,,კიდევ ერთხელ დადასტურდა, რომ ,,ნაციონალური მოძრაობა”, თავისი განშტოებებით, მთლიანად ერთ კაცზეა დამოკიდებული
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evrokavSiris araerTi mcdelobiT, bolos da bolos, moxerxda politikuri krizisis ganmuxtva. Tumca `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ Tavmjdomaris nika melias gancxadebiT, partia evropuli mediaciiT SeTavazebul dokuments xels ar moawers, radgan `iq aris erTi punqti, romelic kategoriuladaa miuRebeli~. 30 maiss gamarTul politsabWos sxdomaze gadawyda, rom `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ Sewyvetda boikots da daiwyebda saparlamento saqmianobas.
mmarTvel gundSi ki miaCniaT, rom amas ukve arsebiTi mniSvneloba aRar eqneba, radgan yvela mxare daiRala drois gawelviT. igive mosazreba aqvT sxva opoziciuri partiebis nawilsac.
am Temaze gTavazobT aWaris umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomaris moadgilis tite aroSiZis intervius.
– batono tite, ras fiqrobT `nacionaluri moZraobis~ sakanonmdeblo organoebSi SesvlasTan dakavSirebiT?
– amomrCevlis nebas unda sce pativi da aqedan gamomdinare, kargi gaakeTes, rom Semovidnen sakanonmdeblo organoebSi. romeli arCevnebic ar unda iyos, saparlamento Tu TviTmmarTvelobis, eleqtorati afiqsirebs sakuTar nebas da aqedan gamomdinare unda gadawydes arCeuli subieqtis Semdgomi qmedebebi. Tuki ar surdaT monawileoba, Tavidanve eTqvaT, postfaqtum amaze msjeloba da Sesvla-arSesvliT apelireba ar aris misaRebi qveynis arc erTi mTavrobisTvis. erTi procentic rom hqondeT miRebuli, isic unda daafason da waradginon saqveyno tribunidan amomrCevlis neba. gajiuteba da sxvadasxva mizezis moSvelieba (ukve normalur mizezsac veRar asaxelebdnen) ar amarTlebs im adamianebs, qveynis opoziciis politikur elitad rom moaqT Tavi. es im xalxis upativcemulobaa, romelmac gamoxata sakuTari azri 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebze.
– rogor fiqrobT, mainc ratom moiqcnen ase?
– ar hqondaT sxva brZaneba da imitom. swored am arCevnebma daadastura, rom `nacionaluri moZraoba~, Tavisi ganStoebebiT, erT kaczea mTlianad damokidebuli da sanam `man~ (saakaSvili) ar gasca dasturi, manam ar Semovidnen – arc umaRles sabWoSi da arc parlamentSi. amden xans konsultaciebis ki ara, kievidan gastrolioris gadawyvetilebis molodinSi iyvnen. aRvniSnav, partias, romelsac aqvs saxelmwifos marTvis pretenzia da elementarul, kanonier gadawyvetilebas ver iRebs beladis gareSe, raTa quCidan ki ara, sakanonmdeblo organodan CaerTos oponirebaSi, verc mTavrobas Camoayalibebs da verc xalxs gauZRveba.
– saqarTveloSi, ZiriTadad, swored erT pirovnebazea agebuli mmarTveli partiis funqcionireba, partiuli disciplinac TamaSobs did rols.
– Cven ukan CamovitoveT erTpirovnuli mmarTvelobis warsulis es maxinji gadmonaSTi. amaT surT igives mobruneba da avtoritaruli mmarTvelobis gagrZeleba, rac ar gamouvaT.
– `qarTul ocnebas~ swored erT kacze `agebul~ partiad asaxeleben. . .
– wavida is kaci, wavida meore, magram `qarTuli ocneba~ ar daSlila, isev agrZelebs funqcionirebas da qveynis marTvas. Cven kidev ufro gavZlierdiT, meti momxreebic gvyavs, rasac davamtkicebT kidec TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze.
– ukve Riad acxadebdnen, rom aRarc iyo aucilebeli `nacionaluri moZraobis~ sakanonmdeblo organoebSi Semosvla. am azrs eTanxmeboda opoziciis nawilic. Tqven?
