აჩიკო ბერიძე: სცენას და მაყურებლის აპლოდისმენტებს ვერ დავთმობ
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ansambl `alilos~ repertuari xelovnebis moyvarulTaTvis kargadaa cnobili. Cveni stumaria misi solisti aCiko beriZe.
– rogor gaxdiT am popularuli ansamblis wevri?
– `alilo~ Cveni kuTxis Svilis, `qarTuli xmebis~ solistis guram TamazaSvilis xeldasmiT Seiqmna. igi Cems ojaxTan axloblobda, Cveni xSiri stumari iyo. roca wamovizarde, babuam – giorgi asambaZem TbilisSi mastumra `alilos~, sadac saocari momRerlebi ikribebodnen da pirvel nabijebs dgamdnen qarTul scenaze. me maSin baTumis bavSvTa operaSi vmRerodi. guramma icoda es ambavi. roca TbilisSi gadavedi sacxovreblad, man mimiyvana `aliloSi~, Tumca male gardaicvala da mec davtove ansambli. 2014 wels laSa Rlontma da beqa CxaiZem isev SemomTavazes `aliloSi~ simRera, rasac siamovnebiT davTanxmdi. CemSi simReris niWi, vfiqrob, genetikuria – dedis mxridan asambaZeebi kargad mRerian da ukraven kidec, Tumca Zalian didi damsaxureba pedagogebs miuZRviT da minda madloba gadavuxado maT. mTeli cxovreba marina TavarTqilaZisa da mzeona maxaraZis madlieri viqnebi. rom ara isini, albaT, erTi rigiTi momRerali an kargi msmeneli viqnebodi.
– scenaze pirvel nabijs xom ar gaixsenebT?
– gasuli saukunis 90-ian wlebSi baTumis cirkSi Rirseulma kacma – merab lebaniZem sabavSvo festivali Caatara. dedam me da Cems das – likas migvaRebina monawileoba. vimRereT duetSi `amapola~. sxvaTa Soris, mayureblis simpaTiis jildo davimsaxureT. ase rom, pirveli nabijebi scenaze dasTan – lika beriZesTan erTad gadavdgi.
– rogor gimaspinZlaT baTumel momRerals dedaqalaqis musikalurma samyarom?
– Tbilisi baTumis Semdeg meore qalaqia, romelic Zalian miyvars. bavSvobidan vocnebobdi, studentoba TbilisSi gametarebina, aq mecxovra, gamecno aqauri adamianebi. Tbilisi aris qalaqi, romelic, Tu gulwrfelad Seiyvareb, gaiTaviseb mis wesebsa da adaTebs, aucileblad migiRebs, ise, rogorc miuRia didi pirovnebebi, romlebic regionebidan gadasulan. gamimarTla mraval garemoebaSi, maT Soris, adamianebSi, vinc am saocar qalaqSi damxvdnen da gverdSi damidgnen. aq Sevqmeni ojaxi, Cemi Svilebi aq daibadnen. myavs meuRle – nuca yanCaveli, ori Svili – nikolozi da levani. Cemi simReris inspiracia yovelTvis iyo qali da siyvaruli, ojaxi da Svilebi, radgan aseT garemoSi gavizarde. madloba Cems ojaxs, mSoblebs yvelafrisaTvis. simReras imaze ufro mniSvnelovani adgili ukavia Cems cxovrebaSi, vidre amas odesme warmovidgendi. popularobam moitana is, rom meti pasuxismgeblobiT vekidebi saqmes, naklebad mepatieba Secdomebi, radgan, ambiciurobaSi nu CamomarTmevT da. . . moswonT Cemi simRera, siaxleebsac elodebian. ase rom, vfiqrob, axla iwyeba Cemi Semoqmedeba. yovelive amisTvis madloba ufals.
– megobari – cxovrebaSi. gamorCeulad vis daasaxelebT?
– megobari sakmaod bevri myavs, Tumca `alilos~ wevrebs gamovyof, romlebTanac, SemoqmedebiTi saqmianobis garda, ukve naTel-mironobac makavSirebs. minda CamovTvalo isini da kidev erTxel aRvniSno, rom Zalian gamimarTla, am biWebis gverdiT rom vdgavar: laSa Rlonti, gia daviTiani, mixeil WoniSvili, sandro kobaxiZe, saba kemularia.
