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rogorc Jurnalisti, sxvebze ufro xSirad vawydebi laparakis SiSs (spikerofobias), rasac respodentebi gansakuTrebuli simZafriT avlenen diqtofonis Tu kameris win.
ra unda gavakeToT am dros, rogor davZlioT fobia, romelic lamis mcire asakidan mogvyveba, amaze saubrobs CvenTan interviuSi piar-fsiqologi magda kotrikaZe.
– ratom gadawyviteT spikerofobiis Seswavla?
– wlebia, rac vmuSaob piaris mimarTulebiT. gansakuTrebulad saintereso sferoa spikerebis momzadeba, magram swored am procesSi aRmovaCine, rom is codna, rac piars gaaCnia, ar iyo sakmarisi warmatebuli Sedegis misaRebad. daviwye specialuri samecniero literaturis Seswavla, internetSi video gakveTilebs vusmendi, masalebs vecnobodi, Semdeg ki, radgan piarisTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania drois resursi, daviwye geStaltis Seswavla. es aris fsiqologiis mimarTuleba, romelic yvelaze swrafad da efeqturad moqmedebs. ukve mesame welia vswavlob da davrwmundi, rom piaris da geStaltis tandemi saukeTeso modelia spikerebTan samuSaod, zogadad, fobiebis daZlevis kontentiT. mimaCnia, am mimarTulebas Zalian didi resursi aqvs, Catarda araerTi Sexvedra ucxoel kolegebTan, ucxoenovan jgufebTan, qarTvelebTan. asze meti adamiani registrirdeba TiToeul Sexvedraze, interesi maRalia. moTxovnam imata kovidis gamo internetis moxmarebis zrdasTan erTad, gauCndaT problemebi mcirewlovnebs, mozardebs Tu asakovan adamianebs. momarTva araerTgvarovania – sxvadasxva fobia, Wirveuloba, yelis sisvele, mxrebis Tu zurgis tkivili, muxlqveS sisuste, oflianoba, TvalebSi dabneleba da sxv. iTxoven daxmarebas.
– es xom ufro fiziologiuri Civilebia?
– diax, vizualurad gamoxatuli simptomebicaa. SesaZlebelia sxvadasxvagvari midgoma. piar-fsiqologia naxevradTerapiuli procesia, romelic spikerofobiis farglebSi muSaobs Zalian efeqturad.
– Sexvedrebs individualurad awyobT?
– ara mxolod, radgan interaqtiuli Sexvedrebi ufro did jgufebSi gamogvdis – damswreTa umravlesoba STabeWdilebebs da gamocdilebas uziarebs erTmaneTs. adamians, romelsac cxovrebaSi ar hqonia xalxis winaSe gamosvlis SemTxveva, Cvens Sexvedrebze leqsi waukiTxavs, umReria da usaubria ganzogadebul Temebze. Zalian emociuri momentia CemTvisac, rodesac vxedav, rom adamians fobiis daZlevaSi realurad davexmare. mTel am procesSi Zalian damexmara sakuTari gamocdileba. wlebis win, Tavad mqonda erTgvari spikerofobia. problema Semeqmna eTerSi yofnis dros. mas Semdeg, mudmivad ukana plans virCevdi, sxvebs vamzadebdi eTeris wasayvanad, rac arc Tu cudad gamomdioda. magram dadga Jami, rodesac Tavad gadavwyvite fobiis daZleva da swored im periodSi Seiqmna spikerofobia, rogorc piar-fsiqologiis meTodi. am kuTxiT axla aqtiurad vmuSaob. ukve momzadebulia wigni dasabeWdad da imedi maqvs, Zalian male, farTo masebs gavacnob.
– radgan wignis gamocema ganizraxeT, gamodis, moTxovna didia?
– diax, ZiriTadad universitetebidan mexmianebian, dainteresdnen Cemi saxelmZRvanelos perspeqtivebiT. dagegmili gvaqvs studentebTan da profesor-maswavleblebTan Sexvedra, rac saboloo jamSi, mogvcems sasurvel Sedegs. gveyoleba axali saxeebi, axali politikosebi, biznesmenebi Tu sxva profesiis adamianebi, romlebic stresis gareSe gagviziareben sakuTar mosazrebas, ar SeeqmnebaT urTierTobis problemebi.
– TqvenTan Sexvedramde, `davgugle~ spikerofobia, magram veraferi aRmovaCine.
– spikerofobia, iseve, rogorc piar-fsiqologia, Cemi piradi produqtia. es aris ori didi mecnierebis tandemi da idealurad muSaobs adamianze, romelsac surs daZlios esa Tu is SiSi.
– ZiriTadad ra asakSi uvlindeba adamians laparakis SiSi?
