ეკა ბაქრაძე: ღირსეული და საჭირო საქმის კეთება ,,სკამის” გარეშეც შეიძლება, ანუ თითოეულ ჩვენგანს შეუძლია სამყაროს შეცვლა
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ivnisSi qobuleTSi gamarTul sabavSvo Teatralur festivals (`mziani saqarTvelo~) gansakuTrebuli elferi patara xaSurelma msaxiobebma SesZines – Teatraluri wris `akvariumis~ speqtalma sayovelTao mowoneba daimsaxura. misma monawileebma rva nominaciaSi moipoves prizebi. es upirvelesad `akvariumis~ damaarseblisa da xelmZRvanelis, cnobili poetis eka baqraZis damsaxurebaa. festivalis Jiurim igi saukeTeso reJisurisa da scenarisTvis diplomiT daajildova. qalbaton ekas SevxvdiT da interviu vTxoveT.
– qalbatono eka, gilocavT `akvariumis~ warmatebas. am rTul periodSi Tqvenma dasma Tavi gamoiCina. mogviTxreT mis Sesaxeb. . .
– upirvelesad, mivesalmebi Tqveni gazeTis mkiTxvels.
rac Seexeba qobuleTSi, sabavSvo Teatralur festivalze „mziani saqarTvelo“ Cvens morig warmatebas, ar dagimalavT da umokles droSi (TvenaxevarSi) momzadebuli speqtaklis aseT Sedegs arc velodi. mkiTxvels Sevaxseneb, rom 5 wlis win, xaSurSi sabavSvo Teatraluri wre „akvariumi“ Camovayalibe. daxvewil metyvelebasa da mxatvrulad azrovnebasTan erTad, ramdenime Taobam miiRo mayurebelTan urTierTobis gamocdileba, scenis mtveri da damsaxurebuli aplodismentis gemo igema. am xnis ganmavlobaSi warmatebiT moviareT sxvadasxva festivali, gavizardeT, gamocdileba SeviZineT. gvqonda saintereso proeqtebi da gegmebi, kerZod, holandiaSi, kunZul teqselze gasamgzavreblad vemzadebodiT. . .
erTi xelis mosmiT, pandemiis gamo, yvelaferi Sewyda. samyaro gaCerda CemTvis (ar vaWarbeb), gulis areSi tkivilebi damewyo. . .raRac, Zalze mniSvnelovani daaklda Cems cxovrebas. . .skola, sadac wris farTi mqonda aRebuli, daiketa. gadavwyvite, Sin ganmeaxlebina mecadineobebi. skeptikurad ganwyobilma ramdenime mSobelma bavSvi gaiyvana, visac gagrZelebis survili hqonda, utransportobis gamo, Sori manZilidan ver axerxebdnen Cemamde mosvlas. mxolod erT gogonas vamecadinebdi metyvelebis daxvewasa da mxatvrul kiTxvaSi. speqtaklze ocnebac ki zedmeti iyo. mezobeli qalaqidan inkluziuri bavSvebis mSoblebi damikavSirdnen (wlebis win, am qalaqSi gamarTul „akvariumis“ speqtakls daswrebian), mTxoves, dro dameTmo maTi SvilebisTvis. cxadia, maTTan muSaoba „akvariumisTvis“ warmatebis momtani ver iqneboda. miuxedavad amisa, uari ar miTqvams mzis SvilebisTvis, romlebic sixaruliT moiCqarodnen CemTan. maT calke vuTmobdi or dRes. isini mSoblebs sakuTari avtomobiliT mohyavdaT.
mizerul xelfasze, kreditebis xurjiniT mxrebze darCenilma (meore samsaxuridan gavTavisufldi), Caketili zamTari am cicqna sinaTlis sxiviT gadavatare. . .
