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umaRlesi sabWos mier sakanonmdeblo iniciativis wesiT parlamentSi warsadgeni `maWaxlis daculi landSaftis Seqmnisa da marTvis Sesaxeb~ saqarTvelos kanonsa da `saqarTvelos administraciul samarTaldarRvevaTa kodeqsSi~ Sesatani cvlilebebi regionisTvis erT-erTi umniSvnelovanesi proeqtis inicirebas gulisxmobs. am kanonis damtkicebis SemTxvevaSi, saqarTvelos axal erovnul parks Seemateba eTnosoflebi, rac gansakuTrebul datvirTvas miscems am kuTxes turizmis ganviTarebis mxriv.
rodis moxdeba am kanonis inicireba parlamentSi, ras aZlevs xelvaCauris municipalitets xeobis axali statusi da saerTod, ra sakiTxebi ganixileba amJamad aWaris umaRles sabWoSi, amaze saubrobs CvenTan interviuSi umaRlesi sabWos deputati lado mgalobliSvili
– batono lado, saubari daviwyoT maWaxelas erovnuli parkiT, romlis statusi ukve damtkicebulia. axla ris inicirebas apirebT parlamentSi?
– parki daarsda 2012 wels, unikaluri biologiuri da landSafturi biomravalferovnebis SenarCunebis, kolxuri tyeebis ekosistemis grZelvadiani dacvis, ekologiuri usafrTxoebisa da bunebriv garemoSi turistuli da rekreaciuli saqmianobis ganviTarebis uzrunvelyofis mizniT. axal kanonproeqtze muSaoba ki daviwyeT jer kidev wina mowvevis umaRles sabWoSi. saerTaSoriso organizaciis UNIDP-is da vaxtang wulaZis uSualo CarTulobiT, kerZod, 2010 wels, qarTveli mkvlevarebis momzadebuli informaciis safuZvelze, gaeros ganviTarebis programa UNDP-ma daiwyo am proeqtis ganxorcieleba. misi uSualo finansirebiT moewyo maWaxelas erovnuli parki, rac mniSvnelovania Cveni regionisTvis da kolxeTis biomravalferovnebis konservaciisaTvis. axali kanonproeqti ki gulisxmobs maWaxlis daculi landaSaftis Seqmnas, kanonis doneze mieniWeba statusi, rac uzrunvelyofs iqauri bunebis Zeglis dacvas da gaxdeba axali turistuli mizidulobis centri xelvaCauris municipalitetSi, rac iq mcxovrebi Cveni moqalaqeebis keTildReobaze pirdapir aisaxeba.
– anu axali kanoni mxolod soflebs Seexeba?
– diax, kanoni iqmneba mTeli landSaftis Camosayalibeblad da dasacavad, sadac TavisTavad Sedis soflebi. analogi gvaqvs TuSeTis dacul landaSaftze, romelic Zalian kargad muSaobs. amitom gadawyda, rom aqac daaxloebiT igive sqemiT vimoqmedoT. rogorc ki kanoni damtkicdeba, iq turistuli infrastruqturac ganviTardeba vizitiorebisTvis saTanado proeqtebis ganxorcielebis Semdeg. aqedan gamomdinare, imediT SevyurebT am kanonis damtkicebas, radgan xels Seuwyobs regionis kidev ufro ganviTarebas. imeds gvaZlevs isic, rom proeqtSi saerTaSoriso organizaciebia CarTuli, rac nakleb danaxarjs iTxovs Cveni mxridan da gacilebiT masStaburi samuSaoebi SedarebiT mokle droSi ganxorcieldeba.
– Tu SeiZleba, oriod sityviT gviamboT maWaxelas erovnul parkze?
– sityvebiT ver gadmogcemT iqauri bunebis silamazes, magram Sevecdebi aRweras. mokled rom vTqvaT, administraciuli da vizitiorTa centrebi ganlagebulia xelvaCauris municipalitetis sofel aWarisaRmarTis centrSi, zRvis donidan saSualod 300-350 metrze. rogorc ukve aRvniSneT, misi Seqmnis mizani unikaluri biologiuri da landSafturi biomravalferovnebis SenarCuneba, kolxuri tyeebis ekosistemebis grZelvadiani dacva, ekologiuri usafrTxoeba da bunebriv garemoSi turistuli da rekreaciuli saqmianobis ganviTarebaa. aRsaniSnavia isic, rom parkis teritoriis 95% tyiTaa dafaruli. aq xarobs kolxuri bza, wabli, kolxuri Txili, qarTuli kakali, ungernisa da smirnovis Sqeri, uTxovari, Tela da sxv. parkSi funqcionirebs sami, samanqanosTan integrirebuli safexmavlo biliki. maWaxelas erovnul parkSi aqtiuri turistuli sezoni grZeldeba maisidan oqtombramde. mTavarangelozis bilikis sigrZe daaxloebiT oTxi kilometria. am manZils maWaxelas xeobaSi, tyeebSi gaivliT da mTavarangelozis mTaze axvalT, saidanac Cans, rogor erTvis mdinare Woroxi Sav zRvas, mosCans aseve baTumi da mTebze Sefenili soflebi. rogorc aq amboben, am adgilidan mTeli aWara xelisgulzea. mTavarangelozis bilikis gavla SesaZlebelia avtomanqaniTac, saavtomobilo gzis sigrZe 8 km -ia. qoqoleTis bilikis yvelaze maRali wertilidan Cans zeda maWaxelas xuTi sofeli, romlebic axla TurqeTis teritoriazea. `xuTi xevi Cans, romelic majis da xelis formas qmnis da amboben, rom saxelis warmoSoba swored am garemoebas ukavSirdeba – `maja-xela~, anu maWaxela. esec istoriuli bilikia. tyupi CanCqeris biliki sofel aWarisaRmarTSi, vizitiorTa centridan iwyeba. gaivlis moasfaltebul samanqano gzas da midixarT sofel qoqoleTisken, saidanac safexmavlo biliki eSveba tyupi CanCqerisken. bilikis dasawyisidan 700 metrSi, xeobaSi, daaxloebiT 47 metri simaRlidan eSveba ori CanCqeri. irgvliv Sereuli, foTlovani da wiwvovani tyeebia. ase rom, ulamazesi maWaxlis xeoba sul male gaxdeba saerTaSoriso masStabis daculi landSafti, rac miRwevaa rogorc ekologiis dacvis, ise adgilobrivi mosaxleobis dasaqmebis da maTi finansuri keTildReobis mimarTulebiT. Zalian bevri turistuli proeqtis ganxorcielebas SevZlebT.
– kidev ramdeni kanonproeqtis ganxorcielebas gegmavT?
– am etapze kidev 7 kanonproeqtia mzad, romlis inicirebasac parlamentSi vapirebT.
– amdeni xnis lodinis Semdeg, rogorc iqna, srulad dakompleqtda umaRlesi sabWo. kuTvnili adgilebi daikava opoziciam. xom ar nanobT, rom droze ar SeuwyviteT uflebamosileba, rogorc iTxovdnen?
– ara. mimaCnia, rom Zalian swori gadawyvetileba miviReT, radgan amomrCevlis neba unda ganxorcieldes. boikoti arasodes mimaCnda gamarTlebulad politikuri uTanxmoebis gadawyvetaSi. xelisufleba brZnulad moiqca, rodesac ar Seuwyvita uflebamosileba xalxis mier arCeul deputatebs da bolomde eloda maT Tanxmobas, radgan dausabuTebeli sijiute aranair formaSi ar iyo misaRebi.
– opoziciam pirvelive sxdoma xmauriani gancxadebebiT daiwyo, aRarafers vambobT Semdgomze. . .
– xmauri Cveulebrivi samuSao momentia. rodesac gansxavavebul azrs gamoTqvamen, xmis aweva bunebrivad Cans im situaciaSi, magram ar aris lamazi, rodesac amas satelevizio kadrebSi naxulob. nebismieri sakiTxis mogvareba SesaZlebelia normalurad. mTavaria, amis neba gamovxatoT rogorc poziciam, ise opoziciam. rodesac problema wamoiWreba sakanonmdeblo organoSi, misi ganxilva unda moxdes koreqtulad.
