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gana SeiZleba ar daeTanxmo am sityvebs, romlebic cnobilma poetma, publicistma, quTaisis sapatio moqalaqem, qalbatonma cira SalaSvilma gulRia da saintereso saubrisas gviTxra. mis unatifes leqsebs, romans (,,wvimebis sezoni~) da publicistikas araerTxel SeuZravs mkiTxveli, swored am rCeul xelovans unda SegaxvedroT, Cveno mkiTxvelo.
– modiT, gadavxedoT Tqvens warsuls, fesvebi moigoneT . . .
– Cemi fesvebi kaxeTSia. iq davibade, kavkasionis ZirSi mofenil sofelSi. Wikaani hqvia am sofels. yvarlis raionSia (municipalitets isev raioni mirCevnia). Cemi gvari ki veliscixidan iwyeba, ufro swori iqneba, albaT, vTqva, rom Cemi gvariT iwyeba veliscixe. sxvaTa Soris, es sofeli jer kidev me-5 saukuneSi mniSvnelovani forposti gaxldaT im saqaravno gzaze, „abreSumisas~ rom uwodeben.
Tqmulebis mixedviT, samma monadirem – Salam, mamisam da sesiam, alaznis WalebSi nadirobisas, mSvenier, mwvaned xasxasa velze, cixe-koSki SeniSna, aravin Canda irgvliv, etyoboda, rom didi xnis winaT mietovebinaT. ise moewonaT es mSvenieri adgili monadireebs, iqve gadawyvites dasaxleba. ase gaCnda veliscixe da ase gaCndnen SalaSvilebi, mamisaSvilebi da sesiaSvilebi.
erT-erTi versiis Tanaxmad, meoTxec miemataT saidanRac. cxenebze isxdnen, Soridan qveiTis Zaxili rom moesmaT, maTken modioda da xelSi daWrili kakabi eWira. ra Tqma unda, kakabaZeebis winaparzea laparaki. samwuxaroa, rom dReisTvis 67 adamianiRa darCa Cemi gvaris matarebeli. mamaCemi veliscixidan iyo. Semdeg garkveuli mizezebis gamo aRmoCnda, rom me iq davibade, sadac ukve giTxariT, skolac iqve davamTavre. ase rom, kaxeTidan viwyebi, rogorc pirovneba da moqalaqe, kaxeTidan iwyeba CemTvis dedamiwac da samSobloc.
miuxedavad imisa, rom skolaSi xuTze naklebi niSani me-9 klasamde (10-wliani kursi iyo) ar mimiRia (isic imitom, rom sxva interesebic aRmovaCine CemSi), amorCeuli profesia ar mqonia – xan msaxioboba mindoda (leila abaSiZe iyo maSin yuradRebis centrSi da `maia wyneTelis~ gadaRebac, nawilobriv, yvarelSi midioda). eqimoba Cemebs undodaT, mere inJinrobaze SevCerdi. politeqnikur institutSi msubuqi mrewvelobis fakultetze Cavabare. es is droa, `gepei~ rom zenitSia da quTaisSi ixsneba misi filiali, Tanac, maincadamainc, msubuqi mrewvelobis fakulteti, ase aRmovCndi am qalaqSi da dRemde aqa var, Tumca mainc vaxerxeb, ukaxeTod ar viyo. metismetad rom gadaviRlebi yoveldRiuri uazrobebiT, mainc iq gavrbivar sulis mosaTqmelad. iq Cemi bavSvoba da dedis saflavi melodeba.
– rogoria iseT uZveles, didi istoriis qalaqSi cxovreba, rogoric quTaisia, Tqven da quTaisi, Semdeg baTumsac gadmoxedeT . . .
