,,ვერ მოახერხეს ,,მოდელირებული გაყალბების ქრონიკის” რეალიზება და ჩაეშალათ ცუდად მომზადებული სპექტაკლი”
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isev dgas dRis wesrigSi saqarTvelos sakanonmdeblo organos opoziciiT dakompleqtebis sakiTxi. opozicionerTa gancxadebebi erTmaneTs ewinaaRmdegeba da gaocebas iwvevs. ra xdeba am kuTxiT politikur speqtrSi da ras unda velodoT samomavlod, amaze saubrobs „aWarasTan“ interviuSi aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputati ilia verZaZe.
– batono ilia, ra komentars gaakeTebT saqarTveloSi mimdinare politikur procesebze, kerZod, parlamentsa da umaRles sabWoSi Sesvla-arSesvlasTan dakavSirebiT?
– zogadad, am Temaze adrec gavakeTe komentari da minda giTxraT, mas Semdeg igive procesebi mimdinareobs. msgavsi demarSebi, sakanonmdeblo organoSi arSesvlasTan dakavSirebiT absoluturad gaugebari da aralogikuria. savaraudod, am azramde mividnen „respublikelebic“. pirobas miyeneb, Tumca am pirobis Sesrulebis SesaZlebloba ar maqvs Sesabamisi qvorumis ararsebobis gamo. albaT, am Temaze daiwyes msjeloba „respublikelebmac“ da mividnen parlamentSi Sesvlis aucileblobamde.
– xaTuna samniZis gancxadebiT, mxolod erTdRian Sesvlazea saubari.
– es araseriozul gancxadebad mimaCnia da ara mxolod me, sxvebsac. aq, an unda Sexvide da gaTavisuflde im marwuxebisa da bulingisgan, rasac awarmoebs „nacionaluri moZraobis“ da misi ganayofebis wevrTa erTi jgufi patara partiebis mimarT, an Tavi daanebo populizmze gaTvlil gancxadebebs. Tumca, vfiqrob, es mcire gabrZolebebi mainc pozitiuri movlenaa. darwmunebuli var, civilizebuli sazogadoebisTvis misaRebi da sajarod gaJRerebuli saRi azri miaRwevs adresatamde da sworad gaigebs opozicia, rasac sTavazobs mas mmarTveli gundi.
– nika melias giraos Taobaze agorebuli talRis Sesaxeb ras gvetyviT?
– simarTle giTxraT, naklebad mainteresebs nika melias pozicia. vTvli, kanonis winaSe yvela Tanabaria da Tanabradac unda agos pasuxi. mTeli es istoria TiTidan gamowovili ufroa. gamodis, sxva muxti veRar naxes xalxis asaRelveblad. ver daajeres arCevnebis gayalbebaSi, verc qveynis dapauzebaSi, verc mTavrobis korumpirebulobaSi da a.S. axla quCaSi mosaxleobis gamoyvanas gegmaven melias mier Tanxis gadaxda-argadaxdis gamo? vis ainteresebs es, an ras amtkiceben amiT, rom saxelmwifos ar unda gadauxado kanoniT gaTvaliswinebuli Tanxa, ar daemorCilo da amiT dazaralebulis, wamebulis statusi miiRo? aqve isic gaixseneT, ras kadruloben da rogor mesijebs isvrian civilizebuli samyaros misamarTiT, vgulisxmob diplomatiuri misiebis lanZRvas, sxva qveynebis warmomadgenelTa dadanaSaulebas da a.S. arc is dagaviwydeT, rom qveynis SigniTac lamis ganulebuli aqvT reitingi. am sakiTxze adamianebis adekvaturi reagireba maZlevs imis Tqmis saSualebas, rom „nacionalebs“ ar gamouvaT nika melias gmirad Seracxvis scenaris gaTamaSeba. vfiqrob, yvela kargad gaacnobierebs imas, rom kanonis moTxovnaTa Seusruleblobis Sesaxeb sajarod gancxadeba, Tanac winswrebiT, aseve qmedebebi, romlebic pirdapir arRvevs kanons, aris damazianebeli saxelmwifosTvis da ukanonobis pirdapiri mowodebaa.
– aWaraSi mimdinare saprotesto aqciebze ras gvetyviT?
– Cven maqsimalurad vcdilobT yvelafris mogvarebas, magram xelis erTi mosmiT es ver xerxdeba. gvinda sazogadoebam naTlad dainaxos, rasTan gvaqvs saqme. kargad Cans, rom opoziciisTvis rTulia imis danaxva, rom misi sicrue ver iyideba, magram mainc jiutad agrZelebs destruqcias. vfiqrob, opoziciis lustracia mimdinareobs. yvela xvdeba, raSia saqme. ar aris me-19 saukune, rom SeZlo faqtebis damalva da politikis mxolod emociebze ageba.
