,,სპეციალობით ექიმი ვარ და პოლიტიკა ჩემთვის თვითმიზანი არ იყო”
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gasuli saukunis 70-80-ian wlebSi oladauris saSualo skola warmatebul saganmanaTleblo kerad iTvleboda. misi kursdamTavrebulebi saqarTvelosa da ucxoeTis prestiJuli umaRlesi saswavleblebis studentebi xdebodnen. erT-erTi gaxldaT axla 60 wels mitanebuli oTar miqelaZe, cnobili kardiologi da radiologi. igi CvenTan saubrobs.
umcrosi klasebis moswavle viyavi, roca Suaxevis raionul saavadmyofoSi qirurgma nodar dumbaZem apendicitis operacia gamikeTa, yuradReba ar momaklo eqimma guram didmaniZem. maSin am profesiis adamianebisadmi keTili damokidebuleba gamiCnda. eqimebis xSiri pacienti iyo dedaCemic.
– manamde romeli profesia gitacebdaT?
– sofeli, Tanac maSindeli, karCaketili iyo. specialuri saSvis gareSe Sors mcxovrebi naTesavebic ki ver gvstumrobdnen. bavSvis TvalTaxedvis arealic erTob SezRuduli gaxldaT. kargi, bavSvebis mosiyvarule pedagogebi maswavlidnen, mamaCemic qimia-biologiis maswavlebeli iyo, gamorCeulad geografia mitacebda. pedagogis, axla ukve saukunes mitanebuli vaxtang makaraZis rekomendaciiT Tema davamuSave, romelmac TbilisSi, boris ZnelaZis saxelobis sasaxleSi gamarTul SemoqmedebiT konferenciaze pirveli xarisxis diplomi daimsaxura. danarCen sagnebsac kargad vswavlobdi. fizika Zmam, axla cnobilma kibernetikosma, profesorma solomon miqelaZem Semayvara. mitacebda xatva. Cemi naxatebi sakmao mowonebiT sargeblobda. oqros medalosnobis kandidati viyavi, magram biurokratiuli barierebi veRar davZlie. mSobliur enasa da literaturaSi iseTi maswavleblebis, rogoric vaJa makaraZe da SoTa miqelaZe iyvnen, friadze Sefasebuli namuSevari Suaxevis ganaTlebis ganyofilebaSi Camoafases da. . .
– im dros Tbilisis samedicino institutSi moxvedra Zalze rTuli iyo. rogor daZlieT misaRebi gamocdebi?
– pirveli e.w. gamcxrilavi gamocda fizikaSi tardeboda. oladauris skolis kursdamTavrebulebi kargad momzadebulebi rom viyaviT, samedicino institutSic icodnen da Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetSic. im welsac oladauris saSualo skolis 17 kursdamTavrebuli studenti gavxdiT. Cemi klaselebi iyvnen cnobili mecnieri, filologiur mecnierebaTa doqtori, profesori, saqarTvelos parlamentis ori mowvevis maJoritari deputati elguja makaraZe, baTumis respublikuri saavadmyofos axlandeli xelmZRvaneli solomon futkaraZe. elguja universitetSi Cairicxa, Cven – samedicino institutis samkurnalo fakultetze.
– miqelaZe saqarTveloSi sakmaod didi gvaria. mareTis xeobaSi am gvaris xalxi jumuSaursa da maxalakiZeebSi saxlobT. saidan – sad?
– babuaCemi mixeili, misi sisxliT naTesavi nestori mareTis xeobasa da aWaris mTianeTSi cnobili adamianebi iyvnen. nestori meore msoflio omis wlebSi yaraderes Temis sabWos xelmZRvanelobda, mixeili cnobili agronomi iyo. igi samtrediaSi, kulaSis sasoflo-sameurneo institutSi kvalifikacias imaRlebda. iqaurma miqelaZeebma (miqanaZeebma) moinaxules da uambes im dakarguli naTesavis Sesaxeb, romelsac TviTgadarCenis mizniT, Tavi mareTis xeobaSi Seufarebia.
