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parlamentis Tavmjdomare arCil TalakvaZem Tanamdeboba datova. man gancxadeba partiis ofisSi gamarTul brifingze gaakeTa. `qarTuli ocneba~ parlamentis axal spikerad TalakvaZis pirvel moadgiles, kaxa kuWavas waradgens, arCil TalakvaZe ki parlamentis vicespikeri gaxdeba
brifingze arCil TalakvaZem ganacxada, rom evrokavSiris mediaciiT mmarTvel gundsa da opozicias Soris mimdinare ramdenimeTviani daZabuli molaparakebebi warmatebiT dasrulda. misive TqmiT, parlamentis spikeris Tanamdeboba iseTma adamianma unda daikavos, romelic sakanonmdeblo organos muSaobas ufro neitraluri poziciidan gauZRveba. `axla, rodesac parlamentSi warmomadgenlobiTi opozicia gvyavs, vTvli, rom Cemi adgili darbazSia, kolegebis gverdiT da ara spikeris poziciaze~, – ganacxada TalakvaZem.
aRniSnul sakiTxTan da qveyanaSi mimdinare procesebTan dakavSirebiT samoqalaqo aqtivists genri doliZes ramdenime kiTxviT mivmarTeT.
– rogor SeafasebT qveyanaSi arsebul mdgomareobas, romel aspeqtebs gamoyofT?
– qveyanaSi arsebuli viTareba ukiduresad mZime da Cixuria. samwuxarod, orive flangi, xelisuflebac da opoziciac, ukan dasaxev gzas ixergavs da es uaryofiTad aisaxeba rogorc politikur, ise ekonomikur faqtorebze. noemberSi biZina ivaniSvils ar eyo keTilgoniereba da arCevnebis gziT ar daTmo xelisufleba miuxedavad imisa, rom mis mier dawerili procentebiTac mosaxleobis naxevarze metma anu umravlesobam xma misca ara mmarTvel partias, aramed mravalpartiul parlaments. problema ara Tavad `qarTul ocnebaSi~, aramed erTpartiul sistemaSia. Tumca saxeldobr `qarTul ocnebasac~ araerTi upatiebeli Secdoma daugrovda. absoluturi xelisufleba da Zalaufleba ryvnis. roca erT xelSia Tavmoyrili yvela berketi – sasamarTlo, policia, prokuratura, parlamenti, prezidentis instituti, sazogadoebrivi mauwyebeli, marTvis veqtori TavisTavad ixreba avtoritarizmisken. mimaCnia, rom erTpartiuli mmarTveloba aris am qveynis mTavari ubedureba.
– parlamentis Tavmjdomaris gadadgomas opozicia da mmarTveli partia sxvadasxvanairad afaseben. rogoria Tqveni azri amasTan dakavSirebiT?
– amas didi eqspertoba da specialuri ganaTleba ar sWirdeba. cxadze cxadia, roca erTmaneTis miyolebiT, saparlamento respublikaSi premieri da parlamentis Tavmjdomare toveben Tanamdebobebs, es niSnavs imas, rom qveyanaSi aris Rrma krizisi. aseve, es ori faqti dasturia imisa, rom Cvens saxelmwifoSi nebismieri Tanamdeboba aris butaforiuli da erTaderTi mmarTveli piri aris biZina ivaniSvili. es sagangaSo mocemulobaa. yvela normalur qveyanaSi sxva rom araferi – marto premierisa da parlamentis Tavmjdomaris erTmaneTis miyolebiT gadadgoma gaxdeboda vadamdeli arCevnebis mizezi.
– Sarl miSelis dokumentze opoziciam da xelisuflebam SeTanxmebas miaRwies. ramdenad istoriulia es SeTanxmeba?
– Cven, samwuxarod, 90-iani wlebidan moyolebuli bipolarul garemos vaSenebT. qveyana yovelTvis dayofilia `amistebad~ da `imistebad~, maT Soris ki zizRis da siZulvilis yru kedelia aRmarTuli. Tavad dayofa demokratiuli movlenaa, magram problemas warmoadgens is, rom yvelas Tavisi mxare hgonia erTaderTi WeSmaritad patriotuli gundi da arc ki uSveben, rom im milionze met adamians, romelsac sxva politikuri mrwamsi amoZravebs, SesaZloa, aseve, uyvardes qveyana. mokled, Cveni problema is ki ar aris, rom gansxvavebuli azri gvaqvs, Cveni problema isaa, rom yvela gansxvavebuli azris mqone adamiani qveynis mtrad migvaCnia. unda viswavloT dialogi da, swored, azrTa sxvadasxvaobiTa da jansaRi oponirebiT ganvaviTaroT saxelmwifo. es CveniT ver SevZeliT. madloba Sarl miSels, romelmac xelisufleba da opozicia erT magidasTan dasva da saerTo ena apovnina. imedia, es SeTanxmeba darCeba istoriul movlenad, iSviaT precedentad da awi qarTvelebs aRarasodes dagvWirdeba mesame piri erTmaneTTan dialogisTvis.
