“პარტიებს შორის უდავო ლიდერად რჩება “ქართული ოცნება” თავისი პოლიტიკით, ხედვით, პრიორიტეტებით, რომელიც ხალხისთვის კარგად ნაცნობი და ხელშესახებია”
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aWaris umaRles sabWoSi mimdinare procesebze, avtonomiuri respublikis mTavrobis muSaobasa da miRwevebze saubrobs aWaris umaRlesi sabWos wevri ilia verZaZe, romelic darwmunebulia TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze mmarTveli gundis warmatebaSi
– batono ilia, daviwyoT arsebuli politikuri viTarebis mimoxilviT, ramdenad SesaZlebelia xelisuflebis SenarCuneba politikur sivrceSi axali moTamaSeebis gamoCenis fonze?
– saubars warvmarTav zogadi mimarT-ulebiT, raTa avxsna, ra xdeba Cvens irgvliv. mogexsenebaT, politikur speqtrs mudmivad axasiaTebs ganaxleba, formatis Secvla-gadajgufeba politikur sazogadoebaSi yovelTvis xdeba. ra Tqma unda, sasurvelia, ideologiuri kuTvnileba da faseulobaTa sistema nakleb cvalebadi iyos, magram es samwuxaro relobaa, rac gardamavali periodisTvis damaxasiaTebelia. ukve 30 welia Tval-yurs vadevnebT am procesebs da arc Cveni partiaa gamonaklisi. principSi, ukve igrZnoba garkveuli stabiluroba, faseulobebis pativiscema, Tumca e.w. migracia isev mimdinareobs qarTul politikaSi. aqve aRvniSnav, rom safuZvels da sawyiss aqvs ZiriTadi mniSvneloba. Tqven gulisxmobT gaxarias . . . vfiqrob, im formiT da im dros gundidan gasuli pirovnebis mier Seqmnili politikuri struqtura Zlieri ar unda iyos, Tanac qarTuli sazogadoeba jerovnad Seafasebs mis am nabijs da adekvatur pasuxs gascems. Tuki jgufi ver Tanxmdeba raRac principul sakiTxze da iyofa – es erTia, magram rodesac maqsimaluri gamorCenis gamo brZolaSi miatoveb Tanagundelebs – ukve Ralatis kvalifikacias iZens.
– Tqven migaCniaT, rom gaxarias aranairi mxardaWera ar eqneba?
– SesaZloa, siaxlis gamo, arCevnebis periodSi mogrovebuli xmebis raRac procentebSi gamoixatos Tanadgoma, mag-ram socialuri kvlevebidan gamomdinare, ar mgonia grZelvadian perspeqtivaSi raRac wonadi SesTavazos eleqtorats. amitom meeWveba, rom samomavlod raime Rirebuli Sedegi dados.
– sxva politikur partiebze ras ityviT?
– igive procesebs vadevnebT Tvalyurs sxva partiebis irgvlivac. visac ara aqvs mdgradi xedva da mwyobri ideologiuri miswrafebebi, maTi momavalic, grZelvadian perspeqtivaSi, bundovnad meCveneba. mokled rom vTqva, frTian frazas moviSvelieb: `saqmeman Senman gamogaCinos Sen.~ mniSvnelovania, rom sazogadoebam dainaxos da realurad Seafasos Seni saqmianoba. xelisuflebaSi sxvadasxva formiT namyofi partiebi fasdebian TavianTi qmedebiT, xedviT, ideologiiT, formiT, prioritetebis dalagebiT da ara imiT, rom lokaluri sakiTxebis irgvliv SegviZlia dadebiTi Tu uaryofiTi niusebis amokiTxva da gavrceleba. partia, romelic ar iyo xelisuflebaSi, aseve fasdeba misi xedviT, ideologiiT, SemarTebiT da midgomebiT ama Tu im sakiTxebis mimarT. saqarTvelos mosaxleobam dainaxa, vin ra midgomiT, faseulobebiT da prioritetebis ganlagebiT axorcielebs Tavis politikur saqmianobas da visTvis ra aris mniSvnelovani. amas niSnis mogebiT rodi vambob, mTel msoflioSia msgavsi procesebi, magram rodesac Seni prioritetia msxvili finansuri institutebis xelSewyoba da ambob, rom mxolod amis Semdeg dalagdeba qveyana, rodesac Seni prioritetia nulovani tolerantoba, arasayovelTao jandacva, imitom rom es Sav xvrelSi Cayrili fulia, amiT fasdeba politikuri gundi da xdeba arCevanis gakeTeba.
– TvliT, rom Tqven yvelafer amas iTvaliswinebdiT xelisuflebaSi mosvlisas?