– jumuSauris Savbnel warsulze sxvadasxvagvari versia arsebobs?
– dasaxlebis mkvidrebma, cnobilma Jurnalistma, publicistma, mklevarma oTar futkaraZem, aw gardacvlilma cnobilma pedagogma SoTa miqelaZem, mamaCemma, yofilma sajaro moxelem nodar futkaraZem, istoriul wyaroebze, saarqivo masalebze dayrdnobiT, mravali saintereso faqti gaacnes sazogadoebas. axla istoriuli warsulis ZiebaSi solomoni, genadi miqelaZe da me CaverTeT. jumuSauridan ayrili ojaxebi afrikis kontinentamde CauyvaniaT, bevri TurqeTSic darCenila. maSinac da axlac jumuSaurelebs daumorCilebloba mogvsdevs.
– daumorCileblobaSi ras gulisxmobT?
– 1980 wels Tbilisis samedicino institutis studenti rom gavxdi, aWaridan sakmaod mobilizebuli, patriotuli suliskveTebis axalgazrdebi erTad viyridiT Tavs. studentTa saerTo sacxovrebelSi davbinavdi. Cemi oTaxi xSirad iyo politikuri sja-baasis epicentri. me, cxonebuli merab gogitiZe, axla cnobili stomatologi jemal makaraZe da farmacevti tariel qarcivaZe erT oTaxSi vcxovrobdiT. 1980 wlidan 1986 wlamde, yvelasTan, vinc Tbilisis umaRles saswavleblebSi swavlobda, siaxlove mqonda. winamorbedebs ukve gadatanili hqondaT 1978 wlis 14 aprilis movlenebi. axla iolia gansja, magram maSin maTi sicocxle bewvze ekida. qveynis maSindel liders goniereba rom ar gamoeCina, 1956 wlis 9 marti ganmeordeboda. erovnuli moZraoba im wlebSi iatakqveSeTSi iyo. studentebs zviad gamsaxurdia, merab kostava patriotul suliskveTebas gviRvivebdnen, komunisturi reJimisadmi daumorCileblobisaken mogviwodebdnen. mec im movlenebis epicentrSi viyavi, sadac Cemi Taoba iyo. am gadasaxedidan Tamamad SemiZlia vTqva, rom skolaSic da umaRles saswavlebelSic saRad moazrovne damrigeblebi myavda. es iyo Taoba, romelmac profesiuli ganaTleba maRal doneze miiRo da Seswevda unari, es codna sxvebisTvis gadaeca.
– 1987 wels studentur cxovrebas, Tbiliss daemSvidobeT da mSobliur kuTxes daubrundiT. ar gagiWirdaT qalaqTan ganSoreba?
– mravali Cemi Tanatoli samedicino institutSi limitiT iyo Caricxuli. maT erTgvari valdebulebac hqondaT, rom mSobliur kuTxeSi ezrunaT adamianebis janmrTelobaze. me SemeZlo samuSao TbilisSi, Tundac baTumSi amerCia, roca internaturas gavdiodi, mqonda baTumSi darCenis SemoTavazeba. urapatriotizmSi ar CamiTvaloT, magram mSobliur kuTxeSi samsaxuri varCie. oladauris ambulatoriaSi beJan beriZe muSaobda. igi Subnis saubno saavadmyofoSi gadaiyvanes. 1987 wels SromiTi naTloba miviRe. 1989 wlidan SubanSic viRebdi pacientebs. . .
– ojaxi rodis SeqmeniT?