– axlo warsuls, arCevnebis Semdgom periods Tu gadavavlebT Tvals, gavixsenebT, rom raRac etapze opozicia realurad gaerTianda. erT mxares dadgnen rogorc destruqciuli Zalebi, ise is partiebi, visac namdvilad swamda gayalbebis, magram rogorc ki saerTaSoriso organizaciebma, maT Soris imaTmac, `nacionalur moZraobaze~ rom arian orientirebuli, daadastures – aranairi darRveva da gayalbeba ar yofilao, opoziciis nawilma gadawyvita gamijvnoda am process da Sesuliyo parlamentSi. `nacionaluri moZraoba~ ki iseT destruqciul Zalad Camoyalibda, vfiqrob, male xmamaRla ganacxadebs, Cven varT sabotaJis momxreebi da ar gvinda qveynis winsvla da aRmSeneblobao. Cemi azriT, `nacionalebma~ araerTxel daamtkices, saxelmwifosTvis saziano nabijebs rom dgamen absoluturad yvela mimarTulebiT. amis miuxedavad, gavmeordebi da vityvi, es gadawyvetileba karg nabijad unda SevafasoT, Tumca Tavidanve vicodiT da araerTxel gviTqvams, rom isini aucileblad Semovidodnen sakanonmdeblo organoebSi, ubralod, Souebs dgamen amomrCevlis yuradRebis misapyrobado. asec gamovida. ar datova saakaSvilma parlamenti Tavisi xalxis gareSe. quCidan am procesebs rom ver warmarTavda, isic cxadi iyo. Tanac mmarTvelma partiam yvela punqtis Sesrulebaze izruna, yvelanair daTmobaze wavida SeTanxmebis zedmiwevniT Sesasruleblad. is wiTeli xazebic ki daarRvia, ris gamoc SesaZloa samomavlod problemebic Segveqmnas.
– ras gulisxmobT?
– Tundac is 43%-iani barieri. es ar aris cota, miT umetes, rom mmarTveli gundi ukve me-9 weliwadia, rac saTaveSia da gaaCnia garkveuli politikuri cveTa, magram Cven mainc movawereT xeli da vaCveneT, rom mzad varT arCevnebisTvis da 43%-s ki ara, met xmebsac aviRebT.
– ra gaZlevT amis Tqmis safuZvels?
– Cven varT saqveyno saqmis mkeTebeli erTaderTi Zala, romelic saqarTvelos aRmasvlis sawindaria.
– `girCma~ Semoitana winadadeba, vapatioT saakaSvilso. . .
– rogor SeiZleba apatio saakaSvils, romelmac samarTlebrivs Tavi rom davaneboT, moraluri gzac ki moiWra. ukrainis moqalaqe var da saqarTvelo arafrad miRirso, – ganacxada. emigrantebs mouwoda, Tu magrebi xarT, Tqven CadiT da scadeT iq cxovrebao. amas kaci rom ityvis, ra unda apatio, ra unda ganixilo? Tanac, saakaSvili aris klasikuri damnaSave, romelic araerTxel amxiles rogorc fulis gaTeTrebaSi, korufciaSi, yaCaRuri formirebebis CamoyalibebaSi, cixeebSi patimarTa wamebis sistemis SeqmnaSi, adamianTa uflebebis Selaxvasa da a.S. is ara mxolod Cveni qveynis, saerTaSoriso samarTlis normebsac ki gadascda. amitom araniri ufleba ara aqvs aravis isaubros mis patiebasa da saqarTveloSi zarzeimiT Camoyvanaze.
– ra etapzea dRes saarCevno reformaze muSaobis procesi?
– rogorc ki opozicia Sevida parlamentSi, maSinve daiwyo saarCevno reformaze muSaoba. aqac didi nabijebi gadaidga, rogorc daTmobis TvalsazrisiT, ise dakompleqtebis da sxva regulaciebis mxriv. jer dokuments saboloo saxe ar miuRia, magram darwmunebuli var, iqneba kidev ufro demokratiuli, Ria, progresuli da saqarTvelos realobaSi moaxdens garRvevas saarCevno sistemis mimarTulebiT. am kuTxiT pirveli nabijebi gadadga `qarTulma ocnebam~, rodesac 2020 wlis arCevnebze barieri daswia da proporciulTan maqsimalurad daaxloebuli sistema amoqmedda, amasTan, xmebis raodenobis Camketi zRvari ganisazRvra. 20 wlis ganmavlobaSi saarCevno sistema ase pirvelad Seicvala, axla ki ufro daixveweba dasavluri meqanizmebis amoqmedebiT, amomrCevlebis interesebis gaTvaliswinebiT da sxv.
– adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebisTvis mzadeba daiwyo. merebis da sakrebuloebis wevrTa kandidaturebi ratom ar dasaxelda?
– mzadeba namdvilad daviwyeT, magram kandidatebs, savaraudod, ivnisSi davasaxelebT, rodesac saarCevno garemo Camoyalibdeba. amis Semdeg yvelas SeeZleba sakuTar amomrCevelTn muSaoba.
