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ramdenime dRis win yofilma premierma giorgi gaxariam partia `saqarTvelosTvis~ prezentacia gamarTa da sakuTari gundi sazogadoebas warudgina. am faqts erTnairad negatiurad Sexvdnen rogorc mmarTvel gundSi, ise opoziciur partiebSi, radgan masSi realuri mowinaaRmdege dainaxes moaxloebul arCevnebSi.
wardginebaze partiis Tavmjdomarem ganacxada: `bolo periodis ganmavlobaSi Tvalyurs vadevnebT qveyanaSi politikur procesebs. CemTvis da darwmunebuli var, bevri moqalaqisTvis, absoluturad naTelia, rom dRes saqarTvelos sWirdeba is gundi, romelsac SeuZlia simarTles gausworos Tvali da unari Seswevs simarTle uTxras saqarTvelos moqalaqes im gamowvevebze, romlis winaSec qveyana dgas. vapirebT moqalaqeebTan erTad, maTi CarTulobiT, qveyanas SevTavazoT wesrigi, oRond samarTliani wesrigi. vgulisxmob im sivrces, romelSic yvela erTad SevZlebT SesaZleblobebis Sesabamisad vemsaxuroT samSoblos da saxelmwifos. kargad unda gvesmodes, simarTlis Zala mdgomareobs imaSi, rom ar unda vicxovroT iluziaSi. . . politikur partiebs Soris kinklaoba SeiZleba viRacas qveynisTvis progresis momtanad miaCndes. ara! yvelaze karg SemTxvevaSi, Cven erT adgils vtkepniT, cud SemTxvevaSi ki qveyana ixevs ukan. . . nebismieri axali xelisufleba, mosvlisTanave, dabejiTebiT angrevda misi winamorbedis datovebul STamomavlobas imis miuxedavad, ramdenad gonivruli, an kargi iyo es, rac gaxda qveynis erT adgilze dgomis ZiriTadi mizezi. CavTvaloT, rom Cven, yvelani vaSenebT saxls, rom TiToeuli xelisuflebis valdebulebaa erTi sarTuli mainc daaSenos winaprebis datovebul fundaments. am SemTxvevaSi, yvelas kargad unda gvesmodes, rom nebismieri axali xelisufleba, yvelanairi gonivrulobis farglebs miRma, rodesac iwyebs ngrevas, ra Tqma unda, qveyanas ganviTarebis perspeqtivas uspobs. gamodis, caTambjenebis epoqaSi unda vicxovroT mxolod erTsarTulian qveyanaSi, rac CvenTvis miuRebelia. amitom SevTanxmdeT – unda gaverTiandeT ganaxlebisTvis, romelic yvelafer cuds etyvis uars, magram gaiTvaliswinebs yvelafer kargs, TiToeul agurs qveynis SenebaSi, romelic SeiZleba Cveni moqalaqeebisTvis, momavlisTvis iyos saWiro~.
gaxarias mier partiis SeqmnasTan dakavSirebiT bevri kiTxva daugrovda sazogadoebas. gTavazobT intervius baTumis sakrebulos wevrTan dimitri WeiSvilTan, romelic gaerTianda partiaSi `saqarTvelosTvis~. batoni dimitri saubrobs imaze, rogor moxvda yofili premieris gundSi da ratom garicxes `qarTuli ocnebidan~, sadac is nino burjanaZis partiis datovebis Semdeg gadavida.
– batono dimitri, rogorc aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputati, fraqcia `qarTuli ocnebis~ Tavmjdomare giorgi manveliZe acxadebs, Sidapartiuli disciplinis darRvevis gamo, `qarTuli ocnebidan~ gagricxes. aseTi ra daarRvieT?
– daviwyoT iqidan, rom partiidan aravis gavuricxivar, Tavad wamovedi. socialur qselSi dadebuli Cemi postis Semdeg, ver ipoves sxva gamosavali da ganacxades, TiTqos gamricxes. mizezad, Sida destruqcia da partiuli disciplinis darRveva dasaxelda. albaT, qalaqSi mimdinare sxvadasxva mSeneblobasTan dakavSirebiT gaweul winaaRmdegobebs gulisxmobdnen.
– konkretulad romel mSeneblobebs ewinaaRmdegebodiT?