– ZiriTadad, mcire asakidan. xdeba isec, rom mSobeli arasworad mimarTavs, garkveul SiSs uCens bavSvs, eubneba: Sen es ar gamogiva, ver daZlev, damanebe Tavi, gaCumdi da sxv. pataras spikerofobia uviTardeba da Semdeg sxva garemosa da asakSi umZafrdeba.
– ratom maincdamainc `fobia~?
– SiSis sami saxeobidan fobia aris yvelaze rTuli dasaZlevi, radgan SesaZlebelia adamians igi gaumeordes sxvadasxva dros sxvadasxva situaciaSi. modiT, Tundac ojaxSi ganviTarebuli procesebi ganvixiloT. rodesac adamiani meuRlesTan, SvilTan Tu dedasTan urTierTobis dros ver gamoxatavs sakuTar Tavs, rTul viTarebaSi vardeba da problemebi eqmneba. spikerofobia uvlindeba axalgazrdas, rodesac ver uxsnis siyvaruls Tavis rCeuls. mokled rom vTqvaT, erTi SexedviT sruliad umtkivneulo garemoSia SesaZlebeli am fobiis gamovlena, ris Sedegadac adamians SiSi eufleba. swored amitom vuwode am fenomens fobia da ara – SiSi.
– ra SemTxvevaSi unda miaqcios mSobelma bavSvs am kuTxiT yuradReba?
– Tuki sam wlamde bavSvi ver gamoTqvams sakuTar azrs, ver abams winadadebas da ver ambobs sworad calkeul frazas, mSoblebma aucileblad unda miiyvanon specialistTan, raTa SeZlos sakuTari Tavis gamoxatva. es procesi gulisxmobs rogorc metyvelebis aparatis gasworebas, ise savarjiSoebiT, teqsturebiT, saTamaSoebiT, leqsebiT, sityvebis warmoTqmiT bavSvis ametyvelebas – cxadia, umtkivneulod da utravmod. aq aucilebeli komponentebia: simtkice, avTenturoba, gonebagaxsniloba, TanagrZnoba, pirdapiroba, mosmena, rom adamianma SesZlos Tavisi poziciis mtkiced dafiqsireba, iyos mimRebeli sxvis mimarT, rac gonebagaxsnilobas gulisxmobs, hqondes TanagrZnobis gamoxatvis unari, rom uTanagrZnos sxvasac da sakuTar Tavsac am procesSi, iyos maqsimalurad pirdapiri, Ria da daxvewili saubrisas, swored is teqsti warmoTqvas, rac unda rom miitanos msmenelamde, imitom, rom erTia, rasac vambobT da meore – ras igebs Cveni msmeneli.
– riT gansxvavdeba piar-fsiqologi logopedisgan?
– logopedi ZiriTadad muSaobs sametyvelo aparatze da sityvis warmoTqmaze. am process iTavsebs fsiqologic, rom SesZlos spikeris teqnikurad daxvewa. Tqven Zalian kargad mogexsenebaT, rom srulfasovani rezultatisTvis, logopedis funqcia piarSic aqtualuria. TavisTavad, nebismieri `piari~ aris am sferoSi gavarjiSebuli, mas aqvs codna da gamocdileba sxvadasxva wyaroebidan. meore fragmentia – SefuTvis da gamoxatvis, ufro mozrdilebTan: rogor warsdges auditoriis winaSe, ra teqstiT, ra ecvas, rogor gamoiyurebodes, ra mesiji gauSvas da a.S. Zalian mniSvnelovania, rogor iwyebs adamiani kontaqts auditoriasTan, sakuTari ojaxis wevrebTan, iRebs Tu ara ukukontaqts. es yvelaferi gaTvlili unda gqondes. bolos gadis finiS-kontaqtze, rodesac asrulebs sityviT gamosvlas da gadis kontaqtidan. rodesac saubaria spiker-fobiaze, yvelaferi Zalian mniSvnelovania komunikaciis procesSi. piar-fsiqologi mudmivad cdilobs, yvela fragmenti daajamos da daanaxos spikers, sad aqvs wyveta komunikaciis procesSi.
– yvelaze metad ra uWirs damwyeb orators?
– yvelas sxvadasxva problema eqmneba, zogs uWirs dawyeba – start-nawili. es yvelaze rTuli komponentia, radgan Tuki adamianma gadalaxa pirveli 15 wami, Semdeg ukve rolSi Sedis, romelic ufro morgebuli aqvs.
– axla TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi iwyeba, ras urCevdiT Cvens politikosebs, rogor unda moemzadon am mimarTulebiT?
