulebda, gamodioda aseve moskovis didi Teatridan mowveuli tenori andrei skliarenko. rosinis saxelobis simfoniur orkestrs maestro daviT muqeria diriJorobda. maSin ori koncerti gavmarTeT or qalaqSi da yvelgan darbazi gadaWedili iyo. Cveni oganizebiT, kapela aseve monawileobda markes regionis saopero festivalSi, sadac sakmaod rTuli programiT warsdga. pirvelad Sesrulda cnobili kompozitoris bosis saorRano nawarmoebebi da kapelas iqac didi warmateba hqonda. es iyo didi ganacxadi, rasac kargi rezonansi mohyva. momdevno nabiji ukve aWaraSi iyo – Camoyvanili gvyavda sakmaod cnobili diriJori, Catarda araCveulebrivi saRamo, aseve momRerlebis masterklasebi, gaimarTa xose karerasis masterklasis mosmena. minda giTxraT, rom xose karerasis masterklasi msoflioSi mxolod rosinis saxelobis konservatoriaSi tardeba. am masterklasisTvis winaswar tardeba mosmena da xdeba momRerlebis SerCeva. saqarTveloSi – Tbilissa da baTumSi es mosmenebi Caatara nino leJavam, SearCia momRerlebi. . . proeqti aWarisTvis am mxrivac saintereso iyo. Semdgomi nabiji ukve iyo erToblivi proeqti – opera „bohema, razec dausruleblad SemiZlia visaubro. igi ganxorcielda ormxrivi ZalebiT, jer baTumSi, Semdeg – italiaSi. am proeqtsac Zalian kargad gavarTviT Tavi. imasac aRvniSnav, rom baTumis musikalur centrSi `bohema~ pirveli dadgma iyo ara mxolod aWaraSi, aramed, saqarTveloSi. dadgmis konstruqciiTac iyo Zalian saintereso. reJisori italiidan gvyavda, magram idea ninos ekuTvnis da esec Zalian mniSvnelovani gaxldaT rogorc musikaluri centrisTvis, aseve Cveni akademiisTvis. sul sami speqtakli Catarda da samive anSlagiT italiis istoriul TeatrebSi. „bohemas“ (2019) Semdeg kidev erTi gasvliTi koncerti gvqonda. baTumSi Cavidnen puCinis festivalis samxatvro direqtori veronezi, Cveni soprano nino leJava da tenori zurab zurabiSvili, adgilobrivebidan inga jaxutaSvili da sulxan jaiani monawileobdnen koncertSi, romelic baTumis dramatul TeatrSi Catarda. maSinac ninom masterklasebi gamarTa. mogvianebiT dagegmili iyo kapelis monawileoba italiis saorRano musikis saerTaSoriso festivalSi. amasTan, maspinZlebis didi survili iyo, kapela diskze CaeweraT. es sakiTxi dRis wesrigidan moxsnili ar aris, magram kovidis gamo, SeCerebulia. vimedovnebT, rom pandemia dagvtovebs da SevZlebT cxovrebis normalur ritms davubrundeT, SeCerebuli proeqtebic ganvaaxloT.
– amaT garda, kidev gqondaT rame dagegmili?
– ki, ra Tqma unda, koncerti gvqonda dagegmili, sakmaod saintereso diriJori Camogvyavda baTumSi, Cven xom gacvliT proeqtebze vmuSaobT – erTi xorcieeldeba italiaSi da erTic – saqarTveloSi, kerZod, baTumSi. esec SeCerebulia.
– ra siaxle gaqvT Tqvens saqmianobaSi?