– yvelafers viTvaliswinebdiT da ara mxolod winasaarCevno sityvebSi vaqsovdiT, aramed saqmeSic. swored amitom gvaqvs maRali reitingi mesame vadazec da meoTxezec gveqneba, radgan siaxle iyo qarTuli politikisTvis xalxze orientirebuli realuri politikis gatareba. rac unda ecadon sazogadoebis SecdomaSi Seyvanas, dezorientacias, raRac lokaluri niusebis Tu qeisebis maRla wamoweviT negativis Seqmnas, mainc ver miiReben sasurvel Sedegs. SesaZloa, aman xmebis 1-2 % misces, radgan xalxi xedavs Cvens midgomebs, Tundac imas, rom pandemiis pirobebSi, lamis ori wlis ganmavlobaSi, imdeni infrastruqturuli proeqti ganxorcielda, wina xelisuflebam 9 wlis da imis winam – 13 wlis ganmavlobaSi rom ver gaakeTa. adamiani xedavs, rom jandacvis, socialuri dacvisa da ganaTlebis kuTxiT biujetSi imdeni fuli ideba, ramdenic jamSi 9 wlis ganmavlobaSi ar gadaxdila da 13 wlis ganmavlobaSi – measedic. ai, es fasdeba realurad da am TvalsazrisiT, Tundac axal partiebs, TavianT programebSi araferi gansxvavebuli SesaTavazebeli ar aqvT da arc cdiloben SeTavazebas, radgan mainc aravin gayveba. amitom ufro biznesebis, msxvili finansuri interesebis xelSewyobaze arian orientirebuli. es yvelaferi, Cveni politikuri realobis maxasiaTeblebia. aqedan gamomdinare, partiebs Soris udavo liderad rCeba `qarTuli ocneba~ Tavisi politikiT, xedviT, prioritetebiT, romelic xalxisTvis kargad nacnobi da xelSesaxebia. anu vxedavT Cven irgvliv ganxorcielebul proeqtebs rogorc jandacvisa da socuzrunvelyofis kuTxiT, aseve quCaSi, mgzavrobisas infrastruqturuli proeqtebis saxiT.
– gaxarias partiaSi gawevriandnen `qarTul ocnebaze~ ganawyenebuli adamianebi, romlebsac miaCniaT, rom samsaxurebidan daiTxoves mxolod yofili premieris mimarT simpaTiebis gamoxatvis gamo, rac adamianis uflebebis uxeSi darRvevaa.
– politikur partiaSi imitom wevriandeba adamiani, rom aqvs simpaTia, rom momxrea misi ideologiis. aqedan gamomdinare, iyo am partiis wevri da im partiis mimarT simpaTiebs gamoxatavde, sxva Tu araferi, aSkara absurdia. Tu vinme amas ambobs, gamodis, araseriozulia, saerTod ar icis, politika ra aris. partia aris ideologiaze dafuZnebuli TanamoazreTa gundi. meti raRa unda vTqva, raze vimsjelo da visaubro? seriozuli komentaris gakeTebac ki gamiWirdeba.
– minda komentari gaakeToT kovid-jarimebis amnistiis Sesaxeb. es nabiji xom ar gamoiwvevs saxelmwifos mimarT araseriozul damokidebulebas, anu SemdgomSi dawesebuli wesebis da SezRudvebis ugulebelyofas.
– pozitiuri nabijebis negatiurad Sefasebis mcdelobas ukve SeveCvieT, magram kargad viciT arsebuli socialur-ekonomikuri mdgomareoba, isic viciT, rom zog SemTxvevaSi sanqciebi aucilebelia miRebuli normis asamuSaveblad da Sesasruleblad, magram isic aris, rom periodulad qveyanaSi amnistiis gamocxadebis uflebac gvaqvs. rodesac cixidan vuSvebT adamians, gamodis, rom sxva specialurad daaSavebs da kanons pativs aRar scems? es xom ar aris gegmuri an sistematuri movlena, es aris mTavrobis keTilganwyobis nebayoflobiTi aqti.
– rogorc iqna opozicia Semovida umaRles sabWoSi, Tumca daikarga sxdomebis mSvid garemoSi Catarebis perspeqtiva. mainc ra uxerxuli kiTxvebi dausves finansTa ministrs, ris Semdegac, `erTiani nacionaluri moZrobis~ wevrebs, maTive sityvebiT rom vTqvaT, Tavs daesxiT?
– araviTari uxerxuli kiTxvebi ar yofila da verc iqneboda, radgan aSkara pozitivi gvaqvs ekonomikis zrdis kuTxiT. rodesac biujeti ukve 415 milionamde aRwevs, anu 85 milioniT izrdeba, axal proeqtebs aanonseb, rodesac jandacvis, ganaTlebis, soflis meurneobis mimarTulebiT iniciativebi gaqvs da mosaxleobis keTildReobaze gaTvlil proeqtebze saubrob, uxerxuli kiTxvebi safuZvels moklebulia. nebismiers SeuZlia gvkiTxos, ratom daafinanse `es~ da ar daafinanse `is~. an eubnebi, `amdeniT~ vexmarebodi da axla orjer metiT davexmarebi, opozicia ki gekiTxeba, ratom samjer metiT ar exmarebi da a.S.
