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medea vasaZe umaRlesi sabWos opozicioner deputatTa Soris erT-erTia, romelmac ramdenime Tvis win gancxadebiT mimarTa regionis sakanonmdeblo organos uflebamosilebis Sewyvetis Taobaze. aWaris umaRlesi sabWos 20 maisis plenarul sxdomaze deputatebma kolegebisTvis uflebamosilebis Sewyvetis sakiTxs mxari ar dauWires. Seva Tu ara sakanonmdeblo organoSi 6 opozicioneri deputati, saboloo gadawyvetileba miRebuli araa, Tumca, am etapze, isini kategoriulebi ar arian da, didi albaTobiT, warmomadgenlobiT organoSi sul male vixilavT. medea vasaZe umaRles sabWoSi Sesvlis survils Riad afiqsirebs. mouwona Tu ara kolegebs 20 maisis gadawyvetileba, am da sxva detalebiT is dRes Cveni gazeTis stumaria.
– qalbatono medea, ramdenime Tvis win gancxadebiT mimarTeT umaRles sabWos TqvenTvis uflebamosilebis SesaCereblad, Tumca am sakiTxs 20 maisis plenarul sxdomaze deputatebma mxari ar dauWires. rogor SeafasebT kolegebis gadawyvetilebas?
– me ar gaxlavarT `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevri, Cemi saarCevno siaSi yofna ganapiroba iman, rom Seiqmna gaerTianebuli opozicia da `emsaxure saqarTvelos~ kvotiT aRmovCndi saarCevno siaSi – me-4 sapatio adgili mekava miuxedavad imisa, rom 9 wlis ganmavlobaSi `erTian nacionalur moZraobasTan~ voponirebdi. praqtikulad, migvaCnia da piradad me vTvli, rom 2020 wlis arCevnebi gayalbda da erTianobaSi, Cven, arCeulma deputatebma, gadavwyviteT, ar SevsuliyaviT arc parlamentSi da arc umaRles sabWoSi, ar migveniWebina legitimacia rogorc saqarTvelos parlamentisTvis, ise umaRlesi sabWosTvis. magram iciT, rom aWaris umaRles sabWosa da saqarTvelos parlamentSi gasul deputatTa Tanafardoba sxvagvarad Camoyalibda. aWaraSi `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ garda, sxva partiebma ver gaimarjves, Tumc 14 deputati hyavs mmarTvel gunds da sakonstitucio sakiTxebis gadawyvetis saSualeba gaaCniaT, magram ase ar iyo garkveul periodamde saqarTvelos parlamentSi. garkveuli periodis ganmavlobaSi, politikuri procesebi CixSi iyo Sesuli, quCam, saprotesto aqciebma miiqcia Cveni megobari qveynebis yuradReba da maTi CarTulobiT moxda opoziciisa da xelisuflebis SeTanxmeba rig sakiTxebze. vTvli, rom rig sakiTxebze xelmowera da Sesabamisad, Semdeg parlamentSi Sesvla opoziciis nawilis mxridan naCqarevi iyo, radgan am sakiTxebis irgvliv arsebobs kiTxvebi, romlebic Sinaarsobrivad mniSvnelovania, magram, Cven SevecadeT `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ Tavmjdomaris nika melias gaTavisuflebaze gagvekeTebina aqcenti da me piradad, iseve, rogorc danarCeni 5 deputati, davelode mis gaTavisuflebas. gaTavisuflda nika melia, Tumca, rom vfiqrobdi, sakiTxi myisierad gadawydeboda, ar gadawyda, mainc winaaRmdegobrivi aRmoCnda Sesvla-arSesvlis sakiTxi. rogorc aRvniSne, me ar var `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevri, anu konkretul procesSi ar verTvebi – politsabWos da Sida TaTbirebSi ar vmonawileob. rogorc viciT, partiis liderebi ukrainaSi gaivlian konsultacias mixeil saakaSvilTan da amis Semdeg gadawydeba, SevalT Tu ara sakanonmdeblo organoebSi.
– mmarTveli gundi ambobs, rom wlebis ganmavlobaSi `ocnebas~ abralebdnen, rom araformaluri mmarTveli hyavda, Tumca faqti saxezea, araformaluri mmarTveli hyavs `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~ da damoukideblad ver iReben gadawyvetilebas: ra xasiaTzec gaiRviZebs mixeil saakaSvili, imis mixedviT gadawydeba arCeuli deputatebis bedi. . .