– quTaisi Zveli inerciiT arsebobs. mindoda damewera, cocxlobs-meTqi, magram naklebad igrZnoba aq sicocxle. rogorc Cans, msoflio mdgomareobamac Seuwyo xeli yovelives. `Cemi quTaisi~, iseve, rogorc bevris, sul sxvanairi iyo, sxvaniri iyo damokidebulebac, urTierTobac, sicocxlis xalisic . . . sxva stimulebi gvqonda, sxva motivacia (rogorc amboben dRes). zogjer vfiqrob, rom wlebis momatebis bralicaa Cemi nostalgia. magram ara, ar vcdebi! axalgazrdobac aRar aris TiTqos iseTi, Cemi da Cemi Svilebis Taobebi rom maxsovs – ocnebebiT, imedebiT, survilebiT savseebi, laRebi da ara daTrgunulebi, Tundac im sawyal 90-ianebSi. baTums sxva problemebi aqvs, quTaisisagan gansxvavebiT, metismetad aCqarebuli pulsi gauxda, arabunebrivad aCqarebuli, Tanac – araqarTulad, ase mgonia, Segnebulad gamoacales suli quTaissac, baTumsac, gamoacales, rac maTi iyo, mxolod maTi, sxvisi rom ver iqneboda verasodes . . . ucxosaviT davdivar axla quTaisis quCebSi, baTumis quCebSi . . . . TiTqos, raRac keTdeba, raRac Sendeba, icvleba da minda Tavi vinugeSo, rom kargia, Tanamedrovea es yvelaferi, magram . . . ngreva SenebiTac SeiZleba da SeiZleba, aTjer da aTasjer metadac . . .
quTaisSi moZraobis aseTi tempi ar igrZnoba. TiTqos raRac mokvda, miinavla da warsulis Suq-CrdilebSi miimala…
mgoni, depresia mewyeba!
– `ocnebas sulis energia aniWebs Zalas~, – werT erTgan. meocnebe adamianebi gaaqro am dro-Jamma, es ras gamoiwvevs?
– meocnebe adamiani SeiZleba ar gamqrala, magram ra aris maTi ocnebis sagani, isaa sakiTxavi! ai, axla, gareT rom gaxvideT da saxalxo gamokiTxva moawyoT, ra suraTs miiRebT, winaswar vici. anda, ra saWiroa gamokiTxva! yoveldRiurad ramden vinmes xvdebiT iseTs, maTi survilebisa da ocnebebis Sesaxeb rom iciT?! bevrs, xom?! maTi ocnebis sagani materialurs ar Sordeba! – saxli, aveji, samsaxuri, manqana, Tanamdeboba, mogzauroba da a.S. da a.S.
da sul esaa? amisTvis Rirda amqveynad mosvla?!
bevri gaikvirvebs – aba, risTviso! metismetad miwierebi gavxdiT, erTpolusianebi, sakuTari TaviT viwyebT da vasrulebT yovel dRes. ise vyavarT Tavis mklavebSi moqceuli Cvens egos. Znelia misgan Tavis daRweva, survilic rom gauCndes vinmes. sulis energiac, Sesabamisad, aRarsad Cans, mimqralia.
– ,,33-ve bgeriT yvirili~ _ Tqvenma am leqsma farTo gamoxmaureba hpova, ram STagagonaT igi?
– imdeni tkivili aqvs qveyanas, romelic Cveni samSobloa, zogjer mgonia, sunTqvaSekrulia da amosunTqvas veRar axerxebs . . . ucnauri bedi gvaqvs qarTvelebs – erTi Taobis sicocxle Zalian mcirea qveynis tkivilebis mosaSuSeblad, erTs rom moarCen, aTi iara ixsneba kidev da kidev . . . Tumca, an is Taobebi sad arian, qveynis kurnebisaTvis rom iyvnen ganwyobilni! me mjera bedisweris! rogorc adamians, qveyanasac aweria Tavisi bedi . . .
– pandemiam onlainurTierTobebze gadagviyvana, rogorc ambobT, `onlainwuTisoflad~ aqcia irgvliveTi, rogor SevinarCunoT am etapze Tanalmobisa da urTierTsiyvarulis grZnoba?
– ho, „onlainwuTisofeli~ dRevandelobis maxasiaTebelia, ra Tqma unda, is kidev ufro metad aucxoebs adamianebs da acivebs grZnobebs – gulgriloba dRes upirvelesi saSiSroebaa adamianTa modgmisaTvis, Tumca mainc vxedav da vgrZnob, aqa-iq, Tu yvelgan ara, Tbil xelebs, cxel guls, TanagrZnobis Rimils, siyvarulsac – bolos da bolos, rogor gaielvebs xolme da imedic Cndeba, rom sicocxle ver iarsebebs maT gareSe, sicocxlis gaqrobas ki arc misi Semoqmedi dauSvebs.
– `xandaxan Ramis martoobiT savse ca CemTan Cumad Semodis da mSvenier Tavs mxrebze mayrdnobs~, an kidev – `foToli mekvreba Cumad da meubneba CurCuliT: mtkiva~, – bunebis aseTi aRqma da gancda gamogarCevT swored . . . rogor fiqrobT, ramdenad gansazRvravs Cvens cxovrebas bunebasTan urTierToba?
– Cvenc xom bunebis nawili varT! samyaroseuli erTianoba mxolod Zlieri kataklizmebiT ki ar irRveva, TiToeuli Cvenganis arabunebriobiTac! am sayovelTao pandemiis dros mainc unda mivmxdariyaviT amas, Cven ki mainc Zvleburad vagrZelebT yofas. „Zveleburad~ ki ukve aRaraferi iqneba. kosmosma ukve CarTo TviTganwmendis kodi da aSkaraa, dedamiwa moiSorebs bevr iseT rames, Cvenc gagvikvirdeba. rac Seexeba leqsebs – buneba rom poetia, iseTi vinaa?! is sul gesaubreba, geCurCuleba, „samkiTxao cas~ gadagiSlis xeebi, balaxi, foTlebi, Citebi, „cis frinvelebi, saerTod, cxovelebic ki . . . maTi Tvalebi . . weliwadis droebi . . . wvima, qari, Tovli, Rrublebi . . . mTebi . . . mdinareebi, zRvebi . . . gamudmebiT gvkarnaxoben sityvebs, ferebs, bgerebs, azrebs . . . es kosmiuri xmaa, unda ismino da Senad daigulo, radgan uimaTod Sen aravin xar, sul aravin da araferi! es Cveni bibliuri enaa, deda ena! ar SeiZleba umisod arseboba, umisod, ubralod, adamiani ar gqvia. ase mgonia, is CasaxvisTanave gveZleva, Tumca, misi swavlac SeiZleba, oRond Seni gauxeSebuli da gadagvarebuli smena unda ganiwmindo yofierebis xorklisa da qerqisagan da moismino, Seismino, gaiazro . . . sadac unda gaiqce, sadac unda gafrinde, Sens Tavs xom versad gaeqcevi?! asea bunebasTanac. sadac Uunda waxvide da rasac unda miaRwio, bunebis nawilad rCebi da Seni bunebrivi valia, misi jansaRi nawili iyo, suliT jansaRi nawili. me mesmis bunebis xma, Tumca meti minda mesmodes . . . . arasodes wavuyrueb mas, yovel SemTxvevaSi, vcdilob!
– yofis da irealobis zRvarzea mudam poeti? migaCniaT, rom xarT samyaros didi wignis `gardamTqmeli?~ `me galobisTvis viyav mosuli~ . . . roca amas Citze werT, poets gulisxmobT?
– ufro swori iqneboda – warmosaxvasa da realobas Soris. is, umetesad, Tavis warmosaxvaSi cxovrobs da realuri yofa safanelia mxolod miseuli xilvebisaTvis. samyaros didi wignis damoukidebeli furclebi varT yvelani, gansxvaveba isaa, carielia es furclebi Tu savse da es sisavse rogoria, Cvenive xeliT Sevsebuli . . .
– rogor fiqrobT, Cvens sazogadoebaSi yvelaze metad risi krizisi iCens Tavs?
– sulieri siRatakis! adamianma TviTon Zarcva Tavisi Tavi siyvarulisgan, erTgulebisgan, saTnoebisagan . . . Zarcva da samagierod, miiRo is mdgomareoba, rogorSicaa! ukan unda davbrundeT, Cvens bunebriv sawyiss unda davubrundeT . . .
– amboben, rom wignis sididis sazomi isaa, ramdenad didia sevda wignis dasrulebis Semdeg, eTanxmebiT? romel wignebs daasaxelebdiT?
– nebismieri „didi~ wigni, sevdiania. erT periodSi, erTi mamakacis xibli momeZala, gansakuTrebul siaxloves vgrZnobdi TiTqos, magram mainc iyo raRac, saSualebas rom ar maZlevda, ufro axlos vyofiliyavi. vifiqre, vifiqre da im daskvnamde mivedi, rom mas sevda ar hqonda, adamianuri sevdis natamali ar gaaCnda, gamudmebiT maJorSi yofna ki Cemi namdvilad ar iyo. romeli wigni aviRo! magaliTad, „don-kixoti!~ sevda ar aris ki ara, iseT sulier wiaRs swvdeba, aRar ici, ra qna! raRa Sors mivdivarT – oTar WilaZesTan, nodar dumbaZesTan, rezo inaniSvilTan, goderZi CoxelTan ramdeni sevdaa. poezia xom sevdis gareSe warmoudgenelia . . . sevda adamianuria, zogjer RvTiuric!
– adamianis RirsebaTa Soris upirvelesad ras miiCnevT?