– `nacmoZraobam~, `evropulma saqarTvelom~ da `leiboristulma partiam~ uari ganacxades zemoT aRniSnuli dokumentis xelmoweraze, ramdenad gamarTlebulia maTi es nabiji?
– samive zemoT CamoTvlili partia Zveli partiaa – kargad Camoyalibebuli struqturiT da gundiT. maT, rogorc Cans, aqvT politikuri, adamianuri da finansuri resursi imisTvis, rom meti brZoliT ufro meti moiTxovon mocemulobidan, vidre axalma partiebma moiTxoves. faqtia, rom wiTeli xazebi yvelasTvis sxvadasxva Temaze gadis da es bunebrivicaa.
– Tu `nacmoZraoba~ ar Seva parlamentSi, moxdeba Tu ara maTi marginalizacia? Tu salome samadaSvili partias datovebs, risi maniSnebeli iqneba es?
– vfiqrob, rom yvela partia Seva parlamentSi, Tu ivaniSvili kidev erTxel ar gadaagdebs mTel qveyanas, rogorc es proporciuli sistemis dapirebis SemTxvevaSi moxda. salome samadaSvili jer partiidan ar wasula, Tumca bunebrivia, rom yvela gundSi moxdeba gadalagebebi. zogTan es adre daiwyo, zogi winasaarCevnod gadaewyoba axal Semadgenlobaze. Cemi prognoziT, salome samadaSvili ramdenime gamocdil, konstruqciul politikosTan erTad axal partias Camoayalibebs, Tumca darCeba opoziciur erTobaSi.
– rogorc eqspertebi amboben, SesaZloa, mmarTveli gundis nawili giorgi gaxarias SeuerTdes da Camoyalibdes mesame Zala. . .
– SesakrebTa gadanacvlebiT jami ar icvleba. ramdenma adamianmac ar unda datovos mmarTveli gundi da gaxariasTan gadavides, jamSi am or partias imaze meti amomrCeveli ver eyoleba, vidre erTad aRebuls hyavdaT. daaxloebiT igive scenari ganviTardeba, rac `nacionaluri moZraobisa~ da `evropuli saqarTvelos~ gayofis dros moxda – gaiyofa arsebul mxardamWerTa xmebi. gaxaria xmas waarTmevs isev `ocnebas~, opoziciuri amomrCevlisTvis igi yovelTvis antigmirad darCeba, rogorc axalgazrdebisTvis Tvalis daTxraze pasuxismgebeli piri.
– daaanonseT, rom CamoayalibebdiT axal samoqalaqo moZraobas. am mxriv ra ikveTeba?
– garkveuli gundi ukve SevikribeT, am gundis calkeuli wevrebi saqarTvelos sxvadasxva kuTxeSi gamoirCevian samoqalaqo aqtivobiT, iniciativebiT, profesionalizmiT. . . axla ukve erToblivad vmuSaobT rig sakiTxebze.
– baTumSi mimdinare movlenebs rogor SeafasebdiT?
– samwuxarod, dRes baTumi mxolod korufciuli miRwevebiT da saeWvo garigebebiT `gamoirCeva~. moqmedi xelisufleba `warmatebiT~ agrZelebs `nacionaluri moZraobis~ mTavrobis mavne praqtikas da kulturuli memkvidreobis ganadgurebis xarjze cdilobs turistuli industriis ganviTarebas. baTumis unikaluri sajaro sivrceebi sxvisdeba saeWvo da, savaraudod, korufciuli garigebebis sanacvlod, moqalaqeebs ki araTu sajaro ganxilvebze gveZaxian, aramed sakrebulos sxdomebzec ki ar gviSveben da gvizRudaven konstituciur uflebebs. faqtobrivad, biZina ivaniSvilis daanonsebuli `gasaocari demokratia~ damyarda. amis sademonstraciod erTi faqtic kmara – demokratiuli msofliosTvis uprecedento movlena, roca xalxis arCeuli meri partiam gadaayena da susis staJiani kadri dagvisva mis adgilas. adamiani, romlis pirveli sajaro aqtivobac meris movaleobis Sesrulebis dros Sedga.
– ra gegmebi gaqvT?
– gegma martivia, amavdroulad – rTuli: minda qveyanaSi orpartiuli da orpolusiani mmarTvelobis dasrulebas Sevuwyo xeli, aseve didi survili maqvs arsebuli odiozuri politikuri klasi mTlianad CavabaroT warsuls da axalma Taobam aiRos iniciativa. Cemi SesaZleblobebis farglebSi yvelanairad vibrZoleb amisTvis!