,,ნუთუ დაავიწყდა ყველას, რას და როგორ აკეთებდნენ, ნუთუ აღარ ახსოვთ, რატომ აღდგა მოსახლეობა ,,ნაციონალების” რეჟიმის წინააღმდეგ?!”
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aWaris umaRles sabWoSi aqtiurad muSaoben, sxvadasxva sakanonmdeblo sakiTxze da yovelmxriv cdiloben, xeli Seuwyon mosaxleobas rigi problemis mogvarebaSi.
ra keTdeba am kuTxiT aWaris umaRles sabWoSi, ra miRwevebi da gegmebi aqvT, amaze da mimdinare rTul politikur procesebze saubrobs `aWarasTan~ interviuSi umaRlesi sabWos fraqcia `qarTuli ocneba-demokratiuli saqarTvelos~ Tavmjdomare giorgi manveliZe.
– batono giorgi, daviwyoT politikuri krizisiT, romelic TandaTan mZafrdeba qveyanaSi da ris Sedegadac, lamis erTpartiuli parlamenti da umaRlesi sabWo SegvrCa xelT.
– minda giTxraT, rom arc parlamentia erTpartiuli da arc umaRlesi sabWo. qveynis sakanonmdeblo organoSi ukve Sesulia ramdenime partia, xolo Cven erTi subieqti dagvemata, ramac daarRvia miTi erTpartiulobis Sesaxeb. gamarjvebulma partiebma rom boikoti gamoacxades da ar inebes sakanonmdeblo organoebSi Sesvla, maTi gadawyvetilebaa, romelic, imedi gvaqvs, male dakargavs aqtualobas da opoziciac daikavebs kuTvnil adgilebs. rac Seexeba politikur kriziss da parlamentis muSaobis Cagdebis mcdelobas, mTlianad `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ damsaxurebaa. qveyanaSi ekonomikur-socialuri krizisis SeqmniTac swored is aris dainteresebuli, rasac arc malavs.
– aqedan gamomdinare, ra gadawyvita aWaris umaRlesma sabWom, apirebs opoziciis deputatebisTvis uflebamosilebis Sewyvetas?
– reglamenti gvaZlevs saSualebas, sanam ar miva opozicia-pozicia konkretul SeTanxmebamde, ar miviRoT gadawyvetileba uflebamosilebis Sewyvetis Taobaze. jerjerobiT, SeTanxmeba mmarTvel gundsa da gaerTianebul opozicias Soris ar Semdgara, ris gamoc, arc Cven vdgamT raime nabijs am mimarTulebiT.
– opoziciis deputatebi, romlebic ar modian, xelfass iReben?
– es ukve maT moralzea damokidebuli.
– ise, ewerebaT xelfasi?
– ra Tqma unda, ewerebaT, xolo iReben Tu ara, verafers getyviT, sxvis jibeSi ar viyurebi, Tanac, namdvilad ar var saqmis kursSi.
– fraqcia `qarTuli ocneba – demokratiuli saqarTvelos~ Tavmjdomare mamuka mdinaraZem ganacxada, rom opozicia xelisuflebasTan molaparakebis procesSi garkveul daTmobebze wava im 6-punqtiani SeTanxmebis gamo, romelic Sarl miSelma datova saqarTveloSi vizitisas.
– diax, mdinaraZem aRniSna, rom 6-punqtiani dokumentidan, rac axla molaparakebis magidaze devs, garkveul sakiTxebze msjeloba gagrZeldeba. Cven vvaraudobT, uaxloes dReebSi, opoziciis warmomadgenlebi garkveul kompromisul nabijs gadmodgamen da konkretul winadadebebs daayeneben.
– opozicia ki Tvlis, rom Tqven waxvalT daTmobebze. . .
– aris sakiTxebi, razec msjeloba SeuZlebelia, Tumca aris iseTic, romelic ukve realizebulia, magaliTad, saarCevno reforma. plebisciti aris warmoudgeneli winadadeba, `wiTeli xazi~ da amas `qarTuli ocneba~ ar daTanxmdeba, es araracionaluri nabijia. molaparakebisTvis ukve mzad varT, magram ar unda gadaikveTos `wiTeli xazebi~. igive RaribaSvilis gadadgomaze saubari ras mogvitans, ver vxvdebi, an – politikur patimrebze. ras niSnavs politikuri patimari? dResdReobiT, sabednierod, saqarTveloSi ar gvayvs politikuri patimrebi. msgavsi statusi ar arsebobs da verc warmomidgenia, iarsebos demokratiul qveyanaSi.
– Tqven iciT, rom ruruasa da meliazea saubari.
– arseboben adamianebi, romlebic politikaSi arian, magram kanoni Selaxes, anu elementarulad, damnaSaveebi arian. ra vqnaT, radgan kanons gadaabijes, ar davapatimroT da sasamarTlomde ar miviyvanoT? es ra gamova, demokratiis samarTali Tu usamarTloba? amas vambob, aris raRacebi, razec unda SevCerdeT. yvelam kargad icis, am or adamians raSi edeba brali da ratom daapatimres. es gamowveva ufro iyo melias mxridan, vidre danaSauli. melia gawira sakuTarma partiam da daakisra politikuri patimris roli, raTa Semdeg areuloba da daZabuloba gamoewvia, magram xalxma kargad icis, ra rogoraa da ver gamouvidaT misgan gmiris da wamebulis portretis Seqmna. kidev erTxel vimeoreb, danaSave, Cveni partiis wevri iqneba Tu maTi, unda daisajos, cxadia, kanonis mixedviT da es aRaraa sakamaTo.
– ra Temebze muSaobT axla umaRles sabWoSi?
– mmarTveli gundi erTi fraqciiTaa warmodgenili, romelic Zalian kvalificiuri kadrebiTaa dakompleqtebuli, rogorc dargobirivi, ise politikuri mimarTulebiT. aprilidan, vapirebT mosaxleobaSi gasvlas, informaciis Segrovebas arsebuli problemebis Sesaxeb, gavaanalizebT da gadasaWrel sakiTxebs mivitanT aRmasrulebel rgolTan Semdgomi reagirebisTvis. erToblivad vmuSaobT aRmasrulebeli da sakanonmdeblo struqtura, radgan bevri socialuri problema warmoiqmna msoflio pandemiis gamo dawesebuli SezRudvebis kvaldakval. yvelafers unda Seswavla da daxarisxeba, raTa aramxolod erT adamians, gasaWiris mqone pirTa jgufs davexmaroT. vcdilobT araferi gamogvrCes, detalurad ganvixiloT yvela sakiTxi.
– ZiriTadad, ra saxis problemebi awuxebs mosaxleobas?
– ra Tqma unda, umuSevroba. yvelaferi es gamoiwvia SezRudvebma da turizmis Seferxebam, rac mTeli msofliosTvis did gamowvevad iqca. Tqven kargad iciT, rom swored es dargi awvdida mniSvnelovan Semosavals aWaras, baTums, xolo turistebis nakadis Sewyvetam rTul mdgomareobaSi Caagdo rogorc biznesi, ise kerZo seqtori.
– Tuki ar SeCerda pandemia, turistebs ver moviwvevT, miT umetes, ucxoeTidan.
– aucilebelia SevimuSaoT usafrTxo turizmis ZiriTadi aspeqtebi, radgan Cven swored am kuTxiT gvaqvs didi potenciali. nel-nela unda avamuSavoT gestT hausebi, sastumroebi, kafe-restornebi. yvelaferTan erTad ki zedmiwevniT davicvaT jandacvis mier SemuSavebuli usafrToxebis rekomendaciebi, radgan ekonomika didxans ver gauZlebs umoqmedobas.
– diax, biznes-seqtori da gansakuTrebiT restoratorTa asociacia aqveynebs SemaSfoTebel, daxuruli da gakotrebuli obieqtebis statistikas.
– yvelas unazRaurdeba zarali. mTavrobam SeimuSava Zalian kargi saSeRavaTo sistema, romelic exmareba biznesmenebs stabiluri finansuri mdgomareobis SenarCunebaSi. ra Tqma unda, iseT maRal Semosavals ver Rebuloben, rogorc adre, magram arsebul viTarebaSi, mTavaria gadavrCeT minimaluri zianiT da saerTod ar davkargoT yvelaferi. Cveni qveyana ekonomikurad isedac susti iyo, axlandelma pandemiam ki mTeli msoflio gaaCera da ra gasakviria, Tu Cvenc gagvirTulda situacia, magram gvaqvs iseTi dargebi, romlebic dagvexmareba ekonomikis aRdgenaSi. mTavaria, vimuSaoT eqsportze, Rvinis, mineraluri wylebis Tu ekologiuri sursaTis ucxoeTSi gagzavnaze.
– arsebulma viTarebam yvelas daanaxa, rom turizmi sakmaod myife dargia, romelic ver uZlebs minimalur arastabilurobasac ki. aqedan gamomdinare, raze unda gakeTdes aqcenti?
