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JurnalistTa darbevis saqmem agresiuli foni Seqmna, nacemi operatoris leqso laSqaravas gardacvalebis Semdeg. mTavroba cdilobs sazogadoeba daarwmunos, rom ganviTarebuli movlenebi winaswar dagegmili iyo radikaluri opoziciis mier, xolo opozicia pirdapir iTxovs xelisuflebis pirveli piris da Ss ministris gadadgomas. am azrs iziareben saqarTvelos wamyvani mediasaSualebebis centraluri figurebi da cnobili Jurnalistebi. saprotesto aqciebis talRam gadauara mTel qveyanas. yvela Jurnalisti ganicdis profesiuli movaleobis Sesrulebis dros nacemi kolegebis mdgomareobas da TanaugrZnobs leqsos ojaxs.
mZime viTarebaSi aRmoCndnen umravlesobis warmomadgenlebi parlamentSi, rodesac sxdomaTa darbazSi sxvadasxva manipulaciiT Sesulma opoziciam ar misca maT sxdomis Catarebis ufleba. deputatebi xeldaxel daerivnen erTmaneTs, xolo parlamentis Tavmjdomaris skamTan `gamagrebulma~ opoziciis warmomadgenlebma, SevardnaZis da Wiqa Cais istoria gaaxsena yvelas.
mTavrobis administraciaSi jandacvis ministris moadgiles Tamar gabunias brifingi ramdenime wuTiT Jurnalistebma Seawyvetines, romlebic daJinebiT moiTxovdnen saqarTvelos premier-ministris irakli RaribaSvilis gadadgomas. protestis iniciatori `formulas~ Jurnalisti giorgi kikabiZe iyo. man kolegebs sTxova, gverdiT dadgomodnen: `Tanamdeboba aucileblad unda datovos qveynis premier-ministrma irakli RaribaSvilma, radgan is aris nomer pirveli homofobi Cvens qveyanaSi, aris moZalade da unda wavides postidan. raRa Tqma unda, damnaSaveebi unda daisajon~.
`amerikis xmis~ Jurnalisti maia qvarcxava wers: `8 kacma scema 50-ze meti Jurnalisti? sul cota 100 unda iyos daWerili, sul cota. arsad ar magondeba 50-ze met Jurnalistze Zaladoba erT dReSi da amiT asjer meti Jurnalistis daterorebis mcdeloba. vcdilob, gavixseno ruseTi, CineTi, is qveynebi, sadac yvelaze cudadaa Tavisufali mediis saqme. mTeli msoflios ambebs vaSuqebT `amerikis xmaSi~ yoveldRiurad, saSualod 45 enaze vmauwyeblobT, angariSebsac yovelwliurad vkiTxulobT. warmoudgeneli ambavia, daujerebeli. rac dro gava, ufro gavacnobierebT. `imedis~ specrazmiT dapyrobisgan didad gansxvavdeba viTom es ambavi?~
leqso laSqaravas sikvdili da Jurnalistebis darbeva gaaprotestes baTumSi, aWaris mTavrobis saxlTan Sekrebilma sazogadoebis warmomadgenlebma. maTgan yvelaze aqtiurebi cdilobdnen Senobis kedelze wiTeli saRebaviT `mTavroba mkvlelia~-s daweras. samarTaldamcvelebma daiWires aqciis ramdenime monawile, maT Soris, umaRlesi sabWos deputati giorgi kirTaZe, romelic ramdenime saaTSi gamouSves yovelgvari axsna-ganmartebis gareSe. gTavazobT masTan intervius.
– konkretulad ras aprotestebdiT?
– viTxovdiT premieris gadadgomas, radgan swored RaribaSvilis uSualo mowodebiT daarbies Jurnalistebi, xolo operatori leqso laSqarava – mokles.
– ra braldebiT dagiWires?
