,,შარლ მიშელის დოკუმენტს ჰყავს მხოლოდ ერთი გამარჯვებული – ეს არის საქართველოს სახელმწიფოებრივი ინტერესი”
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dasavleTisTvis mniSvnelovania saqarTveloSi politikuri procesebis stabiluroba, rac uzrunvelyofs demokratiuli, ekonomikurad gaZlierebuli da dasavleTze orientirebuli qveynis Camoyalibebas. am sakiTxis mogvarebisTvis dasavleTma araerTi qmediTi nabiji gadadga, SegviZlia davasaxeloT Tundac fasilitatorebis Zalisxmeva saqarTvelos parlamentSi opoziciis SesvlasTan dakavSirebiT. rogori politikuri realobaa qveyanaSi, anu raa is aspeqtebi da interesebi, romlebic unda davinaxoT da gavaanalizoT? swored amis Taobaze gvesaubreba saqarTvelos teqnikuri universitetis doqtoranti, baTumis saxelmwifo universitetis leqtori giga fartenaZe.
– saubari bolodroindeli movlenebis SefasebiT daviwyoT, ra procesebi mimdinareobs Cvens qveyanaSi?
– gadaWarbebis gareSe unda iTqvas, rom is, rac dRes Cvens qveyanaSi xdeba, bolo aTwleulis ganmavlobaSi ar axsovs samoqalaqo sazogadoebas. faqtobrivad, sazogadoeba vimyofebiT rogorc politikur, ise socialur qaosSi. raSi gamoixateba es? Aam mosazrebis politikuri nawili aseTia: jer kidev Seusrulebeli e.w. Sarl miSelis dokumenti, Zveli saxeebi – axali politikuri partiis saTaveSi da araerTi saprotesto gamosvla, romelic adamianTa keTildReobis gaumjobesebis motiviT tardeba. vgulisxmobT borjomis, nabeRlavis da WiaTuris aqciebs da, ra Tqma unda, namoxvanhesTan dakavSirebul protests, romlis masStabi gascda rionis xeobas.
– cxadia, aqtualuri sakiTxia namoxvanhesTan dakavSirebuli procesebi, zogni ewinaaRmdegebian msgavsi hesebis mSeneblobas, sxvani ki antihesur moZraobaSi ruseTis kvals xedaven. Tqven ras fiqrobT?
– mkafiod unda aRiniSnos, rom Cveni qveynisTvis energodamoukidebloba sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania, es ki swored msgavsi proeqtebis Sedegad miiRweva. Tumca is procesebi, romlebic mimdinareobs dRes zemoxsenebul hesTan dakavSirebiT, garkveuli manipulaciis saSualebas iZleva, gansakuTrebiT, xelSekrulebis pirobebi, romlebic, vfiqrobT, unda gadaixedos da kontraqtori mxareebi garkveul kompromisze unda wavidnen. rogorc mogexsenebaT, namoxvanhesi gaxlavT erT-erTi yvelaze masStaburi proeqti, romlis Rirebuleba 800 mln lars Seadgens. xelisuflebam da proeqtis ganmaxorcielebelma kompaniam maqsimumi unda gaakeTon imisTvis, rom xelSekrulebis pirobebi (rasac Tavis droze xeli orive mxarem moawera) gadaisinjos da minimumade daiyvanon protestis mizezebi, radgan am kuTxiT aRar datovon kiTxvis niSnebi sazogadoebaSi. vfiqrobT, swored amis Semdeg eqneba mocemul proeqts sazogadoebis sruli mxardaWera. rac Seexeba ruseTis sakiTxs, vfiqrobT, es politikuri manipulaciis nawilia, radgan saqarTvelosTvis ruseTi rigiT meore qveyanaa, visganac denis imports vaxorcielebT.
– SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac Canda, rom opoziciac, rac cota gasakviria, namoxvanhesis aqciis lider varlam goleTians amreziT uyurebda, anu opozicias politikaSi axali saxeebis gamoCena ar unda? yovel SemTxvevaSi, aseT mosazrebas axmovanebs eqspertTa nawili. . .
– qveyanaSi nebismier process, gansakuTrebiT ki iseTs, rogoricaa raRacis gaprotesteba, yovelTvis hyavda, hyavs da eyoleba momxreebi da mowinaaRmdegeebi – sazogadoebis da politikosTa nawili an simpaTiiT, an antipaTiiT xvdeba axal liderebs. Tumca faqtia, rom goleTiani da mis irgvliv gaerTianebuli adamianebi gamoirCevian organizebulobiT, swori da taqtikuri nabijebiT da es ara mxolod opoziciisTvis, aramed saxelisuflebo gundisTvisac garkveul gamowvevad iqca. faqtobrivad, gamoCnda adamianTa erToba, romlebic damoukideblad (opozicia/poziciisgan) ibrZvian qveynis interesebis motivebiT, rasac verc opozicia da verc xelisufleba ver marTavs (yovel SemTxvevaSi, maTi gzavnilebi am daskvnis saSualebas iZleva).
– raki opozicia vaxseneT, minda gkiTxoT, ra moigo da ra waago opoziciam jer boikotis gamocxadebiT da mere parlamentSi SesvliT?
– Sarl miSelis dokuments hyavs mxolod erTi gamarjvebuli – es aris saqarTvelos saxelmwifoebrivi interesi. imeds vitovebT, rom darCenili politikuri partiebi SeuerTdebian SeTanxmebas da xelSekrulebiT gaTvaliswinebuli danarCeni sakiTxebic uaxloes periodSi ganxorcieldeba.
– aSkaraa, rom partiebi ukve araoficialurad CaerTnen saarCevno maraTonSi. am adgilobriv arCevnebze SeZlebs opozicia, jamSi 58 procentis aRebas da amis safuZvelze riggareSe saparlamento arCevnebis daniSvnas?
– wina adgilobrivi arCevnebisgan gansxvavebiT, moaxloebuli arCevnebi (Semodgomaze) radikalurad sxva safexurze ayenebs saarCevno garemos, radgan e.w. axalma politikurma Zalebma (`lelo~, `strategia aRmaSenebeli~, vasaZis da gaxarias partiebi) ZalTa balansis gadanawilebis procesSi SesaZloa, gardamtexi roli iTamaSon, rac, ra Tqma unda, riggareSe arCevnebis daniSvnis albaTobas zrdis.
– nika melia Zalian cdilobs opoziciis gamaerTianebeli iyos, rasac, cxadia, sxva partiaTa liderebi (zogi – aSkarad, zogi – farulad) ewinaaRmdegebian…
– nika melia rom msxvili opoziciuri partiis lideria, es cxadia, Tumca imaze, rom is SesaZloa, gaxdes sruliad opozicuri speqtris lideri da, miT ufro, gamaerTianebeli… faqtebi sapirispiros metyveleben. davelodoT aqtiur saarCevno kampanias, SesaZloa, es Tema saerTo TamaSis nawili aRmoCndes, an iseTi mocemuloba miviRoT, rom opoziciaSive gamoikveTos melias konkurenti. rogorc iciT, WadrakSi warmatebas aRwevs is, visac winaswar kargad aqvs gansazRvruli Tavisi nabijebi.
– opozicias aqvs resursi, rom xelisufleba wnexis qveS moaqcios?
– opozicias unda hqondes xelisuflebis mier daSvebuli Secdomebis (aseTis arsebobis SemTxvevaSi) sworad gamoyenebis unari. opoziciis TviTmizani ar unda iyos sazogadoebisTvis `sainformacio qaosis~ mowyoba. problemebze mxolod realuri faqtebi da maTi gadaWris gzebze saubari aris yvelaze mZlavri iaraRi opoziciisTvis.
