,,პირველივე სხდომა ,,ოცნებამ” არია, ამაში დამეთანხმება ყველა ნეიტრალური პირი, ვინც იქ იყო და თვალნათლივ დაინახა, რაც მოხდა”
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aWaris umaRles sabWoSi opoziciis deputatebma saqmianobis dawyeba mas Semdeg gadawyvites, rac 30 maiss `nacionaluri moZraobis~ Tavmjdomare nika meliam ganacxada, rom boikotirebas wyveten da umaRles sakanonmdeblo organoSi Sedian. manve aRniSna, rom amis miuxedavad, xels ar aweren evropuli sabWos prezidentis mier inicirebul SeTanxmebas. rogorc mosalodneli iyo, aWaris umaRlesi sabWos pirvelive sxdomaze opoziciuri blokis da `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevrebi erTmaneTs sityvierad daupirispirdnen. iyo fizikuri dapirispirebis mcdelobac, romelic dacvis samsaxurma aRkveTa.
`qarTuli ocnebis~ umravlesobis deputatebma `nacionaluri moZraoba – gaerTianebuli opoziciis~ warmomadgenlebi daadanaSaules radikalizmsa da uprincipobaSi. Seaxsenes gancxadebebi, rom `komunistur parlamentSi~ ar Sevidodnen. Tavis mxriv, opozicioneri deputatebi `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevrebs mouwodebdnen, emsjelaT dRis wesrigiT gaTvaliswinebul erT-erT sakiTxze, kerZod, mimdinare wlis biujetis Sesrulebaze.
sakmaod daZabul viTarebas elian umaRlesi sabWos deputatebi samomavlodac. ras apireben `erTiani nacionaluri moZrobis~ wevrebi da rogor warmoudgeniaT msgavsi dapirispirebebis fonze sakanonmdeblo organoSi muSaoba, amaze da mimdinare movlenebze saubrobs `aWarasTan~ interviuSi fraqcia `erTiani nacionaluri moZrobis~ Tavmjdomaris moadgile giorgi kirTaZe.
– dasrulda sakanonmdeblo organoebis boikotirebis procesi da `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ Sevida parlamentsa da umaRles sabWoSi. ratom gadawyviteT am nabijis gadadgma?
– boikotirebis periodSi, 24-saaTian reJimSi, 4 Tve baTumis quCebSi videqiT, danarCen dros aqciebs vatarebdiT Tbilissa da sxva qalaqebSi. am xalxis protestma, saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobis wevrebma migviyvana im Sedegebamde, rac sajarod gacxadda, anu `qarTul ocnebas~ mouwia eRiarebina, rom qveyanaSi gvyavs politikuri patimrebi da xeli moawera am dokuments. ufro metic, evrokavSirma giraoc ki gadaixada cixidan nika melias gamosaxsnelad. aseve mouwiaT, maTive sityvebiT rom vTqvaT, yvelaze msxvili wiTeli xazis gadalaxva. arada, amtkicebdnen, arCevnebs legitimaciis problema ara aqvs da araviTari vadamdeli arCevnebi ar dainiSnebao. aqve SegaxsenebT, rom Cven TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze mogviwia referendumis Catareba, rac uSualod opoziciis gamarjvebad mimaCnia. yovelive amis Semdeg gadawyda, rom arsad davutovoT mmarTvel gunds komfortuli sivrce da SevideT parlamentsa da umRles sabWoSi.
– SexvediT, Tumca xeli ar moawereT Sarl miSelis dokuments. ra ar mogwonT am SeTanxmebaSi, ratom asaxelebT mizezad amnistiis kanonproeqts?
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ mier inicirebuli amnistiis kanonproeqti, romelic 2019 wlis 20-21 ivnisis saprotesto aqciebis Semdeg aRZruli saqmeebiT gansazRvrul danaSaulTa amnistias exeba da unda Seexos yvelas, vinc amnistiaze uars ar acxadebs, ar asaxavs Cvens survils. gasagebia, rom kanonproeqti evropuli sabWos prezidentis Sarl miSelis mier inicirebuli da `qarTuli ocnebis~ da opoziciuri saparlamento partiebis umravlesobis mier aprilSi xelmowerili SeTanxmebis nawilia, magram dameTanxmeT, amnistia ar unda Seexos im adamianebs, visac namdvilad aqvs Cadenili danaSauli. vgulisxmob mako gomuris tragedias, romelmac rezinis tyviiT Tvali dakarga. es unda SerCes moZalades? Tanac, nika meliasTvis wayenebuli braldeba TiTidan gamowovili iyo. aqedan gamomdinare migvaCnia, rom mas sruliadac ar sWirdeboda es amnistia. amitom mako gomurze Tavdamsxmelis da nika melias erT sibtyeze dayeneba ar migvaCnia marTebulad. ratom unda movaweroT xeli am dokuments da ratom gamovuSvaT cixidan moZalade, romelsac aranairi gamarTleba ar moeZebneba?