– marto nika melia araa wasuli ukrainaSi, masTan erTad daaxloebiT 15 adamiania, maT Soris, umetesoba `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ politsabWos wevrebi – sakanonmdeblo organoebSi Sesvlis mowinaaRmdegeebic da momxreebic. vfiqrob, rom Sesvlis gadawyvetileba iqneba miRebuli. quCam amowura Tavisi mniSvneloba, Tumc quCasac Cveni qveynisTvis bevri sikeTe moutania. quCam moitana is Sedegi, rac gvaqvs da romelic mgonia wingadadgmuli nabijia, magram parlamentidan da umaRlesi sabWos tribunidan naTqvami sityva sxvaa. opozicia ar aris umaRles sabWoSi, marTalia, irakli CavleiSvili Sevida, Tumca ara mgonia, marto misi Zalisxmeva sakmarisi iyos opoziciuri ganwyobis Sesaqmnelad. amitom vfiqrob, procesebSi Cemi CarTulobac kargi iqneba.
– da Tqven rogor afasebT umaRlesi sabWos 20 maisis gadawyvetilebas?
– mgonia, rom es karl harcelis vizits ukavSirdeba.
– amas ar adastureben mmarTvel gundSi. iqneb ufro konkretulad gviTxraT, Tqveni, rogorc erTi deputatis pozicia rogoria mmarTveli gundis gadawyvetilebaze?
– vfiqrob, Cveni sakanonmdeblo organoSi Sesvla mxolod Cvens interesebSi araa. es sWirdeba sakanonmdeblo organos da Cveni qveynisTvisaa aucilebeli. adre rom SeewyvitaT uflebamosileba, ise, rogorc kanonSi weria, iqneboda marTebuli, magram dRes Cveni uflebamosilebis Sewyveta daupirispirdeboda im SeTanxmebas, rac opoziciasa da xelisuflebas Sorisaa dadebuli da uTanxmoebas gamoiwvevda im qveynebTan, romlebmac garkveuli wvlili Seitanes da Zalisxmeva Cades mediaciaSi, nika melias gaTavisuflebaSi – giraos Tanxa xom evrokavSirma gadaixada. vfiqrob, am yvelaferma erTad iqonia gavlena, elCis stumrobamac. SesaZloa, mas TiTi aravisTvis dauqnevia, magram rekomendaciebs miscemda. amis Tqmis saSualebas maZlevs is, rom erTi gansxvavebuli azri ar iyo Cveni uflebamosilebis Sewyvetis Taobaze, erTxmad miiRes gadawyvetileba.
– sesiaze gaJRerda Tqveni saxeli da gvari. umravlesobis deputatma lado mgalobliSvilma Tqva, rom piradad Tqvens pozicias pativs scems, vinaidan gsurT sakanonmdeblo organoSi Semosvla da ar TamaSobT, sxvebisgan gansxvavebiT. Tu `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ ar Sevida sakanonmdeblo organoSi, romlis wevric ar xarT, ra gadawyvetilebas miiRebT?
– kargia, rom ase fasdeba Cemi pozicia, radgan gulwrfeloba aneitralebs danarCen yvelafers, magram saerTo gadawyvetilebidan gamovide, amisTvis ver movemzade da ratom, amasac aqve getyviT. imitom ki ara, rom Zalian var integrirebuli `erTian nacionalur moZraobasTan~, imaTac uWirT CemTan integracia, radgan 9 weli, aqtiurad vmonawileobdi maTi xelisuflebidan gaSvebaSi. ubralod, politikurma viTarebam moiTxova, Seiqmna gaerTianebuli opozicia da mec gavixsene yvelaferi is, rac kargi iyo maTi mmarTvelobis periodSi – is, rom saxelmwifo saxelwifos daemsgavsa, instituciebi Camoyalibda, mSenebloba daiwyo, Tumca mizezi, ris gamoc maTTan viyavi oponirebaSi ki arada brZolaSi, iyo adamianis uflebebi da dResac Zalian Riad, pirdapir da uSualod vlaparakob am sakiTxebze, rac Tvis droze Zalian mZime iyo CemTvis. marTalia, Zalian integrirebuli ar var `erTian nacionalur moZraobasTan~, magram ramdenime megobari SeviZine. bolos da bolos, maqvs moraluri pasuxismgebloba – meoTxe, gamsvleli nomeri viyavi siaSi, rac garkveulwilad valdebulebaa im adamianebis winaSe, romlebic gamocdilebi iyvnen partiis erTgulebasa da siyvarulSi mTeli 9 wlis ganmavlobaSi da me maT Cavenacvle. gemaxsovrebaT Cemi damoukideblad kenWisyra, warmatebuli ver aRmovCndi. sabolood imis Tqma minda, rom saerTo gadawyvetilebidan gamosvlas ar vapireb.
– anu, Tu `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ uars ityvis sakanonmdeblo organoSi Sesvlaze, arc Tqven SexvalT?
– amomrCevlis gadawyvetilebas pativs vcem, es adamianebi TveobiT quCaSi idgnen da aprotestebdnen CvenTan erTad im faqts, rom arCevnebi gayalbda.
– qalbatono medea, ukve meorejer TqviT, rom arCevnebi gayalbda, magram, amas arc erTi saerTaSoroso organizacia ar adasturebs. ufro metic, parlamentSi Seiqmna sagamoZiebo komisia da masSi monawileobaze opoziciam uari Tqva.
– Semxvedri kiTxva meqneba, unaxavs vinmes sagamoZiebo komisiis mier miRebuli daskvna da rekomendacia ganxorcielebuliyos? 6 Tvis Semdeg rogor SeiZleba gayalbebis faqtebis mtkiceba. oqmebSi aris Seusabamobebi da opoziciis xmebis udidesi raodenoba baTiladaa cnobili. me videqi saarCevno ubanze da vxedavdi yvelafers, gayalbeba xom marto saarCevno yuTTan ar xdeba, amomrCevlis iZulebiT moyvana, materialuri dainteresebac gayalbebaa. axlac ki dawyebuli aqvT fulis akumulireba partiaSi, gaJRerda, rom vadamdel arCevnebs velodebodiT da daviwyeT fulis Segrovebao. ise, gulwrfelad getyiT, megona `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~ meti finansuri resursi hqonda, magram ase ar aRmoCnda.
– rogor gavigoT, Tqven ar endobiT saerTaSoriso organizaciebis daskvnebs?
– ndoba-arndobaze araa sakiTxi, diplomatiur saubrebs aqvs Tavisi wesi, arc erTi Cveni megobari qveyana pirdapir da uxeSad ar ereva Cvens Sida politikur sakiTxebSi. maTi mxridan miniSnebebi, winadadebebi da sityvebi aris daskvnebSi, rac imas niSnavs, rom arCevnebi gayalbda. me miWirs sakuTar qveyanaSi imis damtkiceba, rom arCevnebi gayalbda da ucxoeli partniorebi mtkicebiT formaSi gancxadebebs ar gaakeTebdnen. ise, Cems qveyanaSi ra xdeba, Cemze ukeT veravin xedavs. kargi iqneba, Tu SevalT da gamovacocxlebT umaRles sabWos, radgan JurnalistebisTvisac, vfiqrob, araa saintereso iqauroba, adgili, sadac gansxvavebuli azri ar fiqsirdeba.
– umravlesoba xazgasmiT ambobs, rom arCeuli deputatis adgili sakanonmdeblo organoSia da imasac, rom opozicia unda iyos warmodgenili umaRles sabWoSi…
– sakonstitucio umravlesoba ki aqvT, magram, iq ar aris warmodgenili opozicia. aWaraSi sxva partiebs ar gaumarjviaT da saqarTvelos parlamentSi amis problema araa, Sevida opozicia da mravalferovania sakanonmdeblo organo. vfiqrob, aWaris umaRles sabWoSic da saqarTvelos parlamentSic unda iyos `erTiani nacionaluri moraoba~ – naxevari milioni amomrCevlis poziciis gasaxmovaneblad. dadasturebulad ver getyviT, magram vimedovneb male vixilavT `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~ sakanonmdeblo organoebSi.
– qalbatono medea, ar fiqrobT, rom partia Tu ar Seva sakanonmdeblo organoebSi, es maTTvis iqneba cudi, radgan kars momdgaria adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi?
– diax, adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebisTvis mzadebaa dasawyebi, Zalian mniSvnelovani arCevnebia, romelsac Sinaarsobrivad referendumis xasiaTi gaaCnia. Cveni politikuri dRis wesrigi unda iyos is, rom sakanonmdeblo organoebSi Sesvla aucilebelia, Tanac evropam ramdeni Sroma Cado am sakiTxTan mimarTebiT da nika melias giraos Tanxac gadaixada. ar SeiZleba am yvelafris ugulebelyofa. modiT, davelodoT movlenebs, sul ramdenime dReSi gvecodineba, ra gadawyvetilebas miiRebs `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~.