– saqarTveloSi Camosvlis dros TbilisSi gavxseniT mario melanisa da renata tebaldis klasikuri musikis akademia. faqtobrivad, is calke „organizmia“, romelic saqarTveloSi davaarseT (generaluri direqtori da damaarsebeli nino leJava, samxatvro xelmZRvaneli – medea qavTaraZe). Zalian kargi pedagogi gvyavs mowveuli, gvaqvs musikaluri TerTmetwledi, akademiis orwliani da samwliani bienales kursebi da yvela ganxra, rogorc vokaluri, ise sagundo-sadiriJoro. Zalian bevr students italiaSi swavlis saSualeba ara aqvs, swavlaze metad, italiaSi cxovreba jdeba Zalian Zviri. amitom am akademiis gaxsniT, Cven bavSvebs saSualebas vaZlevT, adgilze iswavlon da aiRon italiuri diplomi, rac mTavaria, meTodika da swavleba aris italiuri. mexuTe klasidan bavSvebi italiur enasac swavloben. noembridan onlainswavlebaze varT, magram, vfiqrobT, martidan ukve Cveulebriv gakveTilebze gadavalT. dResdReobiT 60 studenti iricxeba. gazafxulidan mniSvnelovani masterklasebi gveqneba, kargi specialistebi Camovlen italiidan. akademia saerTaSorisoa da masSi SeuZliaT iswavlon sxva qveynis moqalaqeebma. yazaxeTidan, somxeTidan da ruseTidan ukve gvyavs msurvelebi, magram xeli pandemiam SegviSala. . . baTumi Zalian miyvars, guli mwydeba am maRliv Senobebze. pezaroSi 100 aTasi mcxovrebia, magram TviTon qalaqi Zalian did farTobzea gaSlili imis gamo, rom erT maRal Senobas ver naxavT. maqsimaluri – xuTsarTuliania da isic iSviaTia. mTeli qalaqi mwvaneSia Cafluli. yvela saxls Tavisi skveri da baRi aqvs, Zalian hgavs Zvel, istoriul baTums. dRes rac mand xdeba, yovlad dauSvebelia. Zveli baTumisTvis xeli ar unda exloT, es caTambjenebi qalaqgareT unda gaetanaT. maRalsarTuliani Senobebi maRizianebs.
– qalbatoni nino albaT mainc gadis repeticias. . .
– daurekes germaniidan da aprilis bolodan ramdenime koncertzea saubari, magram danamdvilebiT aravin icis, ra iqneba – saubaria kovidis mesame talRaze. RmerTiT, egeb gaqres es kovidi, rom yvelam erTad gavixaroT.
– qalbatono lika, veranairad avuvliT gverds kovids. rogori mdgomareoba iyo italiaSi adre da axla?
– gasul wlis 21 Tebervals mamam insulti miiRo. 22-Si me da nino saqarTveloSi gamovfrindiT. kovidis Tema maSin aqtualuri ar iyo. CineTSi ki, magram italiaSi ara pandemiis, aramed infeqciis doneze iyo saubari. ukve erT kviraSi agorda kovidis talRa. italiaSi saocrebebi xdeboda da ara marto aq. axla ar aris is situacia, rac wina TveebSi. daixvewa mkurnalobis meTodebic, vaqcinaciac dawyebulia, samedicino seqtori ukeTaa momzadebuli, ar aris is krizisuli situacia, rac gazafxulze iyo. SezRudvebis mxriv, vfiqrob, italia erT-erTi samagaliTo qveyanaa. pandemiis marTvis sistemas mTel msoflioSi vadevneb Tvals da momwons, rac keTdeba italiaSi. qveyana regionebadaa dayofili. virusis simZimis gavrcelebis mixedviT Seiqmna sami feris sqema – forToxlisferi, yviTeli da wiTeli zonebi, Sesabamisad, roca Caketva xdeba, mTlianad qveyana ki ara, iketeba is regioni, sadac viTareba garTulebulia.
– Tqvens qalaqSi ra mdgomareobaa?
– saaxalwlod mTlianad italia gadasuli iyo wiTel zonaSi, gadaadgileba iyo maqsimalurad SezRuduli, ar SeiZleboda stumrad wasvla. iyo ojaxebi, romlebmac Svilebi ver miiRes, radganac ar SeiZleboda saxlSi eqvs wevrze metis yofna. 3 Tebervals gadavediT yviTel zonaSi, manamde saSualo zonaSi viyaviT – forToxlisferSi. dReidan seirnobis ufleba gveqneba.
– skolebi gaxsnilia?
– muSaobs dawyebiTi jgufebi, danarCeni gadasulia distanciur swavlebaze. sxvaTa Soris, Cveni, markes regioni ibrZvis, rom skolebSi Catardes swrafi testireba, raTa ufrosklaselebic gakveTilebze daswrebis reJimSi gadavidnen. regionSi ori qalaqi am sistemaze ukve gadasulia da velodebiT, rom male maT pezaroc SeuerTdeba.
