ნინო რაზმაძე: ,,საპატიო ქედელობა” გამორჩეული სიურპრიზი იყო ჩემთვის
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merisis, Wvanis xeobebis folklori Tbilisis sazogadoebam konservatoriis eTnomusikologiis mimarTulebis doqtorantis nino razmaZis damsaxurebiT gaicno. axlaxan samzeoze gamovida Tbilisis saxelmwifo konservatoriis mravalxmianobis kvlevis centrisa da fond `qarTuli galobis~ erToblivi gamocema `aWaruli xalxuri simRerebi~ TandarTuli saswavlo audiodiskiT, romelic man moamzada. igi proeqtis xelmZRvaneli da wignis Semdgenelia. nino razmaZe aWarasTan urTierTobas erTi dRiTac ar wyvets. dRes igi Cveni stumaria.
– Tbilisis vano sarajiSvilis saxelobis saxelmwifo konservatoriis bakalavriatis studenti viyavi, roca 2009 wels, pirvelad, samecniero eqspediciiT Camovedi aWaraSi. maSin sami municipalitetis – xulos, Suaxevisa da qedis 15-ze met sofels vewvieT. aWarul folklorTan ziareba CemTvis gansakuTrebuli STabeWdileba iyo. gavicani araCveulebrivi Semsruleblebi, sxvadasxva Taobis momRerlebi, mocekvaveebi, xalxur sakravebze Semsruleblebi. tradiciuli simReriT gamorCeuli merisis xeoba eqspediciis gvirgvini iyo. CaviZire im erovnul adaT-wesebsa da kulturaSi, rac am dalocvili xeobis mkvidrebs axasiaTebT. sakmaod didi dro movandome sasimRero da sacekvao tradiciebiT ganTqmuli merisis gacnobas. es is sofeli da xeobaa, romelic dRemde winaprebis tradiciebis erTgulia. aq folkloris dacva-SenarCunebaSi gansakuTrebuli wvlili TurmaniZeebis gvars miuZRvis. gamorCeulebi arian uxucesebi mexsud da amiran TurmaniZeebi, TurmaniZeebis momRerali ojaxi da sxv. 2010 wels ganvaxorciele proeqti `erTi soflis folklori – merisi, aWara~. es proeqti iTvaliswinebda adgilobrivebTan erTad konservatoriis folkloris laboratoriis arqivSi daculi vladimer axobaZisa da kukuri WoxoneliZis saeqspedicio masalebidan merisuli simRerebis aRdgenas da farTo sazogadoebisTvis gacnobas. Tbilisis saxelmwifo konservatoriaSi gamarTul saRamoze ansamblma `moyvare~ TanasoflelebTan erTad warmoadgina adgilobrivi folklori. es yvelaferi gavimeoreT 2011 wels giorgi garayaniZis saxelobis tradiciuli musikis baTumis saerTaSoriso konferenciasa da festivalze.
– aranaklebi datvirTva hqonda 2019 wlis ivnisSi konservatoriis did darbazSi gamarTul koncerts `erTi xeobis folklori – Wvana~ da imave wlis 7 noembers baTumis saxelmwifo musikalur centrSi Catarebul koncert-gamofenas. Tqven am RonisZiebis organizatori iyaviT.
– merisis Semdgom Tbilisel mayurebels Wvanis xeobis musikaluri folklori da eTnografiac gavacaniT. am RonisZiebasac didi muSaoba uZRoda win. ori wlis ganmavlobaSi giorgi mTawmindelis saxelobis saeklesio galobis umaRlesi saswavleblis studentebi saqvelmoqmedo fond `qarTuli galobis~ mxardaWeriT, studenturi dasaqmebis proeqtSi monawileobdnen, romlis farglebSic Suaxevis municipalitetis ramdenime ansambls vexmarebodiT maTTvis axali, magram tradiciuli simRerebis SeswavlaSi. Wvanis xeobaSi imuSaves naTia azaraSvilma, nino rexviaSvilma, ilia xviCiam da giorgi jolbordma. kidev ufro didi masStabi hqonda baTumSi gamarTul RonisZiebas, romelic giorgi garayaniZis saxelobis baTumis folkloruli da sasuliero musikis saerTaSorio festivalis farglebSi gaimarTa. ar damaviwydeba is didi dafaseba, romelic im RonisZiebaze `sapatio Wvanelis~ wodebiT momaniWes.