– minda SevexoT `namoxvanhesis~ mSeneblobasTan dakavSirebiT atexil aJiot-aJs.
– rodesac hesebis mSeneblobaze midgeba saqme, amas yovelTvis protesi mohyveba dasaxlebuli teritoriebidan. swored amitom, msgavsi Tema yovelTvis iqneba vnebaTaRelvis sagani. aucilebelia pragmatuli nabijebis gadadgma da qveynisTvis sasikeTo gadawyvetilebis miReba orive mxridan. SeTanxmeba SesaZlebelia rogorc investorTan, ise saxelmwifosTan da proeqtis mowinaaRmdege mxaresTanac. saqarTvelos ekonomikisaTvis sasicocxlodaa aucilebeli am masStabis hesebis mSenebloba, romelic mogvitans rogorc energodamoukideblobas, ise – mogebasac. Tu gadaxedavT Cveni qveynis tipis sxva saxelmwifoebs, naxavT, rom faqtobrivad, msgavsi hidroresursebis saSualebiT miaRwies energodamoukideblobas. arc Cven unda vTqvaT uari, rodesac viciT, rom amazea damokidebuli ekonomikuri winsvla, socialuri keTildReoba da a.S. amitom samive mxare: investori, saxelmwifo da mosaxleoba unda mivides SeTanxmebamde da ar unda gaxdes es sakiTxi politikuri spekulirebis sagani, sabotaJis safuZveli Tu romelime politikuri subieqtis azrebis gamomxatveli da gadmomcemi.
– `nacionaluri moZraoba~ aWaris mTavrobas biujetis aramiznobriv xarjvaSi adanaSaulebs. rezo xarazis gancxadebiT, pandemiis fonze, mTavroba 230 aTasi lariT, avtomobilebis SeZenas apirebs. xarazi aseve irwmuneba, rom sagzao departamenti avtomobilebs realur fasze metSi yidulobs.
– Tuki baton xarazs aqvs mtkicebulebebi, mimarTos samarTaldamcvelebs. araerTi faqtia, rodesac saxelmwifo xels ki ar afarebs damnaSaveebs, aramed sjis kanonis mTeli simkacriT. ukve yvelam icis, rom gamogonili faqtebiT apelireba gaxda `nacionalebis~ narativi. mec ki mabralebdnen baton Tornike riJvaZis klaselobas, romelic Cemze 12-13 wliT umcrosia, magram xom Tqves, xom atriales Tema? arsebobs Sida Tu gare auditi da Tuki danaSaulia, daisjebian. arada, sakvirvelia, rogor unda imuSaos sagzao departamentma, sandasufTavebam, mTavrobam, Tuki gamarTuli manqanebi ar eyoleba? Semdeg daiwyeben imis gaprotestebas, ratom ver muSaoben kargad, saqmes Tavs ratom ver arTmeven da a.S. sasaciloa da sircxvilia, rodesac Tanamedrove samyaroSi vsaubrobT manqanebis saWiroebaze. calkeuli deputatebisTvis SesaZen komfortul avtomobilebze xom ar aris saubari, aq aRniSnulia teqmanqanebi, romlebic zedamxedvelobisTvis, saqmis keTebisTvis aris aucilebeli da Zalian mniSvnelovani.
– ras gvetyviT premieris SemoTavazebul qveynis aRmSeneblobis gegmaze, ramdenad Segvexeba aWaras?
– Cven gvqonda prezentacia, gafarToebuli Sexvedra, sadac visaubreT am gegmasTan dakavSirebiT. yvela is programa, romelic qveyanaSi amoqmeddeba, amoqmeddeba aWaraSic. Tanac prioritetul mdgomareobaSi varT, iqidan gamomdinare, rom Cveni avtonomiuri biujeti gvaZlevs konkretuli programebis amoqmedebis saSualebas, amas emateba centraluri xelisuflebis transferebi, saxelmwifo biujetidan gamoyofili Tanxebi da saerTaSoriso finansuri daxmarebebi. ZiriTadi yuradReba daeTmoba ukve daanonsebul infrastruqturul proeqtebs. rac Seexeba sxva komponentebs, soflis meurneobasa da warmoebas eTmoba Zalian didi yuradReba. gaTvaliswinebulia rogorc saxelmwifo-sabiujeto, ise saerTaSoriso donori organizaciebis mier gamoyofili Tanxebi da Cven saSualeba gveqneba daCqarebuli tempiT ganvaxorcieloT yvela is proeqti, romelic ekonomikis ganviTarebas da umuSevrobis problemis mogvarebas Seuwyobs xels.