– indur sibrZneSi aris aseT Temaze oTxi rCeva: pirveli etapi – me ar var sxeuli; meore – me ar var mxolod tvini; mesame – me ar var grZnoba; meoTxe – me var zRva usasrulo. adamiani marTlac usasrulo zRvaa, yvelas gvaqvs sakuTari anabeWdi, rogoric aravis aqvs sxvas. amitom ar unda davemsgavsoT vinmes, mxolod sakuTari `me~-s warmoCena aqcevs adamians figurad. Tuki sxvas baZavs da avTenturobas iviwyebs, verasodes moigebs verc auditoriis, verc amomrCevlis guls.
aqve vityvi, rom aris spikeris oTxi radikaluri tipi: lomi, kata, maimuni da ZaRli. lomi – agresiulia, ar usmens sxvas, frigidulia auditoriis mimarT da mxolod sakuTari TavisTvis laparakobs, magram aris informaciuli. kata – auditoriazea mimarTuli, STabeWdilebas axdens, eTamaSeba, iseTi specefeqtebi Sehyavs, rom daakargvinos mTavari Tema. maimuni – Sablonuria, araadekvaturi, bevrs moZraobs, gariyulia realobisgan, plagiats mimarTavs, sxvas akopirebs. ZaRli – morCilia, auditorias fexebSi uwveba da misgan moiTxovs emocias, ukukavSirs, Sinaarss. ai, es aris is radikaluri saxeebi, romelic ar unda gaimeoros spikerma da cxadia, yovelive amis gaTvaliswineba politikosebisTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania.
– Tu mogimzadebiaT politikosebi?
– ki, rogor ara, Zalian bevrTan mqonia Sexeba, bevric momimzadebia da vamayob amiT. umetesoba, mniSvnelovan saqmesac uZRveba da Tavis saTanadod warmoCenasac axerxebs. am xalxs gamarTulad laparakis da azris sworad miwodebis problema arasodes Seeqmneba.
– ra periodi sWirdeba mosamzadeblad mozrdil adamians?
– es individualuria, mis unar-Cvevebzea damokidebuli. rodesac politikosebs vamzadebT, droSi SezRuduli varT. rac Seexeba bavSvebs da mozardebs, maT pirovnul gaxsnazea damokidebuli, magram es ar aris xangrZlivi procesi. piar-fsiqologiaSi mTavaria adamianma gaacnobieros Tavisi SesaZleblobebi da dainaxos Tavisive resursi, raTa realoba ise Secvalos da miawodos sazogadoebas, rom misi sityvis Sinaarsi sworad gaigon.
– ras aqvs am dros yvelaze meti mniSvneloba: garegnobas, Cacmulobas Tu gonierebas?
– yvelaferi mniSvnelovania calke da erTad… aqve, magaliTad mogiyvanT cnobil adamianebs, romlebmac gadalaxes laparakis SiSi: julia robertsi bavSvobidan uCioda logonevrozs; merlin monros specifikuri tembrisTvis calke iwereboda simRerebi. tom kruzi cacia iyo, aiZulebdnen marjvenaTi weras da amis gamo Seeqmna laparakis problema; amaT ricxvs davamateb ainStains, agata kristis, hans qristian andersons. . . axla Sors wagviyvans amaze saubari. . .
– iqneb CamogviTvaloT, ZiriTadad ra saxis problemebs awydebiT muSaobisas?
– xSirad mosawesrigebelia saubris tempi, an rodesac spikeri ver gamoTqvams SiSina da sisina bgerebs; ar aris avTenturi, xelovnuria. vmuSaobT xmaze- zogjer pirs ara aqvs sakuTari xmis mimRebloba da hgonia, rom igi arasasiamovnod JRers. am dros Terapiuli nawili ufro aqtualuri xdeba.
– saintereso SemTxvevebs xom ver gaixsenebdiT?
– warsulidan moviyvan magaliTs. rodesac galaktion tabiZe daibares `CekaSi~ (uSiSroebis samsaxuri), misi meuRle ukve dapatimrebuli iyo. iq misvlamde ramdenime dRiT adre, xma dauwvrilda. aq qvecnobierma imuSava, TiTqos Secvlili xmiT ver miagnebdnen, ver icnobdnen. . . es fsiqologiuri faqtoric arsebobs, rodesac organizmi blokavs sakuTar metyvelebas.
saubris dasasruls, kidev erTxel minda yuradReba gavamaxvilo internets mijaWvuli bavSvebis problemebze, rodesac mSoblebs maTTan salaparakod ar scaliaT, ar ukiTxaven zRaprebs, ar eTamaSebian. patarebi sakuTar gamogonil samyaroSi cxovroben da xmiT baZaven maTTvis saintereso personaJebs, rac absoluturad miuRebeli xdeba skolaSi Sesvlis dros. xan icvlian saxels da gvars, rac niSnavs, rom bavSvs ara aqvs identificireba sakuTar TavTan. pirveli kontaqti iwyeba gamarjobiT, sakuTari Tavis danaxviT, gvaris da ojaxis miRebiT da Semdeg ukve – danarCeniT. sxva mxriv, gauWirdeba sociumSi Sesvla da miT umetes, iq damkvidreba.
