ბექა დიასამიძე: ჩემთვის უპირველესი მაინც შარლ მიშელის დოკუმენტზე ხელის მოწერა და საპარლამენტო საქმიანობის გამოცოცხლებაა
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Cvens qveyanaSi bolo dros ganviTarebuli politikuri movlenebi gulgrils aravis tovebs. mravalmxriv saintereso viTareba Seiqmna: parlamenti gamococxlda, `nacmoZraobam~ boikotis reJimi daasrula, yofilma premierma axali partia Camoayaliba, ar wydeba partiebis urTierTkritika, qarTuli politikisTvis xom damaxasiaTebelia urTierTdapirispireba da urTierTbraldebebi, rac metwilad, saarCevnod vlindeba.
ra xdeba Cvens realobaSi, ra problemebia, rogoria maTi gadaWris gzebi, ra xdeba opoziciur flangze? amis Taobaze amjerad `strategia aRmaSeneblis~ aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvanel beqa diasamiZes vesaubreT.
– qveyanaSi saintereso procesebi viTardeba. Tqven ra aspeqtebs gamohyofdiT?
– diax, namdvilad saintereso procesebis momswreni varT da rTulia calsaxad romelime movlenis gamoyofa, magram Sevecdebi ramdenime aqtualur sakiTxs Sevexo. CemTvis upirvelesi mainc Sarl miSelis dokumentze xelis mowera da saparlamento saqmianobis gamococxlebaa. boikotis procesma Tavisi Sedegi gamoiRo da xelisufleba daTmobebze wamovida, aiRo konkretuli valdebulebebi saarCevno da sasamarTlo sistemebis reformirebisa da sxva mimarTulebebiT. parlamentis saqmianobaSi opoziciis aqtiurma CarTulobam plenaruli sxdomebi Seudareblad ufro aqtiuri da saqmiani gaxada. opoziciam moamzada da waradgina araerTi kanonproeqti. Aaseve, mniSvnelovania is debatebi, romlebic parlamentSi imarTeba da mZafrdeba aqcenti qveyanaSi arsebul mZime socialur-ekonomikur sakiTxebze, xalxis yoveldRiur problemebze. aseve, sayuradReboa is saprotesto moZraobebi, romlebic mimdinareobda namoxvansa Tu WiaTuraSi. unda aRiniSnos, rom Tveebis ganmavlobaSi pasuxgaucemeli iyo aqtivistebisa da protestis monawileebis legitimuri SekiTxvebi, xelisuflebam faqtobrivad zurgi aqcia maT. am mxriv sazogadoebisa da opoziciuri partiebis gaaqtiurebam xelisufleba dialogis reJimze gadaiyvana da aqtiurad daiwyo arsebul problemebze muSaoba.
– gverds ver avuvliT yofil premier gaxarias mier partiis dafuZnebas. ra gzavnilebi ikiTxeboda am partiis (`saqarTvelosTvis~) prezentaciidan da, amavdroulad, ivaniSvilis mier gaxariasadmi wayenebul braldebSi (moRalate, da a. S.). . .
– piriqiT, vfiqrob, es is sakiTxia, romelsac namdvilad, gverdi unda avuaroT. msgavsi sakiTxebis ganxilva ar aris raimes momtani. swored es aris biZina ivaniSvilis TamaSi, rac SeiZleba meti sanaxaobis dadgma, raTa aRar vilaparakoT realur problemebze. xalxs ar ainteresebs, vin visze ra Tqva, maT ainteresebT samuSao adgilebi, arsebuli problemebis gamosworeba!
– da mainc – opoziciam da aseve mmarTvelma partiam ironiulad Seafases gaxarias partiis Seqmna, Tqveni azriT, es partia gaxdeba realuri opozicia Tu `ocneba ori~ iqneba?
– aqac ganvmeordebi. gaxaria ar aris am qveyanaSi is problema, romelsac unda davuTmoT dro, sxva rigi mniSvnelovani sakiTxebia gadasawyveti. minda aRvniSno, rom gansakuTrebiT pandemiis periodSi araerTxel SesTavazes mniSvnelovani iniciativebi Tu proeqtebi gaxarias mTavrobas qveyanaSi arsebul problemebze msjelobisTvis, debatebSic unda damjdariyo yofili premieri `strategia aRmaSeneblis~ TavmjdomaresTan, rasac gaeqca. Sesabamisad, Znelia gaxariasTan mimarTebaSi raime pozitiur molodinebze saubari.