– turizmi unda aRdges Tavisi damxmare meurneobebiT, rac isev da isev, Cvens mosaxleobas daasaqmebs da miscems Semosavals. pandemiis dawyebidan Zalian male, mTavrobam izruna soflis meurneobis xelSewyobazec. aamoqmeda ufaso xvna-Tesvis da nergebis Tu CiTilebis darigebis programa, romelmac marTlac kargad imuSava. Sedegad, sakmaod kargi mosavali miviReT, ramac gamoiwvia xil-bostneulis fasebis mkveTri vardna Sida bazarze. Tavad daakvirdiT, ra Rirda adre kartofili an kitri, pomidori da ra fasad yidulobdiT zafxulSi. es swored zemoT CamoTvlili programebis uSualo damsaxurebaa. warmatebiT Caiara Txilis da citrusis sezonebmac. mosavali dabinavda da eqsportzec gavida fermerebisTvis misaReb fasebSi. wels Zalian kargi xarisxis citrusi gvqonda. marTalia, SarSandeli uCveulo yinvebis gamo, mcire mosavali iyo, magram maRali standartis nayofi miviReT. es ar momxdara TavisiT. yvelafers win uZRoda soflis meurneobis saministros mier warmoebuli eqstenciis da citrusis baRebis ganaxlebis programebi, rac sezonis maRal doneze Catarebis sawindari gaxda. igive farosanas winaaRmdeg masStaburma brZolam da masSi Cadebulma Tanxebma ganapiroba am mavneblis gauvnebelyofa, ramac isev da isev, fermers misca saSualeba, kargi xarisxis Txili mieRo, romlis fasic sul ufro izrdeba inflaciis da gaufasurebuli valutis miuxedavad. marTlac, bevri ram keTdeba iseTi, rac uceb ar gvxvdeba TvalSi, magram wliTi wlobiT iZleva masStabur Sedegs da win mihyavs Cveni ekonomika, rac mosaxleobis keTildReobis sawindaria. welsac gaviTvaliswineT finansebi biujetSi, romelic soflis meurneobis sxvadasxva dargis ganviTarebas Seuwyobs xels.
– opoziciis gancxadebiT, `qarTul ocnebas~ awyobili qveyana Caabares da daangrieso. . .
– modiT, visaubroT cifrebiT da ara – zepirad, rogorc amas akeTebs Cveni destruqciuli opozicia. 2012 wels Cven CavibareT aWaris 150-milioniani biujeti, romelic ramdenime weliwadSi 320 milionamde gavzardeT. aqve isic aRsaniSnavia, rom centraluri biujetiT ar vsargeblobdiT, mTlianad sakuTar Semosavlebs veyrdnobodiT. ar miyvars gakeTebulze saubari, magram rodesac aseT braldebas gaigeb, giwevs pasuxis gacema, miT umetes, rom saTqmeli sakmaoze meti gvaqvs. aWaras mTavrobas iseTi Tavmjdomare hyavs, romelic socialuri kuTxiT bevr saqmes akeTebs.
– iqneb dagvikonkretoT?
– marto e.w. muyaos qalaqis Tema gveyofa. kanonmdebloba ar gvavaldebulebda am sakiTxis mogvarebas, magram Cven es gavakeTeT da male 500 ojaxi miiRebs Tanamedrove, komfortul binas TviTneburad Sekowiwebuli qoxebis nacvlad, sadac arc wyali iyo da arc kanalizacia. yvelferi es mTavrobam im patarebis gamo gaakeTa, romlebic Seusabamo viTarebaSi cxovrobdnen. binebis garda, iqve moewyoba dasaxlebisTvis aucilebeli infrastruqtura: skola, baRi, sabavSvo moednebi da sxv. anu maT miecemaT srulfasovani cxovrebis saSualeba. ra aaSena wina xelisuflebam, anbanis koSki Tu kvercxze dasmuli `lastebi~? erT quCas rom akeTebdnen, meore quCaze narkotikebs udebdnen axalgazrdebs jibeSi. `redisons~ da `Seratons~ aSenebdnen, mSenebels ki iWerdnen da fuls aqeT axdevinebdnen. nuTu daaviwyda yvelas, ras da rogor akeTebdnen, nuTu aRar axsovT, ratom aRdga mosaxleoba `nacionalebis~ reJimis winaaRdeg? ra gakeTda axla? gaixseneT mwvane koncxi, qobuleTSi dawyebuli `mwvane qalaqis~ unikaluri proeqti, baTumis `ganaTlebisa da mecnierebis~ qalaqi, sawarmoebi, sastumroebi, Teatrebi, muzeumebi, SemovliTi trasebi, gazificireba maRalmTian aWaraSi, goderZis uReltexili, investiciebi. . . `Waobis dasaxleba~ ra mdgomareobaSi iyo magaTi mmarTvelobis periodSi, kargad gaxsovT. . . aRar vici, romeli erTi CamovTvalo, imdeni ram gakeTda, SeuZlebelia yvelafris aRniSvna. saakaSvilis dros fasaduri politika tardeboda, imdenjer xsnidnen erTi da igive obeqts, ra dagvaviwyebda, axla ki vcdilobT ar visaubroT, ubralod, vaSenoT da vakeToT, swored esaa xelisuflebis movaleoba da mudmivad ar aris saWiro amaze laparaki.
– samomavlod ras apirebT?
– Zalian masStaburi gegmebis ganxorcielebas. `qarTul ocnebas~ aRmasrulebel rgolTan erTad, gaTavisebuli aqvs socialuri pasuxismgebloba. unda viaroT win da naklebad gavixsenoT wina reJimis naklovanebebi, raTa vakeToT bevri sasikeTo saqme Cveni qveynis da moqalaqeebis sakeTildReod.