– SarSan, wlis dasasruls, Tqveni Sroma `sapatio qedelis~ wodebiTac aRniSnes. qedis farglebs gareT mcxovrebi qalebidan aseTi aRiareba pirvels gergoT, rac im SemoqmedebiTi muSaobis dafasebaa, romelsac qedasa da mTiani aWaris sxva municipalitetebSi eweviT.
– `sapatio qedeloba~ namdvilad gamorCeuli da moulodneli siurprizi iyo. vfiqrob, Zalian kargad Cans, ramdenad gulwrfelad da siyvaruliT akeTeb saqmes. yvela es jildo CemTvis gansakuTrebul sixarulTan erTad, didi pasuxismgeblobaa. vcdilob, gavamarTlo im adamianebis imedi, vinc erT dros mendo, ojaxis wevrad mimiRo da gansakuTrebuli siTbo magrZnobina. minda axal-axali, saWiro da grZelvadian Sedegebze gaTvlili proeqtebi movifiqro da ganvaxorcielo.
– SarSan xuloSic gamoCndiT. xom ar gagvimxelT proeqts, romlis realizebasac iq apirebT?
– mogexsenebaT, xulos municipaliteti umdidresia Tavisi tradiciebiT, maT Soris, sasimRero da sacekvao folkloriT. xuloSi muSaoba saeqspedicio `moTelviT~ daviwyeT. 2020 wels gvindoda ramdenime ansamblTan adgilobrivi tradiciuli simRerebis aRdgenis proeqti gangvexorcielebina da bolos dedaqalaqSi – rusTavelis TeatrSi dagvegvirgvinebina folkloruli saRamoTi. samwuxarod, pandemiis gamo ar dagvcalda. am gegmas aucileblad ganvaxorcielebT. zemoaRniSnuli konservatoriis folkloris laboratoriis arqivis garda, unikaluria Tsu-is javaxiSvilis saxelobis istoriisa da eTnologiis unikaluri arqivi, aseve, bsu-is niko berZeniSvilis kvleviTi institutis musikaluri fondi. aq daculi mravali aWaruli tradiciuli simRera saWiroebs aRdgenas da axal sicocxles. unikaluria folkloris saxelmwifo centris arqivSi daculi xuloSi Cawerili xelnaweri masala, romelic aWaris ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis saministros mxardaWeriT gamoica. samuSao Zalze bevria. sabednierod, xuloSi – RorjomSi, dabaSi, vaSlovanSi, xixanis xeobaSi da sxv. arsebobs Zalian didi adamianuri resursi, romelsac SeuZlia am unikaluri simRerebis aRdgena. es xulos folkloris istoriaSi axali etapis dasawyisi iqneba. daviwyeT muSaoba Cvens megobarsa da kolegasTan guram gunTaZesTan erTad da es samuSaoebi SeZlebisTanave ganaxldeba.
– ramdenime dRis win `Sato iverSi~ `qeda lideris~ mier dafinansebuli proeqtebis daxurvis ceremonia gaimarTa. 87 proeqtisgan erT-erTi wignis `aWaruli xalxuri simRerebis~ gamocema iyo. Tqven proeqtis xelmZRvaneli da wignis Semdgeneli xarT. mokled gviambeT am gamocemaze.
– es proeqti CemTvis erT-erTi gamorCeulia. roca Sevityve aseTi konkursis arseboba, romelic kavkasiis garemosdacviTi organizaciebis qselis, `qeda liderisa~ da demokratiis institutis mier iyo gamocxadebuli evrokavSiris Enpard-is proeqtis farglebSi, gavarkvie, rom iq erT-erT prioritetad adgilobrivi kulturis xelSewyobac iyo dasaxelebuli. vifiqre, rom qedis musikaluri folklori namdvilad imsaxurebda evrokavSiris Tanadafinansebis mopovebas da maT iseTi formati SevTavaze, romelsac ramdenime prioriteti eqneboda. 1. aq Tavi moiyara qedis saukeTeso ansamblebis `moyvaresa~ da `elesas~ simRerebma; 2. gamocema orenovania da gankuTvnilia rogorc qarTveli, ise ucxoeli dainteresebuli pirebisaTvis; 3. esaa saswavlo audioCanawerebiani krebuli, anu TiToeuli xma gamoyofilia da notebTan erTad martivia simRerebis Seswavla da sxva. es aWaruli folkloris pirveli saswavlo audiodiskebiani krebulia, Tumca igi fond `qarTuli galobis~ seriidan meore gamocemaa. pirveli svanur folklors eZRvneboda. seriis ideis avtori batoni anzor erqomaiSvilia. unda iTqvas, rom `qeda liderisa~ da snn-is TanamSromlebTan muSaoba Zalian produqtiuli da sasiamovno iyo. 7 Tveze gawerili proeqti 2 TveSi davasruleT da saukeTeso saswavlo-sasaCuqre gamocema SevqmeniT. vamayob, rom es wigni am umniSvnelovanesi organizaciebis, municipalitetis meriisa da Tavad ansamblebis sapatio qarTveli da ucxoeli stumrebisaTvis saukeTeso samaxsovro saCuqari iqneba.
– sul male titanuri Sromis damsaxurebul Sedegs – xelovnebaTmcodneobis doqtoris akademiur xarisxs miiRebT. sami Svilis deda, meuRle da SemoqmedebiTi muSaki dros rogor anawilebT?
– rTuli kiTxvaa. ojaxSi pasuxismgeblobebi ise gvaqvs gadanawilebuli, rom maqsimalurad mosaxerxebeli samuSo garemo mqondes. aseve, mudmivad vcdilob, gavaumjobeso Cemi menejmentis unarebi, Sesasrulebeli samuSao sworad gadavanawilo samuSao jgufze. visargebleb SemTxveviT da madlobas gadavuxdi Cemi cxovrebis or udides qalbatons, Cems samecniero xelmZRvanels, emeritus profesor rusudan wurwumias da qalbaton nana goTuas, fond `qarTuli galobis~ aRmasrulebel direqtors. isini dedobriv mzrunvelobas iCenen, mudmivad zrunaven Cems profesiul da pirovnul ganviTarebaze. faqtobrivad, Tu raimes vaxerxeb an momavalSi ganvaxorcieleb – am ori qalbatonis udidesi damsaxurebiT.
– fesvebi raWasTan gakavSirebiT, profesiam, Ziebis survilma ki aWara gagacnoT. ra saerTo aqvs am ori kuTxis folklors?
– fesvebi ara mxolod raWas ukavSirdeba. Cemi bavSvoba guriaSi maqvs gatarebuli. es ori kuTxe gansakuTrebulad miyvars. agreTve, samegrelo, svaneTi. rTulia gamovarCio. Cemi kvlevis sagani qarTuli musikaluri sakravebia da yvela kuTxes met-naklebad vexebi, magram, rogorc aRniSneT, gansakuTrebulad mainc aWarul musikaze var koncentrirebuli. roca saSualeba maqvs, sul vcdilob, aWaraSi gavataro. dro ar myofnis yvela interesis dasakmayofileblad an yvela sasurveli proeqtis gansaxorcieleblad. am or kuTxes saerTo aqvs landSafti, Tbili da keTilganwyobili adgilobrivebi da, rac mTavaria, unikaluri tradiciuli folklori.
– aWaraSi, tradiciuli simReris garda, unikaluria folkloris sxva dargebic. Tqvens mier organizebul saRamoebs yovelTvis amSvenebda adgilobrivi eTnografiuli nivTebis gamofenac. . .