– magaliTad, `rivieras~ da `ambasadors~. Cemi bavSvobidan moyolebuli, yovelTvis viyavi bulvaris zRvispira zolis damcvelTa rigebSi. jer kidev 2009-10 wlebSi vewinaaRmdegebodi saakaSvilis xelisuflebis mier `meridianis~ mSeneblobas da a.S. Cemi es pozicia `qarTuli ocnebis~ rigebSi Sesvlas ar Seucvlia. mqonda, maqvs da yovelTvis meqneba sakuTari pozicia, romelic baTumelTa interesebs emTxveva da Cveni inteligenciis moTxovnebs srulad iziarebs. ratom miiCnies es partiuli disciplinis darRvevad da destruqciad, ar vici. SeiZleba avcdi garkveul xazs, magram arafers vnanob, radgan mivyvebodi Cemi qalaqis guliscemas da im kurss, romelic sWirdeboda baTums.
– ambobT, rom Tavad wamoxvediT partiidan. . .
– diax. es ase iyo, imis miuxedavad, rom batonma giorgim ganacxada, TiTqos ramdenime dRis win Tavad gamricxes. man es gancxadeba gaakeTa orSabaTs, maSin, rodesac jer kidev SabaTs, veswrebodi baTumSi Camosuli partiuli xelmZRvanelobis sxdomas, sadac verafriT movxvdebodi, partiis wevri rom ar vyofiliyavi. martivi logikaa da adasturebs, rom giorgi manveliZe tyuis!
– gamodis, ganawyenebuli gadadiT gaxarias partiaSi, manamde gqondaT masTan komunikacia da SeTanxmeba?
– mqonda garkveuli komunikacia, Tumca es ar aris mTavari. yvelam viciT, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ saqarTvelos mosaxleobam qveynis saTaveSi moiyvana, maSindeli gzavnilebis mixedviT: `samarTlianobis aRsadgenad~ da `xalxTan erTad saxalxo saqmis sakeTeblad~. partiaSi gamoikveTa orad ori lideri – biZina ivaniSvili da giorgi gaxaria, romlebmac sakuTari moRvaweobiT realuri Sedegi dades. `qarTuli ocneba~ acda im dapirebebs, rac hqonda.
– daakonkreteT, Tu SeiZleba?
– pirvelive dapireba ver Seasrula – samarTlianobis aRdgena. daiwyo yovlad gaumarTlebeli koabitaciis procesi da lamis Seerwya `nacionalur moZraobas~. amis bevri magaliTi gvaqvs, Tundac aWaraSi. Tanac, biZina ivaniSvili ganerida `qarTul ocnebas~ da mxolod amomrCevlis statusiT SeiZleba Camovide saqarTveloSio, ase gviTxra. giorgi gaxariac wavida da simarTle giTxraT, am partiam ara mxolod CemTvis, bevri misi mxardamWerisTvisac dakarga mimzidveloba da datvirTva.
swored amis gamo, am etapze uamravi mimdevari gamouCnda giorgi gaxarias. bevri mivida masTan, radgan met-naklebad im Rirebulebebis matarebeli aRmoCnda, risTvisac Tavis droze `ocnebaSi~ gaverTiandiT. imedi gvaqvs, aq mainc vnaxavT im samarTlianobas da wesrigs, rasac amden xans tyuilad velodiT mmarTveli gundisgan. aqedan gamomdinare, Tamamad SeiZleba iTqvas: Cven ar avcdiT partias, partia agvcda Cven!
– saqarTvelos Tavdacvis yofili ministri Tina xidaSeli Tvlis, rom gaxarias mosaxleobisadmi mimarTva, `sinamdvileSi, swored demokratiuli mmarTvelobis winaaRmdeg gabrZolebis ususuri mcdelobaa yofili, Tu suliT da guliT policielad darCenili kacisgan.~
– oriode dRis win iyo policiis dRe. vsargeblob SemTxveviT da Tqveni gazeTiT guliT mivulocav yvela policiels. cuds verafers vxedav am profesiaSi, radgan es xalxi 24 saaTis ganmavlobaSi, sakuTari sicocxlis fasad icavs wesrigs, samarTals. aqedan gamomdinare, fraza: `gaxaria mainc policielia~, sruliad ar maRizianebs. Tanac, kargad viciT, raoden maRalia batoni gaxarias reitingi da ar gvikvirs is usafuZvlo Tavdasxmebi, romelsac mis winaaRmdeg axorcieleben da momavalSic ar miakleben. kargad ician, rom gaxaria rigiTi konkurenti ki ara, maTTvis daumarcxebeli Zalaa momaval politikur brZolaSi.