– opozicia erTi Tvea, rac parlamentSia, `nacmoZraobamac~ Sewyvita boikoti, am mxriv ramdenad Tanmimdevruli iyo opociuri speqtri?
– unda aRiniSnos, rom gayalbebuli arCevnebis gasaprotesteblad gamocxadebuli boikoti gaxda imis safuZveli, rom procesSi Cveni strategiuli partniorebi CaerTnen da maTi mediaciiT momzadda Sarl miSelis dokumenti, romelmac qveyanaSi arsebuli problemebis gamosworebas unda Seuwyos xeli. dokuments gansakuTrebuli mniSvneloba mianiWes mediatorebma, evrokavSirisa da aSS-is saelCoebma, aSS-is saxelmwifo departamentma da masze xelis mowerisken mouwodes molaparakebebSi CarTul mxareebs. konkretulma politikurma partiebma gaiTvaliswines partniorebis, mediatorebis SemoTavazebebi, xeli moaweres dokuments da Sevidnen parlamentSi. Sarl miSelis dokumentze xelis moweris gareSe Sevida parlamentSi `nacionaluri moZraoba~. miuxedavad am gansxvavebuli damokidebulebisa, imedi maqvs, opozicia erTiani iqneba im miznis misaRwevad, rac qveyanaSi 2022 wlisTvis vadamdeli arCevnebis daniSvna da xelisuflebis damarcxebaa mSvidobianad, arCevnebis gziT.
– opozicineri kaxa kukava acxadebs, rom jerjerobiT politikur sarbielze sasworis pina xelisuflebiskenaa gadaweuli, radgan opozicia araTanmimdevrulia Tavis qmedebebSi. . .
– dRes qveyanaSi gacilebiT rTuli situaciaa rogorc politikuri, aseve ekonomikuri kuTxiT. Cveni poziciaa TanamSromloba yvela konstruqciul prodasavlur ZalasTan, romelsac qveyana adardebs, Sarl miSelis dokumentze xelmomweri opozicioneri kolegebi unda moqmedebdnen Tanmimdevrulad.
– Tqvens partias (`strategia aRmaSenebeli~) araerTi proeqti da gegma aqvs qveynis ganviTarebasTan dakavSirebiT, ras apirebT imisTvis, rom xelisufleba am proeqtebiT dainteresdes?
– diax, Cvens partias araerTi mniSvnelovani iniciativa da proeqti aqvs momzadebuli. TiToeuli es proeqti da gegma aris gamosavali am gaWirvebidan, xolo gaWirvebidan gamosavali aris xalxis, Cveni moqalaqeebis dakveTa. parlamentSi ukve inicirebulia saxelmwifo pensiis Sesaxeb kanonSi cvlileba. procesSi aqtiurad iqneba CarTuli mosaxleobac da yvela Cveni winasaarCevno dapirebis SesrulebisaTvis partia Tavdauzogavad imuSavebs rogorc parlamentSi, aseve sxvadasxva aqtivobiT. vfiqrob, SeafasebdiT partiis wevrebis aqtivobebs parlamentSi, Tu ramdenad principulebi varT mosaxleobis problemebisadmi xelisuflebis yuradRebis misapyrobad.
– SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac Cans, rom araoficialurad mimdinareobs saarCevno maraToni, civiluri Tu daZabuli politikuri Semodgoma gvelis?
– Sarl miSelis dokumentis Sesabamisad, aqtiurad mimdinareobs muSaoba saarCevno sistemis reformirebisTvis. opozicia erTiani unda viyoT im principis garSemo, rom xelisuflebis mxridan arCevnebis gayalbebis mcdeloba minimumamde daviyvanoT. am mxriv marTlac Zalian bevria gasakeTebeli da es iqneba opoziciis erT-erTi mTavari gamowveva.
– SeZlebs opozicia, jamSi, 58 procentis aRebas da amiT riggareSe arCevnebis daniSvnas?