maisis dasawyisSi damikavSirda festival „mziani saqarTvelos“ damfuZnebeli da organizatori Tea daviTaia, romelsac Cemi minoruli ganwyobileba ar gamohparvia. „yvelaferi dalagdeba, ar gaCerde! aseT ekas ar vicnob! ivnisis bolos kvlav speqtakliT gelodebi!“ – maTraxis gadakvras hgavda misi sityvebi. saswrafod, Cemi momlodine ramdenime bavSvi movixme, ori axalic Segvemata da 6 bavSviT (maT Soris, Cemi Svili) speqtaklze muSaoba daviwye. dro Zalian cota iyo, miT umetes, iseTi Rrma, fsiqologiuri Sinaarsis piesis moswrebisTvis, romelsac didi istoria aqvs. amaze mogvianebiT giambobT. festivalze eqvsivem saukeTeso nominacia daimsaxura. piradad me – saukeTeso reJisuris, scenarisa da musikaluri gaformebisTvis diplomi. Tavdauzogavi Sroma, mizandasaxuloba da siyvaruli imisa, rasac akeTeb, saswaulebs badebs! Jiuris erToblivi gadawyvetilebiT, aWaris damsaxurebulma artistma vaxtang gigineiSvilma „akvariumi“ seqtemberSi baTumis moswavle-axalgazrdobis sasaxleSi miiwvia speqtaklis saCveneblad.
minda visargeblo Tqveni gazeTiT da kidev erTxel mivuloco baton vaxtangs „meTojineTa gildiis“ mier miniWebuli givi sarCimeliZis saxelobis jildo da xelovnebis damsaxurebuli moRvawis wodeba, romelic baTumis meriam da kulturis saministrom mianiWa.
– vin arian `akvariumis~ patara msaxiobebi da rogoria Tqveni samomavlo perspeqtivebi?
– „akvariumis“ yvelaze patara msaxiobi mariam induaSvili pirvelad 5 wlis movida CemTan. `buratinos Tavgadasavalze“ vmuSaobdiT, TbilisSi, „maCabelas“ bavSvTa Teatralur festivalze wasaRebad. yvela personaJi myavs, malvinas garda. verc vpoulob. aforiaqebuli var. . . arlekinis rolis Semsruleblis deda meubneba – gogonac myavs, pataraa, wera-kiTxva ar icis, xom ar mosinjavTo. . . momiyvanes. Cems win mkacri, seriozuli saxis malvina dgas, axladmocvlili aqvs kbilebi, gamarTulad verc laparakobs. . . arCevanis dro ar mqonda, unda gameriska. . . rols vukiTxavdi da is imeorebda. ase iswavla teqsti. zogjer repeticiebze deda moundeboda da atirdeboda. . .
dadga festivalis dRe. guli mikankalebs – speqtaklis dros rom moundes deda, ra unda vqna?! mariamma SesaniSnavad gaarTva Tavi rols, cisferi parikiT da nominacia – mayureblis simpaTiac daimsaxura. sami wlis Semdeg damibrunda gonieri, discipliniani, mizandasaxuli da Sromismoyvare mariami da axal speqtaklSi brwyinvaled miitana mayureblamde, erTdroulad ori roli – holandieli mwerali qali da misi bavSvoba da kidev erTi saukeTeso nominacia daimsaxura.
murman lomiZe ori nominaciis mflobelia, ana nefariZe ,,akvariumis” freska gogo ki -samis.
saba gogalaZem „akvariumis“ axalma wevrma, bunebrivi qarizmiT savse biWma, mokle droSi auRo alRo sasceno niuansebs. Cemi morigi speqtaklis inspiracia swored saba iqneba, romelic TbilisSi swavlobs da repeticiebze xaSurSi iqidan ivlis.
guja gogalaZe Cemi „veterani“ msaxiobia, patara movida da dRemde, sofel cxramuxidan dadis. guja 7 festivalze 7 nominaciis mflobeli gaxda, saocari gardasaxviT gamoirCeva. rogorc komediur saxasiaTo JanrSi, aseve, leqsis kiTxvisas.
dabolos, Cemi Svili – giorgi baqraZe, aseve, saukeTesos nominaciebis mflobelia. misi genetikuri( samsaxiobo) da zogadad, mravalferovani niWis Cemeuli, swori ganviTareba maZlevs uflebas, misiT viamayo. `akvariumis~ birTvi seqtembridan gaizrdeba, baTumic gvelodeba da oqtombris bolos – „maCabela“. mecadineobebs, savaraudod, kvlav saxlSi gavagrZeleb, arastabiluri da araprognozirebadi situaciis gamo.
– am pandemiur viTarebaSi `akvariumis~ es aqtiuroba gmirobis tolfasia. . .
