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daiwyo winasaarCevno kampaniisTvis mzadeba da isev airia saqarTvelos politikuri speqtri. mas Semdeg, rac opoziciis darCenilma nawilma daikava kuTvnili adgilebi sakanonmdeblo organoebSi, mmarTveli gundi gadaerTo axlad movlenili politikuri Zalis `saqarTvelosTvis~ damaarseblis kritikaze. aqamde saukeTeso krizismenejerad Seracxuli yofili premieris misamarTiT zedized keTdeba xelmZRvanel pirTa gancxadebebi. politikidan wasuli biZina ivaniSvilic ki CaerTo am procesSi da erT dros mis mier xeldasmul qveynis pirvel pirs moRalate uwoda.
giorgi gaxarias saqmianoba Seafasa `qarTuli ocnebis~ Tavmjdomare irakli kobaxiZem boikotis Sewyvetis Semdeg `mTavari arxisTvis~ micemul interviuSi. parlamentis yofili Tavmjdomare mestiis, `basianisa~ da pankisis specoperaciebze pasuxismgeblobas giorgi gaxarias akisrebs: `rac ki problemebi daugrovda `qarTul ocnebas~ mcire monakveTSi, es iyo daaxloebiT erTwliani periodi, yvelaferi ukavSirdeboda gaxarias mier organizebul specoperaciebs. pirveli iyo mestiaSi, tyis Wris gamo. Semdeg – `basiani~ da iqac absoluturad arasworad dagegmili specoperacia. aseve unda gavixsenoT, rom bodiSic ki moixada. Semdeg pankisi – mZimed dagegmili specoperacia da saSineli suraTi. yvelas kargad axsovs, rom faqtobrivad, Seuracxyofa miayenebina TanamSromlebze, gmir policielebze, es iyo Zalian mZime~.
2019 wlis 19-20 ivniss antisaokupacio demonstraciis daSlis operacias `qarTuli ocnebis~ Tavmjdomare irakli kobaxiZe imdroindeli Sinagan saqmeTa ministris giorgi gaxarias mxridan `gaugebrad dagegmils~ uwodebs. kobaxiZes miaCnia, rom aqciis monawileebis winaaRmdeg SeiZleboda rbili saSualebebis gamoyeneba. rogorc kobaxiZe ambobs, ra Tqma unda, 20 ivniss gaxaria iRebda gadawyvetilebebs da Tavad aris pasuxismgebeli operaciis dagegmvaze. deputati gaxarias misamarTiT konkretul SekiTxvebs svams: `TviTon akeTebda amas erT-erT moadgilesTan (kaxa sabanaZesTan) erTad. ratom idga e.w. specrazmi gareT? meore, ratom ar gamoiyenes wylis Wavli da sxva rbili saSualebebi? saboloo jamSi ukve iZuleba iyo tyviebis gamoyeneba, rom mogeriebuliyo Sturmi parlamentze. . . WiSkris dacva iyo martivi, gamomdinare iqidan, rom adamianTa raodenoba ar iyo imdeni, romelic iZleoda meti safrTxis saSiSroebis safuZvels~.
am braldebebze gaxariam mokled upasuxa baTumSi Jurnalistebs: `vinmes Tu hgonia, imis wamoZaxebiT, maSin ratom ver gaakeTe, me raime kompleqss gamiCenen, ver gamiCenen. Cems dros bevri ram gakeTda, magaliTad, `ocnebis qalaqi~, romelic mTlianad gundis mxardaWeriT moewyo sakmaod efeqturad da swrafad. darwmunebuli var, male dasruldeba. bevri ram gakeTda da me amaSi monawileoba miRebuli maqvs. bevri ram ver gakeTda, es aris is pasuxismgebloba, ris gamoc Cven vambobT, rom es unda gavakeToT ufro swrafad, ufro efeqturad da keTilsindisierad. es aris is, ratomac Cven aq vdgavarT. es aris is pasuxismgebloba, romelic Cveni moqalaqeebis winaSe gvaqvs.~
baTumSi yofili premieris partiis prezentacias uamravi adamiani daeswro imis miuxedavad, rom specialurad aravin miuwveviaT.
Tu raze iyo msjeloba Sexvedrisas da ratom daudgnen moqalaqeebi mxarSi mmarTveli gundisgan moRalated Seracxul giorgi gaxarias, am sakiTxze interviu vTxoveT aWaris umaRlesi sabWos yofil deputats, politikos merab bladaZes, romelic am partiis erT-erT damfuZneblad mogvevlina.
– batono merab, Zalian moulodneli iyo Tqveni xilva giorgi gaxarias gundSi. ra statusi gaqvT axal politikur platformaze?
– am etapze var partia `saqarTvelosTvis~ erT-erTi damfuZnebeli.
