,,თუ გიყვარს, ეს გრძნობა საკუთარ თავზე მაღლა დგომას გასწავლის”
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salo ananiZe axlaxan gamoCnda literaturul sarbielze da imTaviTve miipyro yuradReba. JurnalebSi (`Woroxi~ da `afinaJi~) gamoqveynebulma leqsebma da eskizebma bevri daarwmuna, rom am axalgazrda, mSvenieri garegnobisa da sulis gogonas (sofel cxmorisidan, qeda) namdvilad aqvs Tavisi saTqmeli, TviTnabadi, niWieri kalmosania da momavalSi warmatebasac miaRwevs. Tavisufali sulis, maZiebeli, mgrZnobiare bunebis da faqizi aRqmiT gamorCeuli romaa, amaSi axla es interviuc dagarwmunebT. sxvaTa Soris, is Tanaavtoria wignisa `axalgazrda xelovani~. . .
– salo ananiZe – vin dgas am saxelis miRma, rogor xedavT da aRiqvamT sakuTar Tavs?
– pirvel rigSi, unda aRvniSno, rom sakuTar Tavze laparaki Zalian rTulia, magram vecdebi namdvili viyo TiToeul sityvaSi. salome ananiZis miRma dgas Crdili, romelsac sxeuli zed acvia da ganicdis. Zalian Cveulebrivi gogo var, 19 wlis. vswavlob SoTa rusTavelis saxelobis saxelmwifo universitetis qarTuli filologiis fakultetze. sakuTari Tavis aRqma arcTu ise iolia. xSirad var mgrZnobiare da vTvli, rom es faqti xels miSlis yoveldRiurobaSi. realurad aRqmuli da gaanalizebuli `me~ aris adamiani, romelsac Zalian bevri ocneba da mizani aqvs – is ocnebebi da miznebi, romlebic saerTo biliks gadian, maTi dasasruli ki mzis xilva iqneba.
– Tqveni fesvebi, bavSvoba da dRevandeloba. . .
– qarTvelebi is eri varT, saamayo rom ar dagveleva, magram fesvebi, is adamianebi, romelTa wyalobiTac movediT aqamde, gansakuTrebiT dasafasebelni arian. ar var gamoCenilTa SviliSvili an Svili, magram yovelTvis siamayiT warmovTqvam Cems winaparTa saxelebs, radgan maTi Tundac aRzrdis stili, adamianoba, miswrafebebi – yvelaferi pirdapirkavSirSia CemTan, Cems niWTan da TvisebebTan. me amayi var Cemi fesvebiT! bavSvobas ar gavixseneb, jer kidev am asakSi var da Tamamad SemiZlia vTqva, rom es aris naTeli periodi adamianis cxovrebaSi. bavSvoba is asakia, yovelTvis RimiliT rom gaixseneb, TvalebSi mze rom gyavs da ggonia, Sen garSemo mxolod cisartyelis ferebi arsebobs, Semdeg izrdebi da xvdebi, rom umjobesia bavSvad darCe. me jer kidev im bavSvTa ricxvs mivekuTvnebi, telefoniT rom ar gazrdilan da ubnis bavSvebTan erTad dilidan saRamomde JriamulSi gahyavdaT dro. Rrma bavSvobidan yvelaze kargad maxsovs skolaSi misvlis pirveli dRe, is emociebi, pirveli maswavlebeli da axali megobrebi, romlebzec did imeds vamyarebdi. Cven erTad SevqmeniT bednieri bavSvoba. bavSvoba is asakia, romlisTvisac madlobas vuxdi yovel axal dRes.
– feisze Zalian mgrZnobiare, mxatvrul postebs aqveynebT, poezia, proza – Tqvens cxovrebaSi?
– Cemi `mgrZnobiare~ postebis miRma xelovneba dgas, Tundac poezia, proza. bolo ramdenime welia, Cemi cxovreba STanTqa poeziis da prozis siyvarulma, metwilad, prozam. Cemi wamalia poeziisa da prozis arsi, mec nel-nela vcdilob, kalams SeveCvio, masTan urTierToba daviwyo da davbwkaro TeTri furceli. msurs, Cems istoriaSi poeziisa da prozis pulss vusmino.
– nodar dumbaZis gmirebis azriT, leqss siyvaruli awerinebs adamians – roca giyvars, raRac mReris SenSi, raRac zeimobs, netarebs, ra aris es `raRac~?
– Tu giyvars, es grZnoba sakuTar Tavze maRla dgomas gaswavlis da gaiZulebs, SenSi gancdili sxvasac ganacdevino, maT gulamde miitano. iciT, realurad xSirad vfiqrob imaze, ra aris es `raRac~?albaT RmerTia SenSi lamazi TvalebiTa da amoucnobi RimiliT. kalams roca iReb, iq yvela grZnoba erTbaSad frinavs gonebaSi da pirdapir guls ejaxeba, gazanzarebuli grZnobebi ki riTmebad da frazebad Tavisufldebian sxeulidan, gaTavisuflebulebi ki zed melanze pouloben netarebas, amis Semdeg Sen iWer maT da weras iwyeb.
– sevda xSirad gipyrobT, raze swuxarT da ra gaxarebT?