– axlac ar vici. oqmic ki ar SeudgeniaT. dRemde ar uTqvamT, risTvis damiWires. damakaves saRamos 7-is naxevarze, gadamiyvanes qobuleTSi, `kapezeSi~, Semdeg 9 saaTze gamomiSves, wadi saxlSio. bodiSic aravis mouxdia. CemTan erTad daiWires baCuki CxeiZe da irakli ZiZiguri.
– vis akisrebT pasuxismgeblobas Jurnalistebis darbevis gamo?
– ra Tqma unda, biZina ivaniSvils. RaribaSvili arafer SuaSia, is ubralo, rigiTi Semsrulebelia, romelic TavisiT verafers wyvets.
– ivaniSvili wavida, Tuki RaribaSvili arafers wyvets, ratom iTxovT mis gadayenebas?
– imitom, rom is warmoadgens dRes ivaniSvilis xelisuflebas oficialurad. amitom unda gadadges, simbolurad mainc ikisros pasuxismgebloba da aRiaros brali. Tuki adre me, Cems Tanamoazreebs gvdevnidnen, gvirtyamdnen, gviWerdnen, gvklavdnen gansxvavebuli politikuri Sexedulebebis gamo, amas sxvagvarad aRiqvamda igive mediis da sazogadoebis didi nawili, magram axla Tqvenc dagerivnen, qalbatono irma, Tqvens saZmos, JurnalistTa did ojaxs da me kargad momexseneba, rogori Tanadgoma iciT. is, rac adre sensaciur siaxled migaCndaT mxolod, axla Tqvenc SegexoT. es Zalian cudia, amas ar vambob niSnis mogebiT. albaT, Semdeg melotebs an putkuna adamianebs daerevian. sad vcxovrobT, xom xvdebiT? TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebamde mainc mivideT, rom demokratiulad gavaciloT `ocneba~ xelisuflebidan. manamde ki RaribaSvili aucileblad unda gadadges, raTa cotaTi mainc amoisunTqos xalxma.
– Tqven am darbevas mTavrobis mizanmimarTul qmedebad miiCnevT Tu. . .
– araviTari `Tu~. mizanmimarTuli iyo, aba, ra! 53 Jurnalisti da operatori erTbaSad, erTi SemoseviT gailaxa. sadac ki mikrofonian adamianebs mohkravdnen Tvals, iqiT mirbodnen da gametebiT urtyamdnen, Tanac Tavis areSi. patara, kafandara gogonebs wixlebs azeldnen. kargi ra, amas romeli mxeci gaakeTebs, Tuki kodirebuli ar aris? ukve meore dRes, parlamentis win SekrebilebTan aTasobiT policieli idga, amis naxevari rom yofiliyo iq, aseTi ambavi ar datrialdeboda. cxadi iyo, rom CamoaSores samarTaldamcvelebi im dRes situacias, Semdeg rom Tavi emarTlebinaT, an evrokavSiris droSa SemTxveviT Camoxies ggoniaT?
– mTavroba xels adebs radikalur opozicias da pirdapir acxadebs, rom am yvelafris ukan saakaSvili dgas, romelic procesebs ukrainidan marTavso.
– ra SuaSia saakaSvili an ra Sexeba aqvs JurnalistebTan? ai, magaliTad, Cemi Svili rom yofiliyo iq, ra unda meqna? Cems Teklas Jurnalistoba unda Zalian da skolis damTavrebis Semdeg Caabarebs, vici. gamodis, unda gaelaxaT mxolod imitom, rom mikrofoni an kamera eqneboda xelSi? sakuTar Tavze arafers vambob, politikuri oponenti var, damiWires da rom ar momkles da ar gamlaxes, madlobeli davrCi, magram medias ras erCodnen, es xalxi yvelaze neitraluria Cvens sazogadoebaSi, mxolod informaciebs aSuqebs. amisTvis scemes?!
– giorgi, Tqven xom deputatis imuniteti gicavT?
– nu gamacineT, Tqven marTla ggoniaT, rom amas vinme ramed agdebs?
