ილია მეორე: დრო იწურება და მზად უნდა ვიყოთ უფლის მეორედ მოსვლისათვის
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saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarqma ilia meorem sakvirao wirva-locva aRavlina. qadagebisas qarTuli marTlmadidebeli eklesiis winamZRvarma ganacxada, rom `dro iwureba da mzad unda viyoT uflis meored mosvlisaTvis~
patriarqi yuradRebas amaxvilebs momaval Taobaze, romelic garemoculia uaryofiTi movlenebiT.
`Cveni cxovreba emsgavseba kibes; erTi piri maRla midis, meore – dabla. bednieria is adamiani, romelic maRla midis. Cven unda vTxovoT ufals, rom am ukanasknel Jams Cven yvela maRla mimaval kibeze viyoT. . . Cven unda gvaxsovdes, rom dro iwureba da mzad unda viyoT uflis meored mosvlisaTvis. cxovreba adamianisa rTulia, magram ar unda dagvaviwydes, rom ufali sufevs, ufali mefobs, ufali gvaZlevs Zalas da sibrZnes, ufali ar dagvtovebs oblad. gansakuTrebiT unda vifiqroT axalgazrdebze, Cvens momaval Taobaze. unda gvaxsovdes, rom axalgazrdoba garemoculia uaryofiTi movlenebiT~, – Tqva ilia meorem qadagebisas. man aseve aRniSna, rom saqarTvelos samRvdeloeba `Tavdadebulad ebrZvis borotebas da ibrZvis sulieri winsvlisTvis~.
ras gulisxmobda patriarqi, ramdenadaa dakavSirebuli es sityvebi msoflio pandemiasa da vaqcinaciasTan, ratom usvams xazs axalgazrdobis problemebs da ramdenad aucilebelia qristianebisTvis saaRdgomo marxva, amaze da aWaraSi momravlebul axalgazrda muslimebze saubrobs `aWarasTan~ interviuSi baTumisa da lazeTis presspikeri, dekanozi ioane goreliSvili.
– mama ioane, patriarqis sityvebiT, axlovdeba meored mosvla, ras gulisxmobda ilia meore da ramdenadaa es fraza dakavSirebuli kovidpandemiasTan?
– uwmindesi da unetaresi xSirad mouwodebs mrevls sifrTxilisken, radgan rac dro gadis, axlovdeba meored mosvlis Jami. SegaxsenebT ieso qristes sityvebs, rom angelozebmac ki ar ician, rodis iqneba meored mosvla. aqedan gamomdinare, konkretul TariRze saubari SeuZlebelia, eklesia zust ricxvs verafriT daasaxelebs, magram vityvi imasac, rom TiToeuli adamiani mzad unda iyos sakuTar sikvdilTan Sesaxvedrad. SesaZloa, meored mosvlas ver moveswroT, magram is yvelam viciT, rom aucileblad gardavicvlebiT – es realobaa. nebismieri Cvengani adre Tu gvian macxovars Sexvdeba, mis winaSe warsdgeba, rac TavisTavad gvavaldebulebs, movemzadoT am SexvedrisTvis. gankiTxvis dRe yvelas daudgeba, meored mosvlac xom gankiTxvis dRea, amitom saubrobs, dResdReobiT, patriarqi meored mosvlaze. es konkretuli miTiTebaa da ekuTvnis mTel saqristianos, mTel mrevls. ufalTan Sesaxvedrad mzadeba xom Cveni cxovrebis ZiriTadi misiaa, mamoZravebeli amocana, qristes mier dasaxuli mizani, romlis ugulebelyofa dauSvebelia, Tuki maradisobasTan ziareba gvsurs.
– ilia meore mogviwodebs, yuradReba mivaqcioT Cvens axalgazrdobas, miaCnia, rom momavali Taoba garemoculia uaryofiTi movlenebiT. . .
– es marTlac asea. Cveni momavali Taoba, axalgazrdebi ki ara, sruliad norCebi, patarebic ki garemoculni arian msoflio qseliT – internetiT, uamravi mediasaSualebebiT, romlis gafiltvra da SezRudva SeuZlebelia. aravin icis, ras naxuloben, ras kiTxuloben da ra macdur, qvena grZnobebs eqvemdebarebian aq Sesuli Cveni Svilebi. isini realurad xdebian internetiT gavrcelebuli negatiuri informaciis matareblebi, rac dauSvebelia isedac mcirericxovani erisTvis. albaT, dameTanxmebiT, rom axalgazrdobis umetesoba maTi asakisTvis Seuferebel informaciebs iRebs, rac damangrevelia axalgazrda gonebisTvis, fsiqikisTvis. zrdasrul adamiansac ki uWirs amdeni negativis gadaxarSva da mcirewlovnebsa da mozardebze raRa unda vTqvaT. sabolood viRebT nervebdawyvetil, gaubedurebul axalgazrdebs, romlebsac uWirT swori gzis gamonaxva da taZramde misvla.
