,,მჯერა, ბევრი უნებლიეთ სჩადის იმ უმსგავსობას, რამაც ჟურნალისტის პროფესია ჩვენს ქვეყანაში საქილიკო გახადა”
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sakmaod rTuli periodi daudga `qarTul ocnebas~ – Jurnalistebis darbevis kvaldakval agorebuli talRa parlaments miadga, Sig SeaRwia da gamosavals ar eZebs. leqso laSqaravas saxeli, misi foto Seuracxyofili mediis bairaRad iqca da iseTi STabeWdileba rCeba, TiTqos leqsosa da im 54 Jurnalistze moZaladeebis, Zaladobis organizatorebis povna ki ara, maincdamainc mmarTveli partiis dadanaSauleba surT. simarTle naklebad ainteresebs yvelas. swored aq `iWedeba~ opoziciuri mediis is nawili, xels rom adebs xelisuflebas mxolod imitom, rom ase gadawyda, ase `momarTes~. axla yvelaze iolia, daeTanxmo, Tavi daukra, ahyve braldebebSi, magram. . . Cven xom simarTles vemsaxurebiT, WeSmaritebis ZiebaSi unda viyoT, Tuki realurad gvsurs damnaSavis povna da misi gasamarTleba. . .
am Temaze gTavazobT intervius publicist daviT CxartiSvilTan, romelic saerTaSoriso masStabebSi CarTviT cdilobs arsebuli situaciis gaanalizebas.
– rogor SeafasebT mimdinare movlenebs – Jurnalistebis aqcias parlamentis win, RaribaSvilisa da gomelauris gadadgomis moTxovnas. saidan daiwyo yvelaferi da sadamde mivida?
– rom gaiazro problema, saTaveebs unda CauRrmavde. es araa wminda wylis qarTuli dRis wesrigi da gasaRebic sxvagan unda veZeboT. metic, is Tavxedurad mogvaxvies, radganac limitrofi qveyana varT, Tavisi gverdiTi efeqtebiTurT. mogvwons Tu ara, es asea. Zalze Zlieria amerikis garkveuli arajansaRi Zalebis gavlena, Sesabamisad, iqauri, Sida kulturuli omebi Cvenze gadmodis. esaa e.w. identobis politikis, `kritikuli rasobrivi Teoriis~, `genderuli Teoriebisa~ da radikalur-liberaluri interpretaciiT `feminizmis~ uapelacio indoqtrinizaciis mcdelobebi tradiciisa da, zogadad, mentalobis gaTvaliswinebis gareSe. aseve, sxvis sacivilizacio dapirispirebebSi sazarbazne xorcis ampluaSi permanentulad yofna, magram amaze sxva dros iyos. am neoliberalur safrTxeebze, sxvaTa Soris, jer kidev tetCeri da reigani afrTxilebda sakuTar xalxs, qarTveli xalxi ki swored amaTi dasavleTiT ixibleboda Tavis droze, rogorc uRmerTo aRmosavleTis sapirwonesi. ase rom, aq evropa-aziis anda dasavleT-ruseTis wyalgamyofis gavleba yovlad uadgiloa imis miuxedavad, rom jiutad gvaxvevs Tavs mag miTologemas aqauri `vesternizebuli~ bomondi. maS, ra gasakviria, Tu CvenTan aseT winaaRmdegobas waawydnen lgbt aRlumis Catarebis momxreebi, Tu iqac msgavsi problemebia. poloneTze da ungreTze saerTod aRar vsaubrob, radganac Sors wagviyvans. globaluri senia es da globaluri problemac, Sesabamisad, am konteqstis gaTvaliswinebis gareSe ver gavigebT da verc gadavwyvetT. es adamianis pirvelad struqturebs exeba, razec yvelaferi danarCeni daSenebulia. viRacam ki moindoma am fundamentis Seryeva xelovnuri konstruqciis moxveviT, rac ar gamova, xuxulasaviT daengrevaT es Canafiqri. bedis ironiaa isic, rom vinc amas ewinaaRmdegeba, dasavleTis mtrebad moinaTla. arada, es imiTaa gamowveuli, rom 60-ian wlebSi sabWoTa kavSiris ideologiis gavleniT memarcxene ideebi Sevida evropul universitetebSi. aravisTvisaa saidumlo, rom iqauri inteleqtualebi lamis sabWouris fanklubi iyo. bevri rom aRar gavagrZelo da mTeli kulturologiuri kvleva ar gamogvivides, ubralod, davZen, rom iqidan mag ideebma mediaSi gaJona, mediidan – politikur ZalebSi, partiebidan im eris nawilSi, vinc dRes xmas aSS-is demokratiul partias aZlevs, anda iparavs xmebs mis sasargeblod. isic gasaTvaliswinebelia, rom aSS-is mediasaSualebebis umetesobac dempartiis bonzebis sakuTrebaa. xom gaxsovT `antifas~ da `blm~-s mier mowyobili areulobebi – gadamwvari amerika 2020 wels. esec dempartiis amomrCevlis zonderbrigadebi gaxldaT. swored es Zalebi, mkveTrad upirispirdebian amerikis tradiciul-konservatiul nawils, e.w. vospebs (White anglo-saxon protestant). isini