– isini sul sxvas amtkiceben . . .
– sxva ra darCaT, xom unda gadafaron 6-Tviani boikoti, romelic veranairad verc daasabuTes, verc gaamarTles. mere TavianTi principebic uaryves, danaqadnebi da danapirebic Tavadve moeCvenaT samarcxvinod . . . mokled, yovelive amis gamo, hgoniaT, rom mwvave kiTxvebs svamen. es araseriozulia. Cemi azriT, konstruqciuli dialogi da erTad muSaoba ufro misaRebia, magram Zalian cud dReSi arian, problema aqvT, radgan uazrod dagegmilma modelirebuli gayalbebis qronikebma, romelsac arCevnebamde didi xniT adre aanonsebdnen, ar gaamarTla. verc samarTlebrivad, verc logikurad ver daadastures gayalbeba. bolos sakuTari partniorebic ganudgnen, Semdeg evrokavSiris fasilitaciiT ver SeZles situaciis ganmuxtva. evrokavSirma naTlad dainaxa, rom arCevnebi ar gayalbebula. dasavleTsac mobezrda mogonili krizisebi da pirdapir SesTavaza dokumenti, romelsac gardauvali kraxis SiSiT daTanxmdnen, Tanac iseTi absurduli safuZvliT, rom xelic ar moaweres, ise Semovidnen . . . axla Turme `mwvave~ da `uxerxul~ kiTxvebs sxvamen. da es maSin, rodesac 85 milioniT mets vxarjavT respublikaSi, adamianebs ukeTesi pirobebi rom SevTavazoT. ubralod, xmamaRali tonalobiT Seqmnes imitacia, TiTqos Zalian cudi ram xdeba da maT Tavs esxmian simarTlisTvis. Tqven iciT, Cven am Souebs velodiT da arc gagvkvirvebia.
– `nacionalebi~ amboben: `sworad moviqeciT, sakanonmdeblo organoebSi Sesvlas rom davTanxdiT da mmarTvel gunds komfortuli sivrceebi ar davutoveT.~ ramdenad komfortulad grZnobT Tavs umaRles sabWoSi, batono ilia?
– aWaris umaRles sabWoSi varT 14 deputati, rac gulisxmobs sakonstitucio umravlesobas. me Tu gadawyvetilebis miReba mominda, miviReb opoziciis yovelgvari CarTulobis gareSec. Tu maT hgoniaT, rom arakomfortul zonaSi gvamyofeben sxdomebze `mwvave kiTxvebiT~, saerTod daukargavT realobis SegrZneba. Cven rom ar gvdomoda maTi Semosvla umaRles sabWoSi, is, rom saR azrs gaemarjva, evropas daenaxa, ramdenad civilizebuli qveyana varT, rom aWara aris saqarTvelos erTiani da ganuyofeli nawili, verc Semovidodnen. romel komfortze laparakoben? Cven aq Riad, gamWvirvaled vmuSaobT. Tundac baTumis municipaliteti aviRoT, romelic maqsimums akeTebs mosaxleobis sakeTildReod, da ara mxolod baTumis, yvela municipalitetis xelmZRvaneloba. marto CamonaTvalic ki daanaxebs yvelas, ra moculobis samuSaoebs asrulebs da ra proeqtebs axorcielebs aWaris mTavroba respublikaSi.
– mosaxleoba nerviulobs vaqcinaciis procesis SeCerebis gamo.
– es WiqaSi atexili qariSxalia. ician, rom or kviraSi Semova milionobiT doza rogorc `sinovaki~, ise `sinofarmi~ da `faizeri~ da aRar eqnebaT salaparako. klinikebic da saeqimo brigadebic emzadebian, raTa erTiani ZalebiT gazardon vaqcinaciis tempi. vfiqrob, oqtombramde daveweviT gegmas da wlis bolomde saTanado parametrebze gavalT. es saubrebic imas unda mivaweroT, rom dRis wesrigSi aqvT negativis gacxadeba da axla aswreben. xom ar dagvifaravs vaqcinis mowodebaSi Seferxeba? Riad vTqviT. Cven ki ara, evrokavSirma uCivla dagvianebis gamo `astrazenekas~. iqac `qarTuli ocnebaa~ damnaSave? pandemiis, eqstremaluri situaciebis dros xdeba vaqcinis miwodebaSi xarvezi, magram droSi cvlileba ar gamoiwvevs vaqcinaciis sabolo Sedegis Secvlas. mogvardeba yvelaferi. mTavaria, erTad dgoma da saqarTvelos keTildReobaze zrunva, sxva yvelaferi, vfiqrob, kargad iqneba.