– rac Seexeba vaqcinacias. . .
– adamianebi xSirad arasworad igeben patriarqis qadagebis ZiriTad arss, araswor interpretacias aZleven mis mier warmoTqmul frazebs. vgulisxmob meored mosvlas da koronaviruss, romliTac axla apelireben mediasaSualebebSi. ratomRac, yvela ukavSirebs msoflio pandemias – meored mosvlas, rac principSi, arc aris gasakviri. is, rom ufali gansacdels gviwyobs da misi nebis gareSe miwaze yvavilic ar gaiSleba, yvelam viciT, magram ar SeiZleba, igive vaqcinacia davukavSiroT uflis sawinaaRmdego qmedebas. xSirad axseneben Cipebs, mTeli kacobriobis danomrvas da a.S. es imdenad araseriozuli midgomaa uflis mimarT, rom ver warmomidgenia, ratom usmenen am yvelafers morwmuneebi. es Tema umetesad, swored internetSi musirebs da saocari siswrafiT vrceldeba socialuri qselebis meSveobiT.
– Tqven TvliT, rom vaqcinacia uflis nebasTan aranair kavSirSi ar aris?
– Tuki ufali inebebs, vaqcinacia uproblemod Catardeba da amiT xsnas miscems kacobriobas. is, rac irgvliv xdeba, miuwvdomelia rigiTi adamianisTvis, ase rom, Cipebi, piradobebi da sxva msgavsi fantaziebi, romlebsac e.w. trolebi avrceleben, gansjis saganic ki ar unda gaxdes CvenTvis. es rom marTlac mniSvnelovani iyos, zemoT xsenebuli Cipebi da piradobebi ki antiqristes beWedi, patriarqi am sakiTxze ar dadumdeboda, aucileblad etyoda mTel saqristianos, rom es antiqristes beWedia da misi miRebiT suls waiwymidavs adamiani.
– gamodis, vaqcinaciac usafrTxoa?
– radgan ar amaxvilebs ilia meore arc am Temaze yuradRebas, gamodis, esec usafrTxoa da arc esaa antiqristes beWedi. Tavad adamianebis gadasawyvetia, aiReben am piradobas Tu aicrebian. maT aravin zRudavs arCevanSi, miT umetes – eklesia. cota ucnauric ki iqneboda am vaqcinaciis sawinaaRdego kampaniis gaCaReba sasuliero pirebisgan, radgan sxvadasxva vaqciniT bevri sasikvdilo seni daamarcxa kacobriobam. Cven verafers gamovigonebT am kuTxiT da verc veravis davavaldebulebT. eklesiis mTavari amocana da datvirTva Cveni mrevlis sulieri mdgomareobaa da ara samedicino sferoSi Careva. aqve minda xazi gavusva erT garemoebas, adamianebi, romlebic qristes pirvel mosvlasac ki ver aRiqvamen da am processac ar icnoben kargad, dganan da meored mosvlaze saubroben. es, raRa Tqma unda, piradad CemTvis, Zalian alogikuria. modiT, kidev erTxel gavarkvioT, ra brZana ilia meorem Tavis sakvirao qadagebaSi: mogviwoda sifrTxilisken, gvTxova, viyoT fxizlad, vilocoT da yuradReba mivaqcioT sakuTar Svilebs. gviTxra, rom mSoblebs mzrunvelobiT, pativiscemiT movepyroT, moxucebis dafaseba viswavloT. SabaTi daasaxela wignis kiTxvis dRed, gviTxra, saxlSi yoveldRe nakurTxi wyali vasxuroT borotebisgan dasacavad, vakeToT meti sikeTe da vimarxuloT. ai, es iyo patriarqis pirdapiri mowodebebi da ara meored mosvlis daTariReba da piradobebze saubari. miTxariT, ra SuaSia zemoT CamoTvlil TezisebTan es? sakuTari interpretaciiT Wiqa wyalSi qariSxals atrialeben da umisamarTod aqtiuroben. ai, aseTi samwuxaro realobis winaSe vdgebiT, rodesac adamianebs uWirT informaciis sworad gageba da misi marTebulad gavrceleba.
– mama ioane, xSiria SemTxveva, rodesac adamianebi marxuloben moZRvris kurTxevis gareSe anu maTi saboloo mizani ar aris ziareba. ramdenad iTvleba msgavsi procesi marxvad?