– mniSvnelovania imis gaTvaliswineba, rom opoziciis saerTo koordinaciis gareSe SeuZlebelia am arCevnebSi xelisuflebis damarcxeba, Sesabamisad, aucilebelia bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi Catarebuli arCevnebis gaanalizeba da SeTanxmeba `gamarjvebis strategiaze~, radgan or Zalas Soris dapirispirebisas `qarTuli ocneba~ imarjvebs.
– eqspertTa nawili miiCnevs, rom Tu opozicia saarCevnod zepartiul bloks ar Seqmnis, arCevnebSi fiaskos elodeba, ras fiqrobT?
– zepartiuli blokebi da koaliciebis gaerTianeba SesaZlebelia mxolod msgavsi Rirebulebebis mqone partiebis SemTxvevaSi. sxvagvarad, ver vityvi, rom momgebiania.
– eqspertTa nawili imasac ambobs, rom opozicia, ZiriTadad, mTavari opoziciuri partiis statusis mopovebisTvis iRvwis, vidre gamarjvebisTvis. . .
– araswori Sefaseba mgonia. opozicia ibrZvis gamarjvebisTvis. CvenTvis gamarjveba aris qveyanaSi mozRvavebuli problemebis mogvareba da siamovnebiT viTanamSromlebT am paTosis mqone prodasavlur opozicioner kolegebTan, qveyana droulad rom gamovides Cixidan.
– Tqveni partiis liderma giorgi vaSaZem ganacxada, rom unda Seiqmnas mesame – alternatiuli Zala, raTa dasruldes orpolusianoba qveyanaSi. am mxriv ras moimoqmedebs Tqveni partia da Tu gamoikveTa konturebi?
– vfiqrob, mesame Zala aucilebelia, raTa erTxel da samudamod gamovideT am `mojadoebuli wridan~, polarizebuli garemodan. oqtomberSi daniSnuli adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi, Sarl miSelis dokumentis Sesabamisad, erTgvari referendumia da opoziciisTvis mniSvnelovania, moxdes im eleqtoratis xmebis mobilizeba, romlebic arc `nacionalebs~ uWeren mxars da arc mmarTvel partias. aseTi eleqtorati ramdenime aseuli aTasia da zustad es gansazRvravs mesame Zalis formirebis saWiroebas.
– rogorc cnobilia, adgilobrivi arCevnebi mosaxleobis aqtiurobiT ar gamoirCeva, ras akeTebs opozicia mosaxleobis arCevnebze mosayvanad?
– qveyanaSi arsebuli mZime ekonomikuri mdgomareoba safuZvelia imisa, rom xelisufleba rac SeiZleba male Seicvalos. amisTvis aucilebelia adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebSi opoziciam, jamurad, 57%-ze meti xma miiRos. zustad amis axsnaa saWiro mosaxleobisTvis, romelic dRes ukiduresad gaWirvebul mdgomareobaSia da maTi xma gadamwyveti unda iyos arCevnebze.
– amas winaT `lelos~ liderma mamuka xazaraZem ganacxada, rom opozicia ramdenime qalaqSi mainc unda Sejerdes merobis saerTo, arapartiul kandidatebze, SeZlebs opozicia SeTanxmebis miRwevas?
– vfiqrob, opozicia yvelafers SeZlebs, maT Soris `qarTuli ocnebis~ opoziciaSi gadmoyvanasac.
– dabolos, 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebs dasavleTSi garkveulwilad, negatiuri Sefasebebi mohyva. moaxloebuli adgilobrivi arCevnebi ramdenad mniSvnelovani iqneba dasavleTTan dasaaxloeblad an dasaSoreblad?
– yvelaferi `qarTul ocnebazea~ damokidebulia, rogor Seasrulebs nakisr valdebulebebs. Sarl miSelis dokumentis Sesruleba iqneba evrokavSirTan daaxloebis kidev erTi didi win gadadgmuli nabiji. saarCevno garemo, romelic gansxvavebuli wesiT Catardeba, Tavisi gamWvirvalobiT naTels mohfens yvelafers. winaswar raimes Tqma rTulia, roca xelisuflebaSi `qarTuli ocnebaa~.