– Tqveni azriT, rogor ganviTardeba movlenebi?
– me yovelTvis viyavi da axlac vrCebi optimistad. mgonia, ase didxans ver gagrZeldeba, radgan fskers qvemoT varT Casuli. darwmunebuli var, uamravi adamiani gamova quCaSi da gaaprotestebs usamarTlobas, raTa Cvenma Svilebma da SviliSvilebma civilizebul, samarTlebrivad dacul qveyanaSi icxovron.
sakiTxze interviu vTxoveT aWaris ar umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomaris moadgile tite aroSiZes.
– rogor SeafasebT TbilisSi ganviTarebul movlenebs?
– pirvel rigSi, mwuxarebas gamovTqvam leqso laSqaravas gardacvalebasTan dakavSirebiT, samZimars vucxadeb ojaxs, axloblebs, kolegebs, qarTul medias. mniSvnelovania, swrafad da efeqturad Catardes gamoZieba da ar darCes arcerTi pasuxgaucemeli kiTxva. Tumca, ar moveridebi da vityvi, araadamiania, vinc manipulirebs gardacvlili JurnalistiT da politikuri miznebisTvis iyenebs am tragedias. `nacmoZraobis~ Cveuli meTodia, gaxsovT, albaT, merabiSvilis 2 gvamis moTxovna. davinaxeT, rom piradi motivebiT angaJirebuli adamianebis garda, aravian gahyva maT. sazogadoeba yvelafers xvdeba, qarTveli xalxi ar dauSvebs am sisxls mowyurebuli `nacxrovis~ parpaSs saqarTveloSi da Sesabamis pasuxs gascems.
cxadia, saqarTvelosTvis, rogorc demokratiuli qveynisTvis, udidesi mniSvneloba eniWeba gamoxatvis Tavisuflebas da `qarTulma ocnebam~ yvelaferi gaakeTa sakanonmdeblo doneze, rom gamoxatvis Tavisufleba xelSeuxebeli yofiliyo. es, ra Tqma unda, xels ar aZlevs im Zalebs, romlebic cdiloben sabotaJuri da destruqciuli meTodebiT qveyana krizisamde miiyvanon, yvelanair Zalisxmevas mimarTaven, rom mSvidobiani aqciebi deboSiT dasruldes. amis naTeli magaliTi iyo TbilisSic. premieris araerTgzis mowodebis miuxedavad, rom ar daeZabaT situacia, sisxls mowyurebuli `politikosebi~ mosaxleobas xelisuflebis daumorCileblobisken mouwodebdnen. ra Tqma unda, Zaladoba yovlad dauSvebelia da swored amis gamo iyo policiis maqsimaluri mobilizeba aqciis lokaciebze. Cven erT mxares vixileT provokaciuli Zalebis mier Sekrebili adamianebi, meore mxares – gaRizianebuli da gabrazebuli xalxi. gamoZieba, imedia, mokle periodSi gamoavlens damnaSaveebs orive mxares da kanonis Sesabamisad dasjis.
– Jurnalistebis darbeva mizanmimarTuli iyo Tu mTavrobis uniaTobiT darCnen daucvelebi?
– mivyveT Tanmimdevrulad procesebs: rogorc ki praidis momxreebma da, maT Soris, politikosebma daaanonses, rom mosaxleobis mxridan winaaRmdegobis miuxedavad RonisZieba mainc Catardeboda, xelisuflebam organizatorebs aRlumisTvis ramdenime alternatiuli lokacia SesTavaza, Tumca areulobis momxreebma es yurad ar iRes. amas emateboda im Jurnalistebis mowodebebi, romelic, msubuqad rom vTqvaT, aRizianebda praidis Catarebis mowinaaRmdegeebs. politikurma Zalebma saTavisod gamoiyenes situacia da procesebis eskalacias Seuwyves xeli, amas daemata Jurnalistebis mxridan araobieqturi gaSuqeba, rasac mohyva Zaladobrivi formebis gamoyeneba. cxadia, is moZaladeebi, romlebmac faqtobrivad, fexqveS gaTeles Rirebulebebi, Tavs daesxnen Jurnalistebs da safrTxe Seuqmnes sityvis Tavisuflebas, kanonis mTeli simkacriT unda daisajnon.
saxelmwifo adekvaturad moiqca da vnaxeT Zalian bevri SemTxveva, Tu rogor icavda policia da ar uSvebda erTmaneTTan dapirispirebul mxareebs, rogor icavda Jurnalistebs, Tumca Zalian rTulia azvirTebuli da gabrazebuli adamianebis Sekaveba da moxda is, rac, pirvel rigSi, ar iyo demokratiis principebisTvis misaRebi.
– ras ityviT am procesebisadmi sapatriarqos damokidebulebaze?
– rogor fiqrobT, saqarTveloSi, romelic fundamenturi religi(eb)is qveyanaa da aseve fundamentur tradiciebzea agebuli, sapatriarqosTvis misaRebi iqneboda `gei aRlumi~ da mrevls an sasuliero pirebs mouwodebda ar daegmoT aqcia, an loialurebi yofiliyvnen praidis iniciatorebis mimarT? evrokavSiris qveynebic ki, magaliTad, ungreTi, iRebs iseTi tipis regulaciebs, romelic pirdapir krZalavs aratradiciuli orientaciis propagandas. saqarTveloSi saxelmwifom uzrunvelyo, rom nebismieri Tavisufali azri, romelic ar ayenebs zians konstituciur usafrTxoebas, daculia da kanoniT daSvebulia. calkeuli politikuri jgufebi aRniSnuls mudmivad sapirispirod iyeneben. amitom, pasuxismgebloba unda daekisros yvelas, vinc eskalacias da Zaladobas nergavs, Tundac mowodebebiT. me vfiqrob, pasuxismgebloba unda davides individebamde, maT Soris, im Jurnalistebis qmedebebic unda Seiswavlon, vinc Jurnalisturi saqmianobis farglebs scdeboda. Zaladobisken mowodeba ar aris arcerTi religiis Rirebuleba, amitom, keTili inebon da itvirTon pasuxismgebloba im pirebma, vinc moqalaqeebs Zaladobisken mouwodebda, ramac movlenebis radikalizacia gamoiwvia.
– gjeraT, rom gamoZieba koreqtulad warimarTeba?
– mjera. ufro metic, darwmunebuli var. aqve davamateb, ara Tu koreqtuli, Zalian mkacric iqneba yvela moZaladis da kanondamrRvevis mimarT. vimedovneb, gamoZieba yvela SekiTxvas gascems amomwurav pasuxs.
– xelisufleba situaciis aseT daZabvas radikalur opozicias abralebs. . .
– radikaluri opozicia cdilobs nebismieri meTodi da xerxi gamoiyenos qveynis destabilizaciisTvis da fexqveS gaTelos sazogadoebis interesebi. bevri aseTi magaliTi vnaxeT, gansakuTrebiT bolo periodSi. opozicia manipulirebs sxvadasxva jgufiT, avrcelebs cilismwameblur gancxadebebs da axdens sazogadoebis polarizebas. samwuxarod, es araxalia da gasakviric ar iyo, rom es meTodi gamoiyenes.
– Tqveni azriT, rogor unda moiqcnen Jurnalistebi am situaciaSi?
– vfiqrob, pirvel rigSi, Jurnalistebs marTebT, maqsimalurad obieqturad gaaSuqon movlenebi da mxare ar aRmoCndnen arcerT situaciaSi. xandaxan rac mogvdis, Cvenive bralia da sanam problemis sxvagan Zebnas daviwyebT, manamde Cvens TavSi movZebnoT problemis wyaro. Jurnalistika, samwuxarod, gaigivebulia politikur partiebTan da es iwvevs sapirispiro Sexedulebis mqone adamianebis gaRizianebas.