– Tqveni saubridan Cans, rom nika melias daWera-ardaWeris sakiTxi gaxariasTvis mxolod postidan wasvlis sababi iyo da mas raRac momentSi gauCnda fundamenturi winaaRmdegoba `qarTul ocnebasTan~ da mis politikasTan.
– amaze jer ar gavakeTeb komentars, radgan win kidev bevri interviu gvelodeba. partia mxolod ramdenime dRea rac daarsda. gaxariam dawvrilebiT isaubra yrilobaze amis Sesaxeb, mediasTan gamarTul Sexvedrazec. cxadia, igi apirebs mravaljer Sexvdes rogorc Jurnalistebs, ise sazogadoebas da TavisTavad gascems pasuxs yvela kiTxvas.
– iyo varaudi, rom yofil premiers Tbilisis meric gahyveboda. . .
– vici kalaZis pozicia, romelic man aWaraSi vizitisas im sxdomaze gaaJRera, romelsac mec veswrebodi. misi TqmiT, rCeba `qarTuli ocnebis~ gundSi, arsad apirebs wasvlas da iaqtiurebs TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze. ase rom, Tbilisis meri ar datovebs mmarTvel gunds, es ukve calsaxaa.
– gaxarais postidan wasvlam Zalian didi dartyma miayena `qarTul ocnebas~. aqedan gamomdinare, rogor SeafasebdiT mis Sansebs TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebSi, romelic SesaZloa, riggareSe arCevnebis daniSvnis mizezi gaxdes?
– marTali xarT, gaxarias wasvlam uzarmazari dartyma miayena partias, radgan Tavad iyo lokomotivi bolo arCevnebze. kvlevebiT cnobilia misi individualuri reitingic. rac Seexeba im 43%-ian bariers, isedac viciT, rom aWaraSi didi gaWirvebiT moxerxda, maJoritarebs meore turSi rom mieRoT 43 %-ze meti maCvenebeli. aqve imasac gavixseneb, rom im periodSi `ocnebis~ yvelaze reitinguli ori figura iyo gundSi – batoni biZina da giorgi gaxaria. swored aqedan gamomdinare vTvli, rom mmarTvel gunds SeuZlia gamoemSvidobos mmarTvelobas, radgan Zalian gauWirdeba 34%-is miRebac ki.
– Tqven axseneT, `gaWirvebiT aiRes xmebi,~ ra igulisxmeT, gayalbeba iyo?
– ara, amas ver vityvi, radgan konkretuli mtkicebulebebi ar gamaCnia. Zalian kargad vici arCevnebis sistema da isic, rom biuletenebis nakleboba da disbalansi mxolod teqnikuri xarvezia da sulac ar amtkicebs gayalbebas, radgan yvela wina arCevnebSi igive xdeboda. me viyavi uSualod CarTuli saarCevno ubnebSi da dabejiTebiT vacxadeb, rom araferi gauyalbebiaT.
– gaxarias partiis dafinansebazec atyda aJiotaJi. zogi amtkicebs, rom biZina ivaniSvili dgas am speqtaklis ukan da amiT cdilobs `qarTuli ocneba~ ukve gadakeTebul variantSi daabrunos mmarTvelobaSi, zogic acxadebs, rom kezeraSvili aZlevs gaxarias Tanxebs. . .
– am saubrebiT da braldebebiT erTaderTi daskvnis gakeTeba SegviZlia: gaxarias axal politikur partias `saqarTvelosTvis~ aqvs maRali reitingi da am miTqma-moTqmiT cdiloben mis dakninebas, poziciebis Seryevas, rac SeuZlebelia, radgan baton giorgis aqvs Sors mimavali, qveynisTvis da sazogadoebisTvis sasikeTo miznebi. gaxaria arasodes yofila vinmes `proeqti~ da verc iqneba.