– 24 wlis viyavi, roca ojaxs movekide. SemTxveviT gavicani Cemi cxovrebis meg-zuri dali futkaraZe. pirvelive Sexvedraze misdami keTilad ganvewyve. gacnobidan wlisTavze qorwili gadavixadeT. 1988 wlidan erTad movdivarT. ufalma aRar inebos, rom qveynisa da TiToeuli Cvenganis cxovrebaSi gasuli saukunis 90-iani wlebi ganmeordes. Zvelis rRvevam, axlis Ziebam bevri uaryofiTic gaanadgura da dadebiTic Seiwira. Subnis saubno saavadmyofos im statusiT arseboba SeuZlebeli aRmoCnda. kuponebis epoqam yvelas gza-kvali aubnia. molare giorgi beriZes Cveni xelfasi tomriT mohqonda, magram is Tanxa erT qaTamsac ver yidulobda. ojaxs axali wevrebi Seematnen. garemoebam mikarnaxa, sxva asparezi amerCia. gadavwyvite kardiologis specialoba radiologiiT Semecvala, romelic adrec mizidavda. TbilisSi samedicino akademiaSi kvalifikacia avimaRle da baTumis #1 saavadmyofoSi muSaoba daviwye. axlac sinanuliT vixseneb aliko SavaZes. misi moulodneli gardacvaleba CemTvis Tavzardamcemi iyo.
– sxvebTan erTad daupirispirdiT im separatistul reJims, romelic qveynis momavlisTvis miuRebeli iyo. aseT qmedebamde ra garemoebebma migiyvanaT?
– Cemi politikuri aqtivoba im reJimamde daiwyo. 1989 wels megobrebTan ilia qarcivaZesTan, SoTa futkaraZesTan erTad, SuaxevSi helsinkis kavSiri davafuZne. raionul doneze moZraobaSi aqtiurad CaverTeT. ver davukargavT amags saxalxo frontelebs nodar zoiZis xelmZRvanelobiT. iyo didi winaaRmdegobac. pirvel arCevnebze oladauris Temis deputatad amirCies. specialobiT eqimi var da politika CemTvis TviTmizani ar iyo. arsebuli garemoebebis gamo politika CemTan Tavad movida. im momentisTvis politika da qveynis momavali erTmaneTs gadaejaWva. vinc zviad gamsaxurdias da merab kostavas ideebiT movdiodiT, politikuri pauza gagvakeTebines. samoqalaqo omis msvlelobisas TbilisSi Cavedi. sainformacio saSualebebi erTs ambobdnen, realoba sul sxva iyo. imedgacruebuli davbrundi. politikidan cota Sors daviWire Tavi, magram 21-e saukunis sawyisma wlebma politikaSi dabruneba gadamawyvetina. axlac mwared maxsendeba, rom yvelaferi erTi adamianis, misi garemocvis interesebze iyo morgebuli, separatizmis elementebi aSkarad Canda, adamianis uflebebi aSkarad irRveoda. . . moZraoba `Cveni aWaris~ darbazis wevri viyavi. gamosvlebSic aqtiurad gamoCnda Cemi da sxva liderebis pozicia, rac im reJimis damxobiT dasrulda.
– gamonaTlevis wminda giorgis saxelobis taZari qvelmoqmedebiT aSenda. ra wili gaiReT?
– saintereso faqtebis momswreni varT. jer kidev 90-iani wlebis dasawyisSi vcadeT oladauris Temis sakrebulos sxdomaze gagvetana gamonaTlevSi eklesiis aSenebis proeqti. SemdegSi es idea Cemma Tanaklaselma, kolegam, axla qveyanasa da regionSi warmatebulma medikosma, profesorma solomon futkaraZem aitaca. iyo xelisSemSleli garemoebebic, magram uflis wyalobiT dawyebuli saSviliSvilo saqme, Rirseulad dasrulda. Cemi monawileoba, ra Tqma unda, iyo. sadac axla taZari dgas, mis siaxloves Cems ojaxs 1700 kvadratuli metri miwis nakveTi hqonda. is nakveTi im miwis mepatrones gadavucvaleT, sadac axla taZari dgas da mSenebare taZars SevwireT. iyo solomonis Txovnac da SevusruleT kidec.
– ojaxis damokidebuleba marTmadideblobisadmi, eklesiurobisadmi?
– eklesiuroba sakmaod didi mcnebaa. saqme naTlobaze Tu midga, SviliSvilebis CaTvliT, yvela monaTlulia, magram gulwrfelad vaRiareb, rom eklesiaSi intensiurad ver davdivarT da ritualebs ver vasrulebT. mwams ufali, eklesia ki uflis saxlia. yvelas erTi ubedureba gvWirs: roca gagviWirdeba, ufals, eklesias, marTlmadideblur siwmindeebs maSin vixsenebT, kargad roca varT, maSin arc Sesawiri yuTi gvaxsendeba da arc taZarSi mosalocad misvla.
– am aRiarebis miuxedavad, yovel giorgobaze, ojaxTan erTad, gamonaTlevSi modixarT. . . .
– vcdilob, ara marto giorgobaze, aramed sxva dReebSic mivide taZarSi da moviloco. maxsendeba is wlebi, roca wminda giorgis xsenebis (6 maisi), wminda giorgis borbalze wamebis (23 noemberi) dReebs `mareTobis~ saxalxo dResaswaulze vzeimobdiT. es Cemi da megobrebis idea iyo. 6 maisis giorgobam Caiara. survili maqvs `mareTobis~ dResaswaulsac daveswro.
– `mareToba~ xSirad adgils icvlis. sad gaimarTeba momavali dResaswauli?
– sazogadoebis gamgeobis TiToeuli wevris mizania, zeimi taZris siaxloves Catardes. unda aRvadginoT qarTuli Widaobis is tradicia, romelsac saTave 2006 wels daedo. maxsendeba is xuTi dResaswauli, roca `mareTis falavnis~ prizis mosapoveblad msoflioSi cnobili moWidaveebic Camodiodnen da adgilobriv moWidaveebs magaliTs aZlevdnen. amags ver davukargavT paata uriadmyofels. Widaobas sportis sxva saxeobebi da adgilobrivi folklori exameboda.
– ramdenime winadadebiT ojaxzec gviTxariT?
– ukve vTqvi Cemi da dalis urTierTobis Sesaxeb. man SromiTi kariera SuaxevSi daiwyo, muSaobda baTumis merve sajaro skolaSi, iyo qalaq baTumis baga-baRebis gaerTianebis direqtori. amis Semdeg akademiuri doqtoris xarisxi moipova. axla aWaris ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis saministroSi skolamdeli aRzrdis koordinatorad muSaobs. ufrosma vaJma daamTavra umaRlesi saswavlebeli, kievSi gaiara ordinatura. amJamad baTumis wamyvani klinikis travmatolog-orTopedia. nino iuristia da baTumis respublikur saavadmyofoSi adamianuri resursebis menejerad muSaobs. rZali qristina koroxaSvili-miqelaZe eqimia, isic specialobiT radiologia.
– mamiseuli kerisadmi Tqveni damokidebuleba. . .
– Cemi susti wertili isaa, rom avadmyofurad miyvars mareTis xeoba, Cemi jumuSauri. aris SemTxvevebi, roca Tovlian RameSi saxlSi avdivar, sicivis miuxedavad, kar-fanjrebs gamovaReb, buxarSi jirkebs Sevyri da mTel Rames buxarTan Camomjdari vatareb. uTenia, isev qalaqs mivaSureb. saxls, ezos, futkaraZeebis ojaxi patronobs. diliT Tovlze nakvalevs rom SeamCneven, iwyeba telefonze rekva. samsaxuri saSualebas ar iZleva – hospitalSi erTi specialisti var, Torem TveSi 4-5 dRes jumuSaurSi gavatarebdi. moveferebi adgilis dedas, winaprebis saZvaleebs. vcdilob, Svilebi, SviliSvilebi im siamovnebas vaziaro, rac CemTvis umTavresia.
– mamisa da Zmis avtoritets Tu amofarebixarT?
– raRacnairad, orives avtoriteti muSaobs, Tumca ar vcdilob, miznobrivad gamoviyeno. erTiT ki viwoneb Tavs da sul gaviZaxi: Tavadi miqelaZeebis STamomavali var. oTxi dedmamiSvili varT – ori da da ori Zma. debidan erTi samebaSi cxovrobs, meore mawyvalTaSi iyo gaTxovili da Semdeg Tbilisis SemogarenSi – krwanisSi gadavida sacxovreblad. isinic umaRlesi ganaTlebiT arian.