– marTali brZandebiT, Cvens yvela RonisZiebaze vcdilobdiT warmogvedgina eTnografia da folkloris sxva dargebi. imisaTvis, rom eTnografiul nivTebs mxolod dekoraciis funqcia ar hqonoda, WvanaSi gamarTuli bolo saRamos organizebaSi aWaris saxelwifo muzeumebis gaerTianebac CavrTeT, TiToeul nivTs axlda profesionaluri aRwera. garda sasimRero foklorisa, 2019 wels ganvaxorciele proeqti qoreografiis mimarTulebiT. kerZod, qoreolog uCa dvaliSvilisa da aleko gelaSvilis daxmarebiT, inegolSi mcxovrebi aWaruli warmoSobis axalgazrdebTan erTad, movawyveT aWarel mocekvaveebTan 10-dRiani eqspedicia da maT Seiswavles cekvaTa saerTo da ganmasxvavebeli niSnebi. proeqti folkloris centris konkursis `Seni folkloruli idea~ farglebSi dafinansda. am bolos, aqtiurad davinteresdi aWaruli feiqrobiT, ornamentebiT, aWaruli fardagisa da sxv. qsovis teqnologiiT. am mimarTulebiT garkveuli gegmebi maqvs dargis profesional adamianebTan erTad. vnaxoT, rogor ganviTardeba movlenebi. Zalian sainteresoa xis damuSavebis adgilobrivi teqnologiac. vfiqrob, am mimarTulebiT zemo aWaris potenciali Zalian didia da SesaZlebelia saTanadod gamoyeneba rogorc rewvis, ise turizmis mimarTulebiT.
– qarTuli folklori amouwuravi saunjea. mas Rirseuli mkvlevarebi hyavda da kvleva momavalSic gagrZeldeba. ra damokidebuleba gaqvT axalbeda mkvlevarebTan, Tundac, imave giorgi mTawmindelis saxelobis saeklesio galobis umaRlesi saswavleblis studentebTan?
– gavizarde iseT garemoSi, sadac ufrosi Taobis warmomadgenlebis TiTqmis sruli umravlesoba orientirebuli iyo axalgazrdebis ganviTarebaze, Zalian gviwyobdnen da gviwyoben dRemde xels. siamayiT SemiZlia aRvniSno, rom Cems samive samsaxurSi, – konservatoriaSi, fondSi Tu universitetSi, dRes, axalgazrdebis ganviTarebisTvis saukeTeso mxardamWeri garemoa Seqmnili. amis dasturia fondis mier galobis universitetis mxardaWera rogorc finansuri, ise programuli kuTxiT. maqsimalurad vcdilobT, fondis proeqtebSi CavrToT studentebi. swored am damokidebulebis Sedegi iyo Zalian popularuli studenturi dasaqmebis proeqtebi. gasakeTebeli imdenad bevria, rom adamianuri resursi arasdros iqneba sakmarisi. amdenad, aucilebelia axalgazrda Taobis mxardaWera, maT ganviTarebaze zrunva, maTi praqtikuli unarebis CamoyalibebaSi Tundac mcire wvlilis Setana. Cven saerTo saqmes vemsaxurebiT, amitom yoveldRiurad unda gavaumjobesoT sakuTari SesaZlebloba, gavxadoT Cveni saqmianoba ufro sasargeblo xalxisTvis da qveynisTvis.
– rogoria Tqveni gegmebi?
– xulos folkloris garda, ramdenime mniSvnelovani proeqti gvaqvs dagegmili aWaruli tradiciuli simReris mimarTulebiT. axlaxan daviwyeT bsu-is niko berZeniSvilis institutis unikaluri audioarqivis damuSaveba, vgegmav aWaruli simRerebis anTologiis tomeulebis gamocemas xeobebis mixedviT, aseve, aWarul xalxur sakravebze krebulis gamocemas. uaRresad saintereso arqivi aqvs aWaris televiziasa da radios. am yvelafris ganxorcielebisTvis aucilebelia instituciuri TanamSromloba rogorc universitetebTan, ise municipalitetebTan da, ra Tqma unda, aWaris ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis saministrosTan, romelTan saqmiani kavSiri yovelTvis uaRresad komfortuli da produqtiulia.