– sevda imaze metadaa CemSi damaluli, vidre Tavad warmomidgenia. garegnulad ar vimCnev xolme, magram rTulia sevdas gaeqce, cudze ar ifiqro. nebismier wuTs SeiZleba calke davjde da sevdas Severio. mawuxebs im bavSvTa cxovreba, romlebsac siyvaruliT savse Tvalebi ar daunaxavT, ar ician, rogoria mSoblis Tbili xelebiT Seni xelebis gaTboba, uangaro siyvaruli da ojaxTan erTad naWami puri.
– Tviseba, romelic yvelaze metadaa TqvenSi ganviTarebuli?
– yvelaze metad – erTguleba. isic unda iTqvas, rom xSirad sapirispiros mimtkicebs es Tviseba, maCvenebs, rom Zalian cota imsaxurebs erTgulebas, magram raxan am Tvisebam gaimarjva, unda mivyveT. saWiroa, Cems erTgulebis Tvisebas vuerTgulo.
– warmateba da dafaseba – ras fiqrobT am cnebebze?
– warmateba saocar grZnobas iwvevs, momentia, romelsac yovelTvis gamoarCev, xolo dafaseba aucilebelia. unda daafaso is adamiani, is garemoeba, romelmac warmatebisken mimaval gzaze gatara. me am cnebebs sul sxva kuTxiT vuyureb. marTalia, warmateba bednierebis mwvervalebs cdeba, magram dafasebac aranaklebia. ver da ar unda daiviwyo is adamiani, romelmac xeli CagWida da finiSTan warbSeuxrelma migiyvana, ar maqvs survili, iseTi warmatebuli viyo, rom dafaseba damaviwydes, radgan winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, fasi daekargeba moniWebul bednierebas.
– rogor unda iwyebodes dRe, mzis amosvlas rogor unda Seegebos adamiani?
– axali dila axali imedia, axali istoriaa, romelic winaze bevrad ukeTesi unda iyos. RimiliT da bednieri saxiT unda ucqiro axlad amobrZanebul mzes, pozitiuri TvaliT unda Sexedo samyaroSi SemonaTebul axal dRes, mxrebSi unda gaimarTo da Tavidan unda daiwyo brZola ocnebebis asrulebisTvis.
– dedabunebis mimarT madliereba davkargeT da iqneb esecaa Cveni mudmivi gansacdelis mizezi?
– Cemi SexedulebiT, adamianebi umadurobis yulabad iqcnen, madlierebac dakarges da sikeTis keTebis survilic. buneba daiRala amdeni ugrZnoblobiT, grZnobaTa damarxviT da rac ki cudi xdeba Cven Tvalwin, es bunebis pasuxia. rac davimsaxureT, imas vimkiT da Tu ase gavagrZelebT, uaresis molodini unda gvqondes. gansacdelisgan Tavs ver davaRwevT, Tuki madlierebas ar viswavliT.
– roca marto rCebiT, ra aris Tqveni fiqris sagani?
– hm. . . roca marto vrCebi, vfiqrob dakargul adamianebze, romlebic cxovrebis raRac etapze SemomeZarcvnen. vfiqrob imaze, Tu raa sulis arsi da gamoZaxili, gulis cremlebze vfiqrob, bevrjer rom damiRvria, imazec vfiqrobdi xolme, rogor gavZleb fiqris unari rom wamerTvas.
– ra aqcevs, Tqveni dakvirvebiT, adamianis cxovrebas mSvenierebad?
– saintereso SekiTxvaa. mSveniereba farTo cnebaa, magram cxovreba da adamiani Tu ereva masSi, ukve sul sxva sakiTxia. sworad warmarTuli yoveldRiuroba aqcevs sicocxles mSvenierebad. darwmunebiT unda icode, ra ginda cxovrebisgan da amas zustad rom gaigeb da sisruleSi moyvanas Seecdebi, maSin mSvenierebasac Seerwymebi. rTulia, magram araa SeuZlebeli cxovrebis mSvenierebad qceva.
– sicocxle bednierebaa?
– sicocxle bednierebisa da ubedurebis Serwymaa. me ar meguleba sicocxle mxolod bednierebiT. sicocxle saCuqaria, romelic bednierebad rom gadaiqces, didxans unda CasWido xeli da gauZlo muxTal yoveldRiurobas.
– sikvdili unda gvaxsovdes?
– sikvdili Cveni yoveldRiurobis aCrdilia, romelic arasdros viciT, rodis Cagvavlebs xels da sxva samyaroSi gadagviSvebs. me vTvli, rom imdenad ar unda miuSva sicocxle, sikvdili rom dagaviwydes. gvaxsovdes, raTa vecadoT, sikvdilamde bolomde gamovicxovroT.
– pandemia – gansacdeli Tu nabiji axali samyarosken, axali Tvisobriobisken?
– epidemiam msoflio daapauza, magram bevr mniSvnelovan sakiTxze dagvafiqra. sabolood, saxlSi yofniTa da Secvlili yoveldRiurobiT CvenSi gamovqeqeT axali Tviseba da axali nabijic gadavdgiT samomavlo warmatebisken. swori gansjiT, epidemia gansacdelia, romelic davimsaxureT da romelmac adamianuri urTierToba Caylapa. epidemia is periodi aRmoCnda, romelic gansacdelis miuxedavad Tvisebebis gaRviZebaSi dagvexmara.
– xval rom gaTendeba, pirveli fraza, samyaros rom gasZaxebT?
– samyarov, damelode, svla ar Sewyvito da me mogcem magaliTs, rogor gaxdebi ukeTesi! sicocxlis siyvaruli samyaros mTavar formulas amoxsnis.