– erT-erT interviuSi ganacxadeT, rom ar apirebT TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebSi monawileobas, radgan ver SearCieT saTanado politikuri Zala. ra Seicvala?
– baton giorgis, romelsac Zalian kargad vicnob da vendobi, ukve hyavs sakuTari gundi, gaemijna `qarTul ocnebas~ da wamovida korumpirebuli mTavrobisgan. es swored is adamiania, romelic dRes sWirdeba saqarTvelos, is, vinc SesZlebs qveynis gadarCenas da fexze dayenebas. aqedan gamomdinare, rogorc ki dadga am partiis Camoyalibebis idea, maSinve CaverTe procesSi.
– pozicia-opoziciam didi braldebebi wauyena gaxarias. orive mxare miiCnevs mas sworxazovan policielad da acxadeben, rom misi politikaSi mosvliT safrTxe eqmneba qarTul demokratias.
– axla sargebloben viTarebiT da radgan Zalian kargad ician misi potenciali da avtoriteti, cdiloben imiji Seulaxon. amiT TiTqos sakuTar Tavsac aTavisufleben pasuxismgeblobisgan da axalmovlenil ZiriTad metoqesac. Cveni regionaluri partiis Tavmjdomares irakli miqelaZes, upatiosnes, uniWieres axalgazrda kacs samarcxvino braldeba wauyenes, TiTqos biujetis fuli SeWama da sazRvargareT gaiqca. arada, Svili waiyvana germaniaSi samkurnalod. aseT adamianebTan gvaqvs saqme, aseT sibinZures abraleben kolegebsac ki.
– bolos da bolos, visi satelitia gaxarias partia, `qarTuli ocnebis~ Tu `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~, visTvis ibrZvis?
– gaxariac da Cvenc, vinc mis gverdiT varT, vibrZviT saqarTvelosTvis. zRaparia, TiTqos gaxaria aris `qarTuli ocneba – 2~ an saakaSvilis mstovari. es erTaderTia, romelic iyo qarTul xelisuflebaSi, yvelas daanaxa rac SeeZlo, maqsimalurad daixarja Tavisi erisTvis da rodesac mixvda, rom marto verafers SeZlebda, gadawyvita wamosvla, raTa axali ZalebiT kvlav dabrundes mTavrobaSi, axali sicocxle aCuqos qveyanas. gaxaria fiqrobs da zrunavs adamianebze, icis, rom arsebul viTrebaSi ver gadarCeba Cveni eris TviTmyofadoba.
– amas yvela politikosi acxadebs da qveynis gadamrCenis statuss irgebs. . .
– yvela sxva politikosi erTmaneTis lanZRva-ginebiTaa dakavebuli da meti araferi ainteresebs. igoneben nair-nair brladebebs erTmaneTze da yvelaze warmatebulis CaZirviT arian dakavebulni. samwuxarod, qarTveli politikosebi mxolod amiT gamoirCevian sxvebisgan, amaSi arian gawafulebi. davdeqi gaxariasTan, radgan virwmune, rom gamoCnda Zala, romelic izrunebs xelisuflebaSi mosvlisTvis, raTa qarTvelma xalxma amoisunTqos, eRirsos adamianur cxovrebas, mosaxleobis aq darCenilma nawilmac ar ifiqros ucxoeTSi gaqcevaze. kargad iciT, aRar vapirebdi politikaSi dabrunebas, magram imdenad gafuWda da airia viTareba, mimaCnia, valdebuli var sakuTari Svilis, SviliSvilis, maTi megobrebis, saqarTvelos winaSe, rom erTxel da samudamod davamkvidroT wesrigi, demokratia da samarTali korufciis Waobad qceul qveyanaSi.
– Tqven sakmaod pesimisturad xarT ganwyobili arsebuli xelisuflebis pirobebSi. nuTu ase cudadaa saqme?
– davaneboT Tavi cifrebs da eqspertebis daskvnebs, miixed-moixedeT, ramdeni lamazi qali dadis, yvelas naRveli aqvs mzeraSi, imitom, rom ar ician, ra aWamon Svilebs, rogor amyofinon xelfasi sabanko procentebsac da ojaxsac. martivad getyviT. Tu daakvirdiT, gaxSirda mowodebebi, ar waisvaT rujisTvis leRvis foTlebis naxarSi, daiwvebiTo. ra cifrebs aqveynebs damwvrobis centri, naxeT? ra dReSia mosaxleoba, ver xedavT? axalgazrdebs rujisTvis sacxis sayideli fuli ar aqvT. umuSevrebs ki ara, vinc muSaobs, imas ar hyofnis fuli sakvebisTvis, araTu wamlebisa da kosmetikisTvis.
– aseTi viTareba gaxarias premierobis drosac xom iyo?