– Tuki dokuments xels ar awerT, ormxrivi SeTanxmebis gareSe mas Zala xom daekargeba, aqedan gamomdinare, 43%-iani barieric aRar imoqmedebs.
– ara, es ase ar aris. dokumentis sxva punqtebs xeli movawereT, ase rom, mxolod amnistiis kanonproeqtia Sesacvleli da dasaxvewi. 43%-ian bariers didi datvirTva aqvs, Tanac vemzadebiT referendumisTvis, romelSic aucileblad gaimarjvebs qarTveli xalxi da damarcxdeba biZina ivaniSvili.
– `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ Tavmjdomare nika meliam saparlamento tribunidan ganacxada, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ damarcxeba `nacionaluri moZraobis~ viwropartiul interess scdeba da erovnuli amocanaa. ra mizniT da ramdenad SeZlebT opoziciis isev gaerTianebas?
– darwmunebuli varT, opozicia uaxloes momavalSi gamonaxavs saerTo miznis garSemo gaerTianebis unars `qarTuli ocnebis~ reJimis winaaRmdeg. Cveni ZiriTadi mizani koaliciur mmarTvelobaSi mosvlaa. gvjera, opozicia sazogadoebasTan erTad, am miznis miRwevas SeZlebs.
– batono giorgi, umaRlesi sabWos pirveli erToblivi sxdoma rogor Catarda?
– Zalian mZimed, albaT, naxeT kadrebi. aqve minda aRvniSno, rom sxdoma 9 saaTi gagrZelda, aqedan, sami saaTis ganmavlobaSi, aWaris finansTa da ekonomikis ministrs rTul kiTxvebs vusvamdiT biujetidan moparuli Tanxebis Sesaxeb. rodesac `qarTulma ocnebam~ pasuxi ver gagvca, wamovida im provokaciaze, romelic yvelam naxeT.
– provokacia maTgan wamovida?
– diax, isini iZulebulni gaxdnen, amiT gadaefaraT braldebebi. bolomde moTminebiT vusmendiT maT Seuracxmyofel gamosvlebs, magram Semdeg Cven ar mogvces saubris saSualeba… samwuxaroa, rac moxda, rbilad rom vTqvaT, sasiamovno ambavi ar iyo. kidev erTxel vimeoreb, yvelaferi iqidan daiwyo, rom naTlad mivuTiTebdiT biujetSi sad hqondaT fuli moparuli, razec pasuxi verc erTma ver gagvca da kidev Cven gamovediT dadanaSaulebuli. televiziiTac gavrcelda kadrebi, sadac daviT gabaiZe mouwodebs `qarTul ocnebas~, raRac kiTxvebi Tqvenc dasviTo… yvelaferi es adasturebs, rom sworad moviqeciT sakanonmdeblo organoebSi rom SevediT da mmarTvel gunds komfortuli sivrce arsad davutoveT.
– rogor fiqrobT, am Sejaxebis Semdeg sxdomebze konfrontacia ufro gaRrmavdeba?
– Cveni iq Sesvlis mizania, `qarTul ocnebas~ ar mivceT qveyanaSi ufro metis gafuWebis saSualeba. aqedan gamomdinare, mudmivad vapirebT vamxiloT yvela danaSaulSi konstruqciuli qmedebebiT. pirvelive sxdoma Cven ar agvirevia, `ocnebam~ aria, amaSi dameTanxmeba yvela neitraluri piri, vinc iq iyo da TvalnaTliv dainaxa, rac moxda.
– rogorc Cans, TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebisTvis ukve emzadebiT…
– diax da referendumisTvisac. iseT masStabur arCevnebs CavatarebT, rom `qarTul ocnebas~ aranair Sanss ar davutovebT.
– ras fiqrobT gaxarias politikur gaerTianebaze, xom ar geSiniaT, rom xmebs wagarTmevT?
– gaxariasi aravis eSinia. mas maSin ar vuwevdiT angariSs, premieri rom iyo, axla ki kargad vxedavT, ra TamaSsac TamaSobs. swored amas vambobdiT, rom calke partiad wamovidoda da ususurad qceuli `qarTuli ocnebis~ Svelas garedan Seecdeboda.
– Tqven mas `qarTuli ocnebis~ satelitad moixseniebT, xolo `ocneba~ – saakaSvilis momxred. . .
– daviwyeb biZina ivaniSvilis politikuri gancxadebebiT. ambobda, amieridan mxolod turistad Camoval saqarTveloSio da rogorc xedavT, ukve akeTebs xmamaRal gancxadebebs. jer is vTqvaT, axal premierad irakli RaribaSvili vin dagviniSna, marTla gjeraT, rom vinme sxvam? aseve, biZinam CamoaSora gaxaria xelisuflebas, isargebla misi popularobiT da gauSva satelitad. Zalian kargad ician, rom Tavad veRar miiReben xmebs da axla gaxarias partiaze imuSaveben.
– Tuki asea, ratom uwodes moRalate?
– mxolod da mxolod imitom, rom xalxma marTla daijeros misi opozicioneroba. biZinac igive mizniT gamoiyvanes avanscenaze, mowinaaRmdegeebi rom daerwmunebina, TiTqos gaxaria maTTan ar aris. es yvelaferi TeTri ZafiT nakers ufro hgavs, vidre politikur svlas. calsaxaa – gaxaria ivaniSvilis maSveli rgolia, romelsac maSin gamoiyenebs, yvela kars rom CavurazavT. mas hgonia, yofili premieri Zalian myarad Semoiyvana opoziciur flangze, miaCnia, rom `ocnebaze~ gabrazebuli amomrCevlis xmebs waiRebs, magram is aviwydeba, rom qarTveli xalxi brZenia da karga xania mixvda, raSia saqme. amaSi Tavad davrwmundebiT, Semodgomaze Catarebuli arCevnebis Sedegebs rom gadavxedavT.
– ras fiqrobT `namaxvanhesTan~ dakavSirebul protestze, romelsac `nacionalebs~ gikavSireben?
– vfiqrob, Zalian gulwrfeli protestia, `nacionalur moZraobasTan~ aranairi kavSiri ar gaaCnia. me mxars vuWer am adamianebs. Tundac aq, Zalian kargad Cans xelisuflebis damokidebuleba mosaxleobis mimarT, rodesac yurs ar ugdebs arc kabalur xelSekrulebaze gancxadebebs da arc im riskebs, rac SesaZloa mohyves hesis aSenebas.
– ninowmindis pansionTan dakavSirebiTac didi aJiotaJia. . .
– am pansionTan mimarTebaSi ganxorcielebuli qmedebiT Tu umoqmedobiTac kargad Cans, ra dReSia saxelmwifo. yvela institucia aris CamoSlili. mTavroba ver bedavs iqac ki, sadac danaSaulia Cadenili, elaparakos da amxilos damnaSaveebi. saxalxo damcvelic ar SeuSves pansionSi. rodesac saqme bavSvebs exeba, es saqcieli yovelgvar zRvars scdeba. ra konfesiisac ar unda iyos adamiani, Tuki mozardebTan aSavebs, mis mimarT saxelmwifo unda iyos Zalian mkacri. Tavadac ar malaven, rom imitom ver mimarTaven realur qmedebebs, sapatriarqos rom ar daupirispirdnen.
– adre ambobdiT, rom `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ procesebis marTvas apirebs rogorc parlamentidan, ise quCidan. axla rogor dgas sakiTxi, gaagrZelebT quCis aqciebs?
– aucileblad gavagrZelebT. protesti ufro ukeT aRiqmeba quCidan. sakanonmdeblo organoebSi imitom SevediT, rom komfortuli sivrce davuxuroT `ocnebas~ yvelgan. xalxi namdvilad wamogvyveba, radgan icis, rom biZinas mxolod Cven Tu gavuSvebT saxlSi. amitom aravin apirebs kabinetebSi jdomas, brZola iqneba yvelgan, saxlSic da karSic.