– gifiqriaT ansamblis Secvlaze?
– `aliloSi~ sixaruliT, siyvaruliT movedi, megobrebma mimiRes, ra Secvlaze unda vifiqro?
– misabaZi adamiani. . .
– aseTi, madloba RmerTs, mravlad myavs. roca mama gavxdi, bevr rameze vfiqrobdi, maT Soros imaze, rogori mama unda vyofiliyavi, ra unda meTqva SvilisTvis, roca Tavad ar viyavi Camoyalibebuli, bevr kiTxvaze pasuxis gasacemad mzad, Tumca is adamianebi maZliereben, romlebic Cem gverdiT arian, pirvel rigSi, mamaCemi – levan beriZe da deda – marina asambaZe, isini arian CemTvis misabaZni. maxsovs, rogori mSoblebi iyvnen da arian dRemde. gulwrfelad vambob – 24 saaTi Svilebis keTildReobisTvis Tavgadadebulebi. madloba maT da mTel Cems ojaxs, rom misabaZni arian yvelaferSi!
– Tqveni azriT, vin SeiZleba iyos qalaqis koloriti?
– iciT, ra, cota ar momwons sityva `koloriti~. yvela meore Tavis dabadebis dRes iubiles eZaxis, sami-oTxi nacnobi erTmaneTs Sexvdeba da. . . kolorits. kolorits vicnob baTumelsac da Tbiliselsac, zugdidels da Telavels, quTaiselsa da Coxataurels. . . yvelaSi erTi ram miyvars – saocari uangaroba, Tavisi qalaqis gulwrfeli siyvaruli, romelsac zogi profesionalizmiT gamoxatavs, zogi – cxovrebis wesiT.
– samsaxurze ras gvetyviT?
– profesiiT iuristi var, davamTavre SoTa rusTavelis baTumis saxelmwifo universiteti, magistraturaSi swavla TbilisSi, kavkasiis samarTlis skolaSi gavagrZele. vimuSave Cemi profesiiT sxvadasxva saxelmwifo samsaxurSi, amJamad var kerZo seqtorSi iuristi samSeneblo mimarTulebiT.
– scenas ufro iolad SeeleviT Tu samsaxurs?
– simReras Cems cxovrebaSi didi adgili ukavia. amis gamo ver davbrundi mSobliur baTumSi, Cems ojaxTan, radgan gaTavisebuli maqvs, rom esaa saqme, romelic mTeli cxovreba unda vakeTo. cudad Tu kargad, es msmenelma gansajos. Tu rames mivaRwie, simReris damsaxurebaa. ase rom, scenas da mayureblis aplodismentebs ver davTmob.
– politikasTan ra damokidebuleba gaqvT?
– vfiqrob, es iseTi sferoa Cvens realobaSi, rom gverds ver auvli, gulgrili ver iqnebi im gamowvevebis mimarT, rac Cvens qveyanas aqvs da rac principulad mniSvnelovania Cveni momavlisTvis. vfiqrob, profesionalizmia Cveni qveynis xvalindeli dRe. gansakuTrebuli politikosi ar myavs, Tumca arian adamianebi, Cemi megobrebi, romlebisac mjera. vfiqrob, maT Cveni qveynisTvis mniSvnelovani saqmeebis gakeTeba SeuZliaT – maT profesionalizms da gulwrfelobas vendobi.
– hobi?
– miyvars fexburTi, zogadad, sporti, aseve – mogzauroba megobrebTan erTad.
– mxatvruli nawarmoebis romelma personaJma datova Tqvenze STabeWdileba?
– rac wlebi memateba, miT ufro vxdebi Cveni qveynis, xalxis gulSematkivari. axla sxva ganwyobiT vkiTxulob qarTul literaturas da klasikas. maocebs vaJa-fSavela da galaktioni, SoTa rusTaveli xom msoflio movlenaa. . . bevrma personaJma moaxdina Cemze didi STabeWdileba, Tumca am ganwyobaze, axla rom var, maxsendeba lelT Runia. masTan saubrisas ilia yovelive imas ambobs, risi Tqmac saqarTvelosTvis, qarTveli xalxisTvis surs, swored aq acxadebs ilia mTavar – Tavisuflebis ideas, rac unda iyos yoveli qarTvelis mizani da survili. erovnuli Tavisuflebaa is, risTvisac unda ibrZodes adamiani.
– Tanamedrove mwerlebis Semoqmedebis gasacnobad dro Tu grCebaT?
– samwuxarod, Tanamedrove literaturas ver mivyvebi ise, rogorc abiturientobis dros. amJamad vkiTxulob jalal ed-din rumis `arsTa mesnevi~.
– drois fenomeni – Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi?
– is metad mniSvnelovania. Zalian cota dro aqvs adamians imisTvis, rom SeZlos jer sakuTari Tavis Secnoba, Camoyalibeba da kidev mravali ram. dro garbis, ar gelodeba, amitom, vfiqrob, adamianma yvela asaki da dro maqsimalurad unda gamoiyenos ganaTlebisTvis, profesionalizmisTvis, ra Tqma unda, ojaxisa da megobrebisTvisac.
– Svilebs ras usurvebT?
– Cems Svilebs minda vusurvo janmrTeloba, bednieri bavSvoba, radgan jer patarebi arian. vici, wesieri kacebi gaizrdebian.
– ucxoeTis romel qveyanaSi isurvebdiT gastrols?
– samogzaurod amerikaSi wavidodi. gvqonda `alilosTan~ erTad dagegmili koncertebi, Tumca pandemiam xeli SegviSala da samomavlod gadaido. vocnebob, irlandia da, kerZod, dublini movinaxulo. albaT jeims joisis `dublinelebma~ bavSvobaSi raRac saocnebo damitova.
– xelovanTa erTi nawili saqarTvelodan midis. arCevanis winaSe rom dadgeT, rogor moiqceodiT?
– Semoqmedi adamianis socialuri mdgomareoba Zalian mZimea. mxolod xelovnebiT cxovreba da ojaxis rCena araa ioli, amitom midis bevri qveynidan da sxvagan cdilobs Tavis damkvidrebas. CemTvis es gasagebia. ra Tqma unda, yvela maTgans Tavis saxlSi, ojaxSi, sakuTar mayurebelTan yofna urCevnia. mec mand var.
– saukeTeso dRe aqamde gamovlil gzaze. . .
– bevri dasamaxsovrebeli dRe mqonda cxovrebaSi. gamovyofdi Cems qorwils, Svilebis dabadebas, `alilos~ solo koncerts – filarmoniaSi, bavSvobis samegobrosTan dabrunebas, romlebic wlebi ar myavda nanaxi – aCiko gogitiZe, niko beriZe da me wlebis Semdeg erTmaneTs davubrundiT. ar ifiqroT, rame uTanxmoeba gvqonda, ubralod, ise moxda, rom yvela sxvadasxva gzas davadeqiT, wlebis Semdeg ki isev davukavSireT Cveni gzebi erTmaneTs. es dRe ar damaviwydeba!
– romelime poetis leqsze musikaluri nawarmoebis Seqmna xom ar gifiqriaT?
– amis survili maqvs, muzac momdis, Tumca dakvra ar vici da ver vimaxsovreb garCevis gareSe melodiebs. vfiqrob, amiT bevrs arafers kargavs msmeneli.
– cxovreba rom meordebodes, ra gzas airCevdiT?
– igives, radgan CavTvli, rom, sxva gzis arCevis SemTxvevaSi, wina cxovrebisgan araferi miswavlia. bevr rameze guli mtkiva, magram es gza Cemia da miyvars.
– dabolos, ras hpirdebiT mSobliur qalaqs?
– dapirebebi ar miyvars, Tumca erT rames vetyvi Cems qalaqs: sadac unda wavide da vicxovro, yovelTvis baTumeli viqnebi, gavufrTxildebi da Cavexutebi yvela baTumels, vinc amis Rirsia.