– imitom datova Tanamdeboba da partia, rom veRar aitana is, rac mis irgvliv xdeboda. Cinovnikebi imdenad korumpirebulebi arian, rom verc ki warmoidgenT. mTel saqarTveloSi Catarda miwis reforma, aWaris garda. aq gadaixdi fuls – gadagiformeben miwas, ar gadaixdi – ara. ase martivad aqvT yvelaferi awyobili. patronic ar gvyavs aravin, momkiTxavic. makontrolebeli organoebic ufunqcioda arian darCenili. brZaneba aqvT zemodan – araferi gaakeToTo. akeTeben fuls. mSvenivrad aqvT awyobili saqme, iSeneben binebs, saxlebs, agarakebs, yiduloben ZviradRirebul avtomobilebs. sxva ra giTxraT? es yvelam icis, magram aravin aprotestebs. Tumca ase didxans ar gagrZeldeba, xalxi aRdgeba da gascems yvelas sakadris pasuxs. molpa `qarTuli ocneba~, gaicviTa, gadaiqca `kantorad~. aRar gaaCnia sakadro resursebi, misma damfuZnebelmac ki miatova da xeli daibana, radgan kargad mixvda, rom veRar gamoasworebda verafers da ar moindoma maTi oficialuri lideroba.
gadaxedeT, ra xdeba adamianis uflebebis dacvis kuTxiT, ginda Tavi CamoixrCve da ginda benzini gadaisxi, aravinaa momkiTxavi. cdiloben, rac SeiZleba meti qoneba moixveWon, am sawyal xalxs ki Zlivs gaaqvs Tavi.
– ra daasaxela gaxariam prioritetad?
– jer vnaxoT sxva partiebis prioritetebi – evrointegracia, bazrebis gaxsna, ekonomikis amoqaCva da a.S. bodialoben raRacas. evropisken yvela miiltvis, prorusuli partiebi Zalian cotaRa SemorCa, 21-e saukuneSi putinis ruseTs mxars rom dauWer, seriozulad aravin aRgiqvams. gaxarias ki uweria programaSi, rom prioritetad miaCnia qarTuli produqciis da misi gasaRebis bazrebis Seqmna. amiT glexs gauCndeba samuSao da Semosavali. importma daaxrCo qarTuli biznesi.
– aseTi prioritetebi Tu hqonda, ratom datova qveynis premieris posti, nuTu melias daWera-ardaWeris gamo?
– ra Tqma unda, melias ambavi mxolod sababi iyo, wveTi, romelmac fiala gadaavso. gaxaria mixvda, rom verafers gaakeTebda arsebul situaciaSi. Tavad Zalian kargad axsna wamosvlis mizezi, gundi ar hyavda, mixvdiT? Sss, ekonomikis ministrebi Tu partiis Tavmjdomare – ivaniSvilis moyvanilia. yvela mas emorCileba da mxolod misi sityviT akeTeben saqmes. rodesac premieri xar da xel-fexi Sekruli gaqvs gadawyvetilebebis miRebis Tu reformebis gatarebis kuTxiT, ras moaxerxeb? daiRala gaxaria da datova posti, Camoayaliba partia da xelisuflebaSi damoukideblad mosvlis pretenzia aqvs.
– kidev ra ar mogwonT xelisuflebis?
– me ar gadagRliT rTuli ambebiT, Cvens yoveldRiurobas Sevexebi. ori milioni daixarja Cems sofelSi wylis Semoyvanaze, magram axla Wiebi mohyveba am wyals. filtrebic ar dauyenebiaT. esaa saqme? igive viTarebaa sxvaganac. amdeni milioni daixarja da zogan saerTod ar modis wyali an rac modis, isic uvargisi. iciT, ratom xdeba es? im milionebidan mciredi daxarjes saqmisTvis, danarCeni gainawiles da jibeSi Caides. baTumis wylis sistemebi ver moawesriges, rac aq fulia Cayrili, yvelam viciT. SexedeT ra dReSia qalaqi, rogor Sendeba. korpusebi isea erTmaneTze miwyobili, mzis sxivebi ver aRwevs binebSi.
Cems sofelSi 20-30 biWia, coli ver mohyavT, TurqeTSi gadadian, monebiviT muSaoben, raTa ojaxSi sakvebi miitanon. mere imas iZaxian, qarTveli glexi zarmacia da amitomaa Cveni soflis meurneoba am dReSio. Sesawamli preparatebic ki uxarisxoa, sxva ra vTqva?
– imedi gaqvT, gaxaria rom mova, yvelaferi xarisxiani gveqneba da fermerebic gabejiTdebian?
– ki, yvelaferi xarisxiani iqneba da glexic gaixarebs. ase rom, darwmunebuli var, bevri dagviWers mxars da saqarTvelosTvis erTad viSromebT.