– ebrauli brZnuli gamonaTqvamia, daaxloebiT, amdagvari: `roca saqme ar aris, maSin keTdeba mniSvnelovani saqmeebi!“ ase damemarTa mec. raRac, gansakuTrebuli, jer rom ar mqonia, iseTi energiiT SeveWide da umokles droSi gavakeTe speqtakli. ioli ar iyo reJisorobis, scenaris avtorobisa da musikaluri gaformebis erTi adamianis mier erTad SeTavseba. rogorc ityvian, SiSveli xelebiT SeveWideT saqmes finansur saWiroebaze arafers vambob. festivalis xarjebi mSoblebis xelSewyobiT daifara. radgan kerZo wrea, xelisuflebisgan daxmareba Turme, ar gvekuTvnis(!), magram uflis xeli rom Segexeba da Senc Tavdadebas ar daiSureb, aucileblad gamoiRebs nayofs Sroma. Ggiorgis bevrjer uTqvams – deda, ,,akvariumis” mecadineobebisas iseTi bednieri da gabrwyinebuli saxe gaqvs, TiTqos dedamiwaze arc xaro. marTlac asea!
– Jiurim Tqveni scenari gamarjvebulad scno. . .
– nominacia – saukeTeso reJisura, Cems garda, sxvamac miiRo, saukeTeso scenari ki mxolod me mergo. es ramdenime faqtorma ganapiroba, upirvelesad, holandieli sabavSvo mwerali qalis ime drosis moTxrobam `gamarjoba, lamazo jariskaco,“ romlis mixedviTac davwere scenari da romelic kunZul teqselis ajanyebaze aris agebuli. mwerali teqselze cxovrobda, roca is patara gogona iyo. sakuTari TvaliT nanaxi da gancdili sinamdvile – qarTveli jariskacebis amboxi dampyrobeli germanelebis winaaRmdeg da maT mimarT teqselelebis ndoba da keTili ganwyoba SemdgomSi moTxrobaSi aRwera. es Tema mudam azrTa sxvadasxvaobas iwvevda. moTxrobis wakiTxvis Semdeg, sabolood davrwmundi Cveni didi papebis gmirul TavganwirvaSi, rasac patara gogona gulwrfeli aRtacebiT aRwers. xuWuWTmiani qarTveli jariskacis simReriT moxibluli „uCveulo, xaverdovan“ enas uwodebs Cvens tkbil qarTuls. qarTveli jariskacebis saflavebze zrunva dasturia holandieli xalxis maTdami pativiscemisa. moTxrobis avtori cocxalia, 88 wlis gaxlavT. masac SevxvdebodiT, holandiaSi wasvla rom ar CagvSloda. . .
– mkiTxvelebs moswonT Tqveni `literaturuli xaSuri~, romelsac gamoscemT. ras ityodiT gazeTsa da mis perspeqtivebze?
– „literaturuli xaSuri“ 2015 wlidan gamodis, yoveli Tvis bolos, municipalitetis bazaze. adgilobrivi SemoqmedebiTi da literaturuli cxovrebis garda, gazeTi saqarTvelos sxva regionis literaturul procesebsac aSuqebs rubrikiT „ `nomris stumari,“ rac ufro sainteresos da mravalferovans xdis mas. axal avtorebsac warmovaCen, Tuki SemoqmedebiTi xelwera aris maTSi. es stimulia, gansakuTrebiT, axalbedebisTvis. imedia, momavalSic meqneba saSualeba, saamisod. Cems mier daarsebuli Jurnalis „gzajvaredinis“ gamocema ki, usaxsrobis gamo, SeCerebulia.
– xaSuris literaturul cxovrebaze ras gvetyviT?
– wlebis win, roca xaSurs davubrundi, imTaviTve, Cemi yvela resursis, niWisa da urTierTobebis aq gamoyeneba gadavwyvite. Cemi proeqti „varskvlavTcvena“, romelic am mizniT movifiqre, 2013 wlidan dRemde aqtualuria. 16 ivniss, rogorc ki SezRudvebi, met-naklebad moixsna, morigi saRamo gavmarTe da didi xniT daSorebuli, monatrebuli adamianebi erTmaneTs Sevaxvedre. stumrad gvyavda cnobili xelovanebi da sazogado moRvaweni dedaqalaqidan. Cemi mowodeba sazogado saqmis keTeba da SemoqmedebiT quraSi wrTobaa, romlis simxurvale ki ar wvavs, aramed, axal ideebsa da unars badebs. Rirseuli da saWiro saqmis keTeba „skamis“ gareSec SiZleba, Tuki amis niWi da survili aqvs adamians.