uaryofen istorias, biologias, RmerTs, zogadad, tradiciuli institutebis ganadgurebas cdiloben, magram arafer alternatiuls ar sTavazoben garda e.w. Tavisuflebisa da am cnebas amofarebulni isini kidec gvmarTaven Cven, aq maTi msoflmxedvelobis matarebeli, pirobiTad, qarTuli telearxebiT. Jurnalistebi maTi provaiderebia iq da aqac, msgavsi monaTesave ideebis, arc meti arc naklebi. vfiqrob, gasagebia, rom ar vsaubrob aq iseT Jurnalistikaze, romelsac heminguei, ilia an ambroz birsi warmoadgendnen, an, sulac, taker karlsoni Tu Cvenda samarcxvinod gagdebuli pozneri. vsaubrob gaunaTlebel, angaJirebul gogo-biWebze, mikrofonebiT rom darbian da rame Temis ana-bana ar esmiT fundamentur doneze. amitomac erTmniSvnelovnad uaryofiTad Sevafasebdi maT aqciasac da unarebsac, aseve `nacmoZraobis~ narativze ayolis nacvlad, friad sapativcemulo profesiaSi, romelic maT ase daaknines, jer daxelovnebas SevTavazebdi. Tumca mjera, bevri uneblieT sCadis im umsgavsobas, ramac Jurnalistis profesia Cvens qveyanaSi saqiliko gaxada. imdenad warmodgena ar aqvT im saqmeze, rasac akeTeben, rom fiqroben, Tavad vayalibebT sakuTar azrebs da virCevT Rirebulebebso. sabraloni, Camouyalibes redaqtorebma da arxebis mflobelebma, maT unda moekiTxos, eseni ki gadamzadebas saWiroeben. `Tavisufleba~ negatiuricaa da pozitiuric, es maTi umravlesobisTvis axla Cinuria, magram TvalsaCinoebisTvis vecdebi avxsna rac SeiZleba martivad, komiqsis doneze lamis: iyo aseTi piaris guru – edvard berneisi. misi erT-erTi namoqmedaris gaxsenebac sakmarisi iqneba, rom eqstrapolaciis meSveobiT CawvdeT da aqaur situacias moargoT. qali da sigareti cud tonad iTvleboda odesRac. batonma berneisma, miiRo ra dakveTa Tambaqos mwarmoeblebisgan da daukavSira sigareti `Tavisuflebas~, am cudi Cvevis masebSi implementaciisaTvis, gamoiyena iseTi popularuli moZraoba, rogoric `sufraJizmi~ iyo. man xsnebuli moZraobidan yvelaze cnobil saxeebs sigareti moawevina sajarod. ase da amgvarad iqca sigareti `Tavisufali qalis~ simbolod aSS-Si, mere ki holivudis meSveobiT yvelgan `gatrendda~. mokled, Semdeg uaresebic xdeboda. aseT `Tavisuflebas~ emsaxurebian eseni aq. es, ubralod, erTi magaliTia zemoqmedebis im mravali teqnologiidan, rasac iyenebs interesTa jgufebi sakuTari miznebis misaRwevad `Tavisuflebis~ saxeliT da rasac yvela fexis nabijze vxvdebiT arakeTilsindisieri mediis mxridan. es konkretuli SemTxvevac – lgbt aRlumTan dakavSirebiTac, ra Tqma unda, am `Tavisuflebis~ kategoriidanaa. aseTi manipulaciebis gamo, gomelauri, gasagebia, rom ar unda gadadges, RaribaSvilze xom saerTod zedmetia saubari. es am viTarebaSi danaSauli iqneboda qarTuli saxelmwifos winaSe.
– rogor migaCniaT, Jurnalistebis darbeva mTavrobis waqezebiT moxda Tu radikaluri opoziciis?
– erTi sufiuri istoriaa mizez-Sedegobriobaze: `Zmao farid, aba, miTxari, vinaa damnaSave, – ekiTxeba moswavles ostati, – is kaci, rom CamoaxrCves Tu is, vinc mas vercxli misca, dana rom eyida imisaTvis, rom kaci moekla da ar mohkiTxa, Tu risTvis yidulobda is am danas!~… iqneb isini, vinc amas Seeswro da ar gaaCeres an Tavad is mokluli, romelmac yelSi amouyvana da gaamwara mkvleli qceviT. SeiZleba is garemoc, sadac mkvleli izrdeboda da msgavs qcevas miesalmebian, an sulac isaa damnaSave, vinc es dana gaakeTa, SesaZloa, Tavad mag miwis mmarTveli, vinc kanoniT ver daaregulira warmoqmnili kazuistika da a. S. vusamZimreb mec, ra Tqma unda, tv-pirvelis operatoris ojaxs, magram isic unda iTqvas, rom amazrzeni sayurebelia adamianur tragediaze qulebis daweris mcdeloba fleSmobis formatSi, sadac Riad ar gauvidaT, ase muxanaTurad cdiloben. gaTvla erTia – bakqanaliam Tavidan ifeTqos, elCebma mxari dagviWiros, axali grantebi wamovides da sul cal fexze davikidebT qarTveli erisa da beris nebas amjerzec. mSvenivrad ician, rom is, ris gaCerebasac trampi cdilobda da ver moaxerxa, dRes aSS-Si axali ZaliT gaRvivda. elementