ცოტნე ანანიძე: არ იქნება არც ტელევიზიაზე და არც კონკრეტულ ჟურნალისტზე თავდასხმა
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ramdenime dRea, vnebaTaRelva ar cxreba faruli satelefono Canaweris irgvliv, romelSic qveynis moqmedi premieri, „qarTuli ocnebis“ yofili Tavmjdomaris biZina ivaniSvilis Svili – bera da saxelmwifo dacvis specialuri samsaxuris ufrosi, general-maiori anzor CubiniZe figurireben. avTenturia Tu ara Canaweri, amaze Sesabamisi uwyebebi arafers amboben, sasamarTlom ki prokuraturas neba darTo, telekompaniidan, romlis eTerSic gavida Canaweri, masalebi amoiRos, rasac ara mxolod im konkretuli televiziis warmomadgenlebi, sazogadoebis didi nawilic mediasa da Jurnalistur saqmianobaSi Carevad da zewolad afasebs. mimdinare movlenebze „aWarasTan“ umaRlesi sabWos deputatma, adamianis uflebebis dacvis sakiTxTa komitetis Tavmjdomare cotne ananiZem isaubra.
– batono cotne, ramdenime dRea, sazogadoebis interesi ar cxreba telekompania “pirvelis” eTerSi gasuli faruli satelefono Canaweris irgvliv. komentarebic araerTgvarovani keTdeba. vin SeiZleba iyos am Canaweris ukan da ratom dadga dRis wesrigSi Canaweris gasajaroebis sakiTxi?
– wina xelisuflebis dros CanawerebiT xdeboda sazogadoebrivi azris formireba garkveul politikur sakiTxebTan dakavSirebiT. am gziT surdaT xolme an warmoSoba, an Sewyveta, an ganviTareba garkveuli politikuri procesebis. rac Seexeba konkretul Canawers, romelic ramdenime dRis win gavrcelda, cxadze cxadia da gansakuTrebuli analitikuri azrovneba ar Wirdeba imis mixvedras, rom mmarTveli gundis interesSi msgavsi ram ar Sedis. im figurantebisgan, romlebic CanawerebSi arian, movismineT gancxadebebi, rom saubari Cawerilia 2010-11 wlebSi. vin dgas am yvelafris ukan, rogorc Tqven mkiTxeT, amaze pasuxi unda gasces gamoZiebam. saqarTvelos prokuraturis oficialuri gancxadebidan viciT, rom saqme aRZrulia.
– diax, saqme aRZrulia, Tumca ara – Canaweris avTenturobaze.
– avTenturobis nawilsac Seiswavlian. am qveyanaSi sazogadoebac da politikuri speqtric unda mieCvios imas, rom ukanono Cawera, mosmena, piradi cxovrebis amsaxveli kadrebi aris ukanonoba da, amavdroulad, ar aris eTikisa da kulturis Semadgeneli nawili. iciT, rom garkveuli tipis SeSfoTeba gamoiTqva, TiTqos gamoZieba Jurnalisturi saqmianobis winaaRmdegaa mimarTuli. ra Tqma unda, 21 saukuneSi am tipis gamoZieba da Jurnalistebis saqmianobaSi Careva dauSvebelia da cxadia, yvela kargad acnobierebs amas, maT Soris, is uwyebac, romelic sisxlis samarTlebriv devnas axorcielebs.
– telekompania “pirvelis” irgvliv mimdinare movlenebs gulisxmobT, bunebrivia.
– gamoZieba unda Catardes. is, rom erTi adamiani meore adamians urekavs da misi mosmena piradi sivrcis darRvevaa, Tu Cven vsaubrobT formaze, am Canaweris irgvliv sazogadoeba saubrobs formasa da Sinaarsze. demokratiul saxelmwifoSi formas aqvs udidesi mniSvneloba, amaSi dameTanxmeba yvela is adamiani, visac anbanuri warmodgena mainc aqvs demokratiaze. Jurnalisti, cxadia, ar aris, ar unda iyos da ver iqneba samizne. saqarTvelos kanonmdebloba icavs Jurnalists aseT SemTxvevaSi. rogorc vici, garkveuli tipis sagamoZiebo procesebi, sajaro informacia rac gvaqvs, Catarda.
– rogorc mediis, ise sazogadoebis didi nawili fiqrobs, rom Zalovnebi telekompaniaSi SeiWrebian da Zalas gamoiyeneben Jurnalistebis winaaRmdeg. Cven gvaxsovs, wina xelisuflebis dros rogor daarbies telekompania “imedi” . . . ra molodini gaqvT, gaimeorebs Tu ara moqmedi xelisufleba winamorbedis Secdomas?
– cxadia, msgavsi molodini ar maqvs, gamoZiebas aqvs Tavisi interesi, magram paralelis gavleba ar iqneba relevanturi. telekompania “imedis” darbeva 2007 wlis 7 noembers iyo Tavidan bolomde politikuri marSi imisa, rom Sewyvetiliyo erT-erTi Zalian popularuli telearxis mauwyebloba da amavdroulad, sazogadoebisTvis, daSinebis da Zalmomreobis TvalsazrisiT, iyo samagaliTo RonisZieba. is rom SiSis daTesvis RonisZieba iyo, operaciis saxe da formebi adasturebda. adamianebs, romlebic telekompaniis mimdebared imyofebodnen, Cems da Tqvens kolegebs, uswordebodnen. cxadia, nebismieri gonieri Zala fiqrobs, rom ar gaimeoros winamorbedis Secdomebi. Cven vnaxeT saqarTvelos prokuraturis damatebiTi gancxadeba, rom gamoZiebis dawyeba, garkveulwilad, viRacebma SesaZloa aRiqves, TiTqos Jurnalistis an televiziis saqmianobas ukaSirdeba. aramc da aramc, kanoni amas ar iTxovs da, aramc da aramc, ar iqneba arc televiziaze da arc konkretul Jurnalistze Tavdasxma an raime msgavsi tipis RonisZiebis ganxorcieleba. mniSvnelovania vicodeT Canaweris warmomavloba, vin da rogor moaxerxa es.
– sazogadoebas axsovs, Tavis droze „qarTulma ocnebam“ rogor gaanadgura faruli Canawerebi, Tumca dRes ukve Cndeba gonivruli eWvi, rom Canawerebi bolomde ar aris ganadgurebuli da viRacebs maTze xeli miuwvdeba.
– Cven SegviZlia vivaraudoT, rom e.w. kasrebis saqmis failebi, romlebic adamianTa wamebas, damcirebas asaxavda, iyo Senaxuli politikuri miznebisTvis da Zalauflebis SenarCunebisTvis, totaluri reJimis damyarebisTvis. es kadrebi ganadgurda, Tumca yvelaferi 2012 wlamde iyo Cawerili da SesaZlebelia, masalebi dublirebuli iyos, rasac veravin gamoricxavs. Sesabamisad, arsebobs albaToba, rom wina xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebs, romlebic farulad uTvalTvalebdnen, aSantaJebdnen, awamebdnen adamianebs da amas iRebdnen, isev hqondeT Savi masala da saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi gamoamzeuron garkveuli politikuri miznebisTvis.
– opozicia kvlav iTxovs politpatimrebis gaTavisuflebas da vadamdel arCevnebs. pozicias ar Tmobs mmarTveli gundic. am fonze, mxareebs Soris dialogis gamarTva SesaZlebelia?
– Cven da Cveni megobrebi xedaven, rom evroparlamentSi debatebi gaimarTa saqarTvelosTan dakavSirebiT. gansakuTrebul yuradRebas iCenen Cveni qveynis Sida politikuri procesebis normalizaciisTvis da am procesebSi maRali donis da rangis evropeli warmomadgenlebi arian CarTulebi. cxadia, arsebobs yvelanairi Sansi imisa, rom dialogi Sedges. mzaoba mmarTveli gundisgan aris da araerTxel gavaJRereT, rom dialogs alternativa ar aqvs. radgan aris am tipis moTxovnebi, Tundac vadamdel arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT, dRemde araerTgzis mouwodes im politikur subieqtebs, romlebmac moipoves mandatebi, saqmianobas Seudgnen. cxadia, xarvezebi iyo arCevebisas, magram – umniSvnelo da Sedegebze gavlenas ver moaxdenda. iyo Tavisufali saarCevno garemo, vcdilobdiT yvela standartis dacvas ara mxolod arCevnebis dRes, winasaarCevno periodSic. yvela Cveni saerTaSoriso aqtori mouwodebs qarTul opoziciur speqtrs, gaagrZelos sakanonmdeblo saqmianoba, rac gulisxmobs arCevnebis legitimurobas. euTo/ odiris saboloo daskvnac amaze metyvelebs calsaxad – SaviT TeTrze. e.w. wiTeli xazebi aris im sakiTxebTan dakavSirebiT, rac praqtikulad gadawyvetilia. gadawyvetileba miiRo saqarTvelos mosaxleobam da am gadawyvetilebis gadaxedva arasakonstitucio vadaSi, bunebrivia, alogikuria. iqneba sakiTxebi, razec SeTanxmebas unda mivaRwioT da dialogi yvela SemTxvevaSi unda Sedges da iqneba sakiTxebi, romlebzec SeTanxmeba im arsebuli realobidan da mocemulobidan gamomdinare, iqneba usafuZvlo.
– maSin roca opozicia vadamdel arCevnebze saubrobs, xelisuflebam adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebisTvis daiwyo mzadeba. ras fiqrobT, opozicia miiRebs arCevnebSi monawileobas?