– Tavad Tqveni SemoqmedebiTi mosavali rogoria. . . momavalSi ras unda velodoT?
– isev vwer, vTargmni, roca muza mwyalobs da roca dros gamovZebni yofierebis maraTonidan Tavis dasaRwevad. . .
– amboben, rom Seudarebeli meojaxe xarT, Tqveni sakarmidamo ayvavebulia. . .
– ayvavebulis ra giTxra. . .ezos didi Zalisxmeva da dro sWirdeba. ver verevi. . . Tumca, patara bostani maqvs da baRi – nairnairi xiliT, romelsac qilebSi vaTavseb zamTrisTvis. roca buneba aseT ZRvens gaZlevs, rogor ar unda daabinavo. . . „qarwaRebulni“ Cemi favoriti filmia, yvelafriT. gansakuTrebiT miyvars fraza, ret batleri rom skarlets eubneba: „tara SenTvis yvelaferia, Zalas miwidan iReb, skarlet!“ mec ase var. . .
– Tqvens Svilze – giorgize mogviTxreT. . .
– giorgi amqveynad Cemi udidesi Canafiqria. . .uflis SewevniT, yvelaferi aqvs: janmrTeloba, niWi, garegnoba, keTilbunebovneba. vcdilob, erTad movuyaro Tavi da swori gezi mivce. axla rTul asakSia yvela im maxasiaTebliT, rac biWma unda gaiaros. bunebiT maqsimalisti var da Znelad veguebi mis am asakobriv metamorfozas. SvilTan roca megobrob, sagangaSo araferia. ase rom, bewvis xids erTad gavdivarT deda-Svili, romlis bolo usaTuod naTelia!
– Tqveni mTavari saTqmeli, romelic gsurT uTxraT mTel kacobriobas, planetas.
– Cveni planetac, Cveni SvilebiviT, rTul gzas gadis. . . urTuless! samyaros axal ganzomilebaSi gadavyavarT, amitom, didi gamowvevebis winaSe vdgavarT da es yvelaferi im araswori qmedebebisa da azrovnebis sapirwonea, romelic uflis jvarcmamac ver gamoaswora da aRkveTa CvenSi. . . SemTxveviT araferi xdeba da is, rac dRes msoflioSi mimdinareobs, aris uflismieri gansacdeli, kidev erTi Sansi Cvens gamosasworeblad. es vrceli Temaaa da ase mokled ver amovwurav. dedamiwas axali samSobiaro tkivilebi aqvs. Cemi, kacobriobisadmi gzavnilia: davexmaroT, gavufrTxildeT Cvens cisfer burTs, siyvarulis, sikeTis, madlierebis, erTmaneTze zrunvis wredi SevkraT. mxolod ase gadavurCebiT borotebis klanWebs, romelic zRurbls aris momdgari!
– me SemiZlia Sevcvalo samyaro! _ es devizi Cveni Tanmdevi, orientiri rom gaxdes. . .
– TiToeul Cvengans SeuZlia samyaros Secvla, mxolod uflis karnaxiTa da STagonebiT. Tu Cven yovel gaTenebul dRes saswaulad ar miviRebT, Tu yvavilis surneleba ar aRgvafrTovanebs, Tu Cveulebriv movlenad miviCnevT imas, rom mze gvaTbobs, Tu sicocxlis maradiulobas ar SevigrZnobT niavis wamoqrolvisas, Tu madlierebis SegrZnebas davkargavT, Tu moyvasisTvis lukma dagvenaneba, maSin verafers SevcvliT. . .
– Tavidan rom moevlinoT planetas, ra gzas airCevdiT?
– gulwrfelad rom giTxraT, ar vici. . . erTi vici, rom metad davugdebdi yurs CemSi uflis CurCuls, igive Sinagan xmas, romelic yvela CvenganSia, miyuradeba ar viciT. . . roca es viswavle, bevrad gamartivda cxovrebis rutina.
– `romelman Seqmna samyaro~. . .
– da, romelmac Seqmna, swored mas surs, rom kidev erTxel gamogvafxizlos da gvixsnas. . . SevuwyoT xeli. . .