– batono lado, opozicia atkicebs, rom sxdomaze provokaciaze wamovida umravlesoba, radgan sakiTxi exeboda finansTa ministris korufciul garigebaSi mxilebas. `maTTvis uxerxul kiTxvebze veraferi rom ver gvipasuxes, Tavdasxmaze gadmovidneno~. . .
– aranairi uxerxuli kiTxvebi ar hqoniaT, piriqiT, gaugebrad saubrobdnen da kiTxvas normaluri forma rom ver misces, swored aman gamoiwvia areuloba. amtkicebdnen absolutur absurds, yovelgvari mtkicebulebis gareSe. igive warmatebiT, nebismiers SeuZlia raRac Tqvas, magram dasabuTeba ver SeZlos. saerTod, iyo Zalian daZabuli foni, radgan pirveli sxdoma Catarda maTTan erTad. aRar minda detalebSi Sevide, radgan Semdgomi sxdomac naxeT, rogor warimarTa. . . sakanonmdeblo organoSi miuRebelia aseTi toni da aseTi foni. unda vizrunoT saxalxo saqmeebze, miviRoT kanonebi, davexmaroT regionis mosaxleobas maTTvis uniSvnelovanesi problemebis gadaWrasa da sxvadasxva sakiTxis mogvarebaSi.
– rac Seexeba TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebs, rogor fiqrobT, miiRebs `qarTuli ocneba~ xmebis saTanado raodenobas? winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, vadamdeli arCevnebi dainiSneba, rac ukve sul sxva scenariT warimarTeba.
– am kuTxiT, araferi gvaqvs sanerviulo, calsaxaa is, rom aucileblad miviRebT amomrCevelTa xmebis araTu 43-s, sulac 50%-s, radgan qarTvelma xalxma kargad icis, vis ZaluZs saqarTvelos marTva da mosaxleobis keTildReobaze zrunva. swored Cveni mmarTvelobis periodSi yvelaze metad dauaxlovda saqarTvelo evropul ojaxSi gaerTianebis realur perspeqtivas. `qarTulma ocnebam~ SeZlo qveyanaSi demokratiis xarisxis amaRleba da gaaqarwyla saakaSvilis periodSi arsebuli gamZafrebuli SiSi samarTaldamcvelebis winaSe. yvelaze ukeT, albaT, media grZnobs, rom araviTari SezRudvebi ar moqmedebs da sityvis Tavisufleba zenitSia.
– opozicia sapirispiros amtkicebs. . .
– is, rom maT SeuZliaT nebismier gamocemasa da teleeTerSi isaubron rac surT, kidev erTxel amtkicebs Cems naTqvams. mas Semdeg, rac `qarTuli ocneba~ movida saTaveSi, ar SezRudula sityvis Tavisufleba. axla imis CamoTvlas ar Sevudgebi, ramdeni ram gakeTda saqarTveloSi Cveni uSualo ZalisxmeviT. sul sxva platformazea axla qveyana da msoflio pandemia rom ara, ekonomikis winsvlazec Tamamad visaubrebdiT. amis miuxedavad, imedi maqvs, rom male srulad moxdeba mosaxleobis vaqcinireba da SevZlebT davubrundeT ekonomikis im monacemebs, rac kovidviTarebamde gvqonda.
– isev rom dadges dRis wesrigSi arCevnebis gayalbebis Tema?
– vfiqrob, es gamoricxulia, radgan es arCevnebi warimarTeba eleqtronuli sistemiT, rac TavisTavad gamoricxavs teqnikur xarvezebs. mogexsenebaT, swored am xarvezebis gamo Seitanes eWvi gayalbebaSi, Tumca, rogorc ki gairkva yvelaferi, isic damtkicda, rom es braldeba safuZvels iyo moklebuli.
– gaxarias axali partia xmebs ar wagarTmevT?
– gaxarias partia opozicias ufro waarTmevs xmebs, vidre `qarTul ocnebas~, radgan meore mxares arian amomrCevlebi, arc `ocneba~ rom ar undaT da arc `nacionalebi~. es xalxi, albaT, yofili premieris partias dauWeren mxars. ase rom, darwmunebuli var, es Cven aranair problemas ar Segviqmnis.