– maT miaCniaT, rom sargebloben sityvis TavisuflebiT.
– swored magas vgulisxmob. dRes yvelas SeuZlia internetis saSualebiT gaecnos, ras niSnavs sityvis da gamoxatvis Tavisufleba. es aris politikuri sityvisa da debatebis Tavisufleba, cenzuris akrZalva, informaciis mopovebis, damuSavebisa da gavrcelebis Tavisufleba, rac aranairad ar gulisxmobs savaWro obieqtis gaxsnas, sportuli moednis mowyobas, lanZRva-ginebas, qonebis dazianebas, fizikur Seuracxyofas. dRes mxolod faqtebze unda vakeToT komentari. imedi maqvs, xalxi sabolood gaiTavisebs arsebul realobas da milevad reJimSi darCeba destruqciuli Zalebis mier mowyobili saprotesto aqciebi, romlebsac safuZveli ar hqonda da ar aqvs. mosaxleoba kargad xedavs, rasac vakeTebT da rac gasakeTebeli gvaqvs. amasac vaanonsebT da vaTariRebT, raTa pretenziebi ar gaCndes.
– vaqcinaciis procesis sawyisi etapi sakmaod mtkivneuli gaxda saqarTvelosTvis. bevri ambobs, rom acras ar gaikeTebs, radgan ar aris darwmunebuli mis xarisxSi.
– ramdenime kviraSi iwyeba vaqcinacia, yvelaferi aris gawerili janmos rekomendaciebis gaTvaliswinebiT. misive rekomendaciiT miRebulia gadawyvetileba, rom vaqcinacia komerciuli xaziT ar wavides, raTa mdidarma qveynebma naklebad SeZlebuli qveynebi ar daCagron. aq mTavaria is, rom xarisxi iyos daculi da rigiToba – prioritetebis mixedviT gansazRvruli. yvelafer amas, mowinave, civilizebuli sazogadoeba Sesabamisi institutebis saSualebiT awesrigebs. saqarTvelos pandemiasTan brZolis kuTxiT Rirseuli adgili uWiravs msoflio TanamegobrobaSi Tavisi midgomebiTa da ganxorcielebuli politikiT. Cveni mTavrobis yvela qmedeba CaiTvala maRalkvalificiurad da efeqturad, is Cavardna rom ara, axla gadafarvas rom cdiloben. . .
– ras gulisxmobT?
– kovidis gavrcelebis tempebis katastroful zrdas, romelic kovidstatistikis mixedviT, zustad emTxveva im periods, gaukontrolebeli da yovelgvari wesebis dacvis gareSe saprotesto aqciebi rom gamarTa opoziciam qveynis masStabiT. gaxsovT yvelas, ra mcire iyo kovidis gavrcelebis areali, sikvdilianobis SemTxvevebi, Semdeg ki erTbaSad ifeTqa swored opoziciis mowodebebis kvaldakval, xmamaRla rom gahyvirodnen, ar arsebobs virusi, gareT gamodiT da demonstrantebs SemouerTdiTo. es Cavardna rom ara, danarCen periodSi, saqarTvelos mTavrobam SeZlo gaekeTebina is, rac msoflios mowinave qveynebma ver SeZles. es yvelaferi kargad ician saerTaSoriso organizaciebSi da xels gviwyoben vaqcinaciis droulad organizebaSi.
– SezRudvebma Tu Seasrula dakisrebuli roli?
– ki, ukve aSkarad iklo davirusebulTa ricxvma. raRac CarCoSi moeqca dasnebovnebis procesi. dResac, gamokvleulTa Soris dainficirebis maCvenebeli, mgoni, 2%-mde Semcirda. rac Seexeba vaqcinis xarisxs, vfiqrob, aranair Cinur d rusul vaqcinaze saubari ar aris.
– mainc, romeli vaqcina jobia?
– vaqcinis xarisxi ganisazRvreba sertificirebiT. aq mTavaria, janmos mier iyos Semowmebuli da gavlili hqondes gamocdisTvis savaldebulo fazebi. male wamlebis registraciasac velodebiT. gamoCndeba medikamentebi, romlebiTac umkurnaleben kovidiT dasnebovnebulT. janmos rekomendaciebis da Sesabamisi sertificirebis Semdeg aseTi wamlebi saafTiaqo qselSic iqneba xelmisawvdomi, sabolood ki dasruldeba pandemia da cxovreba Cveul ritmSi Cadgeba.
– aWaris umaRlesma sabWom biujeti miiRo. ra cvlilebebi ganicada virusis gaTvaliswinebiT?
– samedicino kuTxiT biujeti ar Semcirebula. Semcirda im proeqtebis dafinanseba, romelebic TavisTavad Camocilda aqtiur fazas da romelTa SeCerebac SesaZlebeli iyo. SenarCunebuli da gaumjobesebulia adamianebze zrunvisTvis aucilebeli socialuri, saganmanaTleblo, jandacvis paketebi da qveynis ganviTarebisTvis aucilebeli proeqtebi.
– elodebiT Tu ara turistuli sezonis uproblemod gaxsnas?
– turizmis gamococxlebas win araferi udgas. informaciac da prognozic iseTia, rom mxolod da mxolod pirovnul gadawyvetilebebze iqneba damokidebuli sezonis warmatebulad Catareba. anu vin airCevs saqarTvelos mogzaurobisTvis. am mxriv, vfiqrob, iseve rogorc sainvesticio garemos kuTxiT, saqarTvelos kargi poziciebi aqvs. rogorc iciT, regionis zogierTi qveynisgan gansxvavebiT, Cveni sakredito reitingi ucvleli darCa, rac kargi signalia biznesisTvis. aseve, saqarTvelo erT-erTi pirvelia, romelmac liberaluri midgoma airCia vaqcinirebuli turistebis miRebis mxriv.
– vaqcinaciis paralelurad, socialuri daxmarebebis gacema SenarCundeba?
– is, rac socialuris kuTxiT, sasursaTo kalaTas vgulisxmob, aisaxa biujetSi, cxadia, SenarCundeba. es xarjebi ukve gaTvaliswinebulia momavali wlisTvis da ar gauqmdeba manam, sanam sxva gadawyvetileba ar iqneba miRebuli. amis Semdegac sakmao dro dagvWirdeba ekonomikis dastabilurebisTvis. SezRudvebis moxsnas rac Seexeba, sxvadasxva qveyanas sxvadasxva praqtika aqvs. zogierT qveyanaSi axla gaamkacres zomebi, radgan maT Tavisi monacemebi da statistika aqvT, Cven – SezRudvebis Semsubuqebas vapirebT. Tuki rame SegnebiT an Seugneblad ar moxda, kovidviTarebis ganmuxtvas veliT. ase rom, am mimarTulebiT, prognozi optimisturia, Tumca aqac unda gaviTvaliswinoT janmos rekomendacia SezRudvebis TndaTan da ara – erTbaSad moxsnis Taobaze.
– dResdReobiT ra mTavari problemis winaSe dgas Cveni sazogadoeba?
– ZiriTad problemad mainc politikuri daZabuloba mimaCnia, romelsac xelovnurad qmnis da asazrdoebs opozicia da masTan afilirebuli mediasaSualebebi. azris da emociebis gamoxatvis Tavisufleba nebismiers gvaqvs, anu yvelas aqvs ufleba hqondes sakuTari azri, xolo Tuki es azri da pozicia sxvebisas ar emTxveva, amis xazgasasmelad aqciebis gamarTva ar aris aucilebeli. uamravi telegadacema, brifingi da werili daeTmo arCevnebis gayalbeba-argayalbebis Temas, magram mainc igive talRaze trialebs dapirispireba. ukve cxadi gaxda isic, rom disbalansi sxvaa da gayalbeba – sxva. ase rom, ver moaxerxes modelirebuli gayalbebis qronikis realizeba da CaeSalaT cudad momzadebuli speqtakli. axla, am gadasaxedidan rom vaanalizeb movlenebs, kargad Cans da amas xedavs sazogadoebac, rom mTeli am procesis safuZveli tyuilze yofila dafuZnebuli. pirveli saprotesto aqciebi amis gamo agorda. TandaTan saerTaSoriso da adgilobrivma sazogadoebam daijera, rom xmebi ar gayalbebula, rasac adasturebs asi procentiT xelmowerili oqmebi da ar dawerila amaze arcerTi saCivari. axla isev ar daviwyeb dakonkretebas, saTqmeli araerTxel davafiqsire, ubralod, SevuerTdebi Cveni ucxoeli partniorebis mowodebas da vityvi – Tu qveynis ganviTarebis procesis gagrZeleba gvinda, unda davemorCiloT da pativi vceT kanons.