– Rirseba, Cemi azriT, ar nawevrdeba! am erTobliobaSi pirveli da meore ar arsebobs. roca vambobT – Rirseuli adamiani! – vgulisxmobT masSi arsebul im Tvisebebs, rac mis pirovnebas qmnis. Cvens pirovnulobisagan ganZarcul droSi, marTalia, naklebad moiZebnebian, magram SexedvisTanave cnob maT. Seni Sinagani xma gkarnaxobs. adamianis RirsebisaTvis damaxasiaTebeli Tvisebebi ki misi bunebrioba, siwrfele, ubraloeba, moyvasis siyvaruli, saTnoeba, moqalaqeobrioba, sikeTis qmnadobaa ganaTlebulobasTan erTad.
– Cven gvZinavs ukve karga xania, ram gamogvaRviZos? Tqveni sityvebiT rom vTqvaT, `xsovnaSi darCenili qveyana~ rogor gamovacocxloT?
– unda gaviRviZoT! Tumca, amdeni xniT Zilmivardnilebi da viRacisagan ZaliT gamoRviZebulebi naklebmoqmedni iqnebian da bevrs verafers SeZleben, magram mainc! gamoRviZebis mere sifxizle modis da iqneb, iman mainc gagvaxsenos Cveni Tavi! vin viyaviT, vin varT, anda vin SeiZleba viyoT . . . Tu viqnebiT, saerTod!
– ra SevinarCunoT, ra ugulebelvyoT . . . ra aris am etapze erisTvis umTavresi?
– rac unda gviyvardes Cveni qveyana da rac unda migvaCndes, rom dedamiwaze gaCenili pirveli eri varT pirvelTa Soris, mainc unda vTqvaT, rom imdeni nakli gvaqvs tradiciad qceuli, misgan gaTavisufleba, miT umetes, dRevandel, aRreul yofaSi, albaT, Znelze Zneli iqneba. tradiciebs yofa qmnis. Cveni arsebuli yofa ki saxelwodebasac ver imsaxurebs „qaosis~ garda… magram me mainc gamovarCev qarTul cnobierebasa da xasiaTSi Camalul erT Tvisebas, romelic cxovrebas Tavis naTels hfenda da yofnasac sixarulis elfers aZlevda.
gulmowyalebas vgulisxmob. dRevandelobas Zalian gamoadgeboda igi, es Tanagancdaa, anu ori perangi Tu gaqvs, erTi rom unda gasce. Tumca es Tviseba sulieri saTnoebis gareSe ver iarsebebs.
– rogor daakvalianebdiT axalgazrdobas, momaval mwerlebs?
– qarTul literaturul sivrceSi avtorTa moZalebaa. isini bevrni arian, Zalian bevrni da yvela, ra Tqma unda, TviTdamkvidrebas cdilobs, magram rogor! xSirad vkiTxulob maT, ubralod ki ara, – mainteresebs, ra sulieri RirebulebebiT modian, ra awuxebT, ra stkivaT, risken iltvian . . . ZiriTadad, `verlibriT~ weren, Tumca, xSirad, arc Tavisufali leqsia da arc leqsia, saerTod. am gagebiT, gamsaxurdias `didostatis marjvena~ Tamamad SegviZlia CavTvaloT `verlibrad~! xSirad, ise erTnairia maTi ganwyoba, gadmocemis manera, Tavisuflad SegiZlia, gaagrZelo da gaagrZelo, erTmaneTis miyolebiT ikiTxo sxvadasxva avtori da verc ki mixvde gansxvavebas. msgavseba da monotonuroba, vfiqrob, maTi naklia. minda vuTxra maT, rom sulac ar aris aucilebeli, leqsad weron ambavi, amisTvis sxva Janrebic aqvs literaturas – moTxroba, novela, ambavi, legenda . . . romanic, bolos da bolos. Cemi azriT, xelovnebaSi damkvidrebisaTvis, aucilebelia sakuTari xmis, feris, bgeris, formis, stilis povna da masTan erToblioba. aravin ifiqros, rom vinmes Wkuas vaswavli da morals vukiTxav, dResac dawyebiTi skolis mowafesaviT vdgavar im didi maestros winaSe, poezia rom hqvia!
– kiTxva, romelic unda daisvas?
– „Tu arc abelad, arca qristed, arca iobad, – maS, saiT iltvis, ase JiniT, ase velurad.
es – dedakacis fexebSua gamomZvrali kacobrioba~!