– es iTvleba dietad da ara marxvad. zogadad, sityva `marxva~ niSnavs – damarxvas, Senaxvas. rodesac micvalebuls vmarxavT, niSnavs, rom mis neSts vinaxavT sapatio adgilas. am SemTxvevaSic, anu marxvisas, Cven vinaxavT sakuTar grZnobebs. adamians 5 grZnoba aqvs: smenis, xedvis, ynosvis, gemos SegrZnebis da azrovnebis. xuTive grZnoba unda vamarxuloT, swored amaSia Cadebuli marxvis genialuri misia. gemos aparati ufro ioli dasamorCilebelia, vidre Tvalis kontroli, anu mzera ar gageqces akrZalulisken an Woraobas ar usmino da ar ahyve gansjaSi sxvas. yvelaze rTuli ki cud azrebTan brZolaa.
– maSin ratom eqceva yvelaze meti yuradReba swored kvebas?
– yvelafers Tanabrad eqceva yuradReba ziarebisas, saWmlis akrZalva ki jer kidev adam da evasgan modis, rodesac ufalma isini SeuSva edemSi. cxadia, isini iq ar ikvebebodnen cxoveluri sakvebiT, kmayofildebodnen imiT, rasac miwa aZlevdaT, magram mainc dauwesdaT marxva, rom ar eWamaT sikeTis da borotebis nayofi. samwuxarod, Cvenma winaprebma daarRvies es marxva, rasac mohyva Cveni gandevna samoTxidan. amis Semdeg, rodesac qriste modis amqveynad, Tavad marxulobs 40 dRis ganmavlobaSi, riTac gvaZlevs pirad magaliTs. swored amitom gadmovitaneT 40-dRiani marxva winasaaRdgomod. Tavad qriste ambobs: `ese eri ver SemZlebels ars gasvlad, garra marxvisa da locvisa~. amiT adasturebs, rom TiToeuli morwmunesTvis aucilebelia locva da marxva.
– aRdgomis brwyinvale dResaswaulis mniSvnelobaze ras gvetyodiT, ramdenad aucilebelia mTeli erisTvis am zeimisTvis mzadeba?
– aRdgoma dResaswaulTa dResaswaulia. amaze didi zeimi, sasuliero kuTxiT, arc arsebobs. Cven gvwams, rom qriste sruli adamiani gaxdeba anu Semoikrebs adamianur bunebas. amiT dagvanaxebs Tavmdablobas. Cven magier miiRebs im sasjels, rac TiToeul Cvengans ekuTvnis. Tavad gaekvreba jvarze, aitans Seuracxyofas, furTxebas, wyevlas. Cava jojoxeTSi, gaxsnis samoTxis karebs, aRadgens im xids, romelic Caingra adamiansa da RmerTs Soris da morwmune sazogadoebas, nebismier adamians aZlevs monaniebis saSualebas, raTa gardacvalebis Semdgom, Cvenc SevZloT uflis winaSe warsdgoma da sakuTari samoTxis mopoveba.
– imravla musulmani axalgazrdebis ricxvma. riT axsniT amas?
– vTvli, rom am faqts ganapirobebs is 400 medrese, romelic aWaris masStabiTaa gaxsnili. iq zrdian, aswavlian bavSvebs, sakvebiT uzrunvelyofen, xolo skolis damTavrebis Semdeg, stambolsa da ankaraSi amgzavreben umaRles saswavleblebSi. cxadia, mSoblebi, romlebic moklebulni arian saxsrebs, Svilebis momavlisTvis midian amaze da arad dagideven, rom ganaTlebis miRebis am gzas sarwmunoebis Secvla udevs safuZvlad. es aris erTgvari berketi, romliTac isini muSaoben.
– ratom ar dgams eklesia analogiur nabijs, nuTu am sakiTxis mimarT indiferentuloba dasaSvebia?
– es ufro saxelmwifoebrivi problemaa, vidre eklesiuri. mosyidvis gziT sulierebam ar unda iaros. saxelmwifom unda uzrunvelyos, rom bavSvebi sasuliero skolebSi ar moxvdnen mSoblebis umweo mdgomareobis gamo. xelisuflebam gansakuTrebulad unda izrunos aseT bavSvebze, misces maT arCevanis saSualeba, igive sarwmunoebis kuTxiT da puris fulis gamo ar gauSvas ucxoeTSi, sadac saeWvo tipis ganaTlebas euflebian. Tavis droze rom mieqciaT amisTvis yuradReba, es problema avtomaturad aRmoifxvreboda. eklesias am etapze ar gaaCnia sakmarisi dafinanseba saxelmwifosgan, raTa ganaxorcielos msgavsi aqciebi, xolo im medreseebs TurqeTis saxelmwifo afinansebs, Tanac sakmaod uxvad. ase rom, calmxrivad am sakiTxis dayeneba ar mimaCnia marTebulad.