– quCaSi pirbadiT dadixarT?
– ki, moTxovnaa, rom nebismier sivrceSi – gaSlil Tu, miT umetes, daxurul, maT Soris, velosipedzec (sxvaTa Soris, pezaro velosipedebis qalaqia) gvekeTos pirbade.
– pirbadesTan dakavSirebiT jarimebi TqvenTanac aris?
– saqarTveloSi, vici, rom am mxriv cudi situaciaa. kargi iqneba, Tu jarimas ufro gazrdian, amiT adamianebi iswavliაn, mieCvevian pirbadis tarebas, Tanac – sworad. CvenTan niRbis artarebisTvis pirvelad jarima aris 400 evro, meored, SesaZloa, es iyos 800-dan 2000-mde (gaaCnia, ra situaciaSi ar gikeTia – esaa daxuruli Tu Ria sivrce), mesamed dajarimeba ki 4000 evroa. italielebi xasiaTiT, temperamentiT gvanan qarTvelebs – ar arian kanonmorCilebi, magram imis gamo, rom jarima maRalia, kanons emorCilebian.
– drosTan dakavSirebuli SezRudvebi aris?
– oqtombridan, saRamos 9 saaTidan dilis 6-mde komendaნtis saaTi amoqmedda. gareT gasvla ar SeiZleba. rTulia, magram . . . gvinda Tu ara, unda SeveguoT.
– vaqcinaze ras amboben?
– vaqcinacia dawyebulia. ra Tqma unda, Tveebis mixedviTaa gawerili, vis rodis gaukeTeben. me noember-dekembrisTvis miwevs. pirvelad icreba samedicino personali, meored – risk – jgufebi (asakobrivi da visac qronikuli daavadebebi aqvs), mesamed – saxelmwifo moxeleebi (pedagogebi, jari, policia da ase Semdeg), Semdeg modis 70 wels zemoT da mere. . . yvela danarCeni, Tumca, isic gawerilia.
– romel vaqcinas ukeTeben da ramdenjer?
– `faizerიs~ da or etapad – meore ori kviris Semdeg keTdeba.
– roca Tqveni rigi mova, gaikeTebT? CvenTan bevri winaaRmdegia da imitom gekiTxebiT.
– vfiqrob, rom ki. aq aris ori momenti. gaxsovT, albaT, Tavis droze adamianebi im sabaziso acrebis (romlebic axla patarebs ukeTdebaT) winaaRmdegni iyvnen, magram dRes es Cveulebrivia da mas yvela bavSvs ukeTeben, arc aravin aprotestebs. mesmis, rom yvelas aqvs raRac SiSi da maT Soris, mec, radgan vaqcina ase mokle droSi gamoigones. magram nu dagvaviwydeba, rom dRes imdenad swrafia muSaobis procesi, arc aris gasakviri, ase adre rom gamoigones, Tumca 100-procentian garantias veravin iZleva. magram Tu ar gavikeTebT am acras, pandemia Zalian didxans gagrZeldeba. Raribi qveynebisTvis Znelad iqneba vaqcina xelmisawvdomi, droSi gaiweleba. vfiqrob, 2021 wlis Semodgomaze ufro msubuqi suraTi unda gvqondes. faqtobrivad, virusma mutacia ganicada, adaptirda da adamianisTvis ise saSiSi aRaraa, SebrZolebis unari gagviCnda gripis vaqcinas adamianebi yovelwliurad ikeTeben saqarTveloSic da evropaSic, es Cveulebrivi movlenaa. Tu aseT doneze darCa, visac unda gaikeTebs, visac unda – ara.
– evropaSi mcxovrebi Cveni Tanamemamule profesori giorgi fxakaZe ambobs, rom vaqcinacia nebayoflobiTi, efeqturi, usafrTxo unda iyos, amasTan, TiToeulma adamianma unda icodes, ra SeiZleba mohyves mas.
– diax, veTanxmebi. adamianma unda icodes, ra garTuleba SeiZleba mohyves vaqcinacias da aucileblad nebayoflobiTi unda iyos.
– madloba saubrisTvis, mSvidobian dReebs gisurvebT.