– Cven opoziciuri speqtrisgan vismenT urTierTgamomricxav gancxadebebs adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT. am etapze, velodebiT Sexvedrebis gagrZelebas. mniSvnelovani sakiTxi iqneba adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi da ukve inicirebuli saarCevno reformis sakiTxi, romlis ganxilva parlamentSi ukve daiwyo. es sakiTxi Riaa da gadadgmulia mniSvnelovani pozitiuri nabijebi, iseve, rogorc gasul wels, 8 marts sruliad qarTuli politikuri speqtris da Cveni Tanamegobrobis SeTanxmeba Sedga gardamaval saarCevno sakiTxebTan mimarTebiT. es iyo sayovelTao SeTanxmeba da am SeTanxmebiT Catarda 2020 wlis arCevnebi, ramac asaxa amomrCevlis neba.
– ambobT, rom amomrCevelma Tavisi neba gamoxata, Tumca igive aWaris umaRles sabWoSi xalxis rCeulebi ar Sedian da uflebamosilebis SewyvetisTvis gancxadebebi aqvT dawerili. gaimarTa gundSi molaparakebebi mandatebis Sewyvetaze, Tu vadas gauxangrZlivebT maT mosafiqreblad?
-samwuxaroa, rom opozicia ar Semosula umaRles sabWoSi da Sesabamisad, im amomrCevelTa interesi, romlebmac TavianTi warmomadgenlebi airCies, ver tardeba sakanonmdeblo organoSi. es aris mniSvnelovani problema moqalaqeebisTvis, romlebsac politikuri da samarTlebrivi ufleba aqvT da demokratiis umTavresi qvakuTxedicaa, warmomadgenlobiT organoSi hyavdeT TavianTi rCeuli. isev gavimeoeb, yvela saerTaSoriso partniori maT mouwodebs, gaagrZelon sakanonmdeblo saqmianoba. rac Seexeba sakonsultacio nawils, iciT, rom dialogis gagrZelebas velodebiT da imeds gamovTqvam, rom SeTanxmebebi, gansakuTrebiT batoni miSelis CarTulobiT, mogvcems Sedegs. opozicia saqmianobas gaagrZelebs sakanonmdeblo organoebSi, rac Cven, romelime deputats individualurad, ki ar gvWirdeba, sWirdeba demokratias da pasuxismgebloba opoziciazecaa. xelisuflebas cxadia, gacilebiT meti pasuxismgebloba aqvs, magram pasuxismgebloba aqvs meore mxaresac. uaxloesi dReebi Zalian mniSvnelovania Cveni qveynisTvis da Cveni regionisTvisac, Tu ra tipis konsensusi, ra Sedegi mohyveba am molaparakebebs.
-16 marts qveynis premieri irakli RaribaSvili briuselSi unda Cavides da evrokavSirTan asocirebis xelSekrulebis Sesrulebis sakiTxebi ganixilos. aseve, unda Sexvdes evropuli sabWos prezident Sarl miSels. rogor fiqrobT, ra winadadebebs gaaJRerebs irakli RaribaSvili da ra SedegiT dabrundeba briuselidan?
– mec da qveynis mosaxleobac veliT dadebiT Sedegs. gvaqvs didi pasuxismgebloba asocirebis xelSekrulebisadmi, rac mmarTvelobis mniSvnelovani dokumentia. araerTi monitoringi Catarda da vadebulebebs jerovnad vasrulebT. aris gamowvevebi, forsmaJori, rac am dokumentTanaa dakaSirebuli. yvelaze mTavari valdebuleba qarTuli saxelmwifos da erTaderTi gza Cveni ganviTarebis, demokratiuli Tanacxovrebis, maT Soris, ekonomikuri da politikuri, adamianis uflebebis dacvis nawilSi aris evropuli ojaxi. am kuTxiT saxelwifos aqvs pozitiuri dinamika. evropasTan asocirebis xelSekruleba rom gaformda, irakli RaribaSvili iyo premier-ministri. mas isev am rangSi mouwevs 16 marts saubari. imedi gvaqvs da molodini, rom evropuli ojaxi mtkice mxardaWeras gamoxatavs Cveni demokratiuli ganviTarebis, teritoriuli mTlianobis, ekonomikuri ganviTarebis da adamianis uflebebisa da Tavisuflebis nawilSi.
– ra vadaSia SesaZlebeli mimdinare procesebis logikur dasasrulamde misvla?
– arsebuli mocemulobidan gamomdinare, logikuri da samarTliani iqneba politikurma procesebma gadainacvlos sakanonmdeblo organoebSi. amisTvis Zalisxmevas mmarTveli gundi da fasilitatorebi ar daiSureben. vadebTan dakavSirebiT prognozis gakeTeba rTuli iqneba, Tumca uaxloes periodSi unda Sedges SeTanxmeba. yvela piroba arsebobs dialogisTvis da SeTanxmebisTvis. debatebi, kamaTi, msjeloba unda gagrZeldes parlamentSi. mosaxleoba, saerTaSoriso partniorebi, yvela velodebiT logikur dasasruls – opoziciis da xelisuflebis saparlamento saqmianobis gagrZelebas.