– ar wydeba saubari mesame Zalaze. vin SeiZleba mogvevlinos am Zalad?
– politikuri procesi, romelic dRes qveyanaSi mimdinareobs, iZleva mesame Zalis aRmocenebaze saubris saSualebas, Tumca minda xazi gavusva Semdeg garemoebas – mesame Zala, rogorc calke aRebuli, konkretuli partia dRevandel qarTul politikur sivrceSi ar moiZebneba.
– xom ar aris mosalodneli, rom Tavad mTavrobam Seqmnas kontrolirebadi mesame Zala da am mxriv ras ityviT giorgi gaxariasa da levan vasaZis partiebis Sansebze?
– varaudebi Sors wagviyvans, Tumca erTi ram danamdvilebiT unda iTqvas: politika aris kompromisebis, interesebisa da moulodneli gadawyvetilebebis xelovneba, romelic ra dros ra `siurprizs~ umzadebs sazogadoebas, gadawyvetilebis mimReb pirebzea damokidebuli.
– eqspertebi acxadeben, rom Tu opozicia maJoritarul olqebSi gaerTiandeba da erT kandidatze Sejerdeba, mmarTvel gunds gauWirdeba gamarjveba maJoritarul olqebSic. . .
– bunebrivia, xelisuflebisTvis 2021 wlis oqtombris arCevnebi ar da ver iqneba martivad gadasagorebeli. aseT SemTxvevaSi erTaderTi, ramac SeiZleba iTamaSos gardamtexi roli, gaxlavT swori sakadro politika. bunebrivia, opoziciis Sansebi maSin gaormagdeba, Tu saerTo kandidatebze Sejerdebian da ase wardgebian adgilobriv maJoritarul olqebSi. sxva mocemulobiT, saxelisuflebo kandidati ualternativod moipovebs mandats.
– mosaxleobis 45-ma procentma wina arCevnebSi ar miiRo monawileoba, adgilobriv arCevnebSi es amomrCeveli (Tu, ra Tqma unda, iaqtiurebs) romel Zalas miemxroba?
– mosaxleobis pasiuroba, zogadad, araxalia, wina wlebs rom gadavxedoT, faqtobrivad, dinamika arc iklebs da arc imatebs. arc moaxloebul arCevnebSi velodebiT am cifris kardinalur cvlilebas, rac swored imiT aixsneba, rom sazogadoebis didi nawili nihilisturad aris ganwyobili saarCevno procesis mimarT, rac calsaxad aucileblad unda Seicvalos da amaze upirveles yovlisa, saxelmwifom unda izrunos, Semdeg ki sxvadasxva samoqalaqo Tu politikurma partiebma.
– dabolos, araxalia, rom Cveni qveyana didadaa damokidebuli dasavleTis mxardaWeraze. ra xdeba msoflioSi iseTi, ramac SesaZloa, gavlena iqonios saqarTvelos rogorc saSinao, ise sagareo politikaze?
– saqarTvelo dasavleTis gareSe – es igivea, rom davbrundeT sabWoTa kavSirSi da kidev erTxel gaviyinoT iq, saidanac dRemde didi ZalisxmeviT movediT. mimaCnia, rom msoflioSi mimdinare procesebs ki ar unda elodos Cveni qveyana, raTa gaiRos SesaZleblobebis fanjara, piriqiT, saqarTvelom unda Seqmnas es mocemuloba Tavisi Tanmimdevruli, stabiluri da uryevi rogorc saSinao, ise sagareo politikuri procesebis dagegmviT. dasavleTs ar unda vasvenebdeT Cveni umoqmedobiT da lodiniT, piriqiT, vaiZuloT, rom yvela SesaZlo tribunidan gakeTebul gancxadebas mohyves Sesabamisi qmediTi nabijebi, rasac eqneba erTi da gamokveTili samizne – evrokavSirisa da natos srulfasovani da damsaxurebuli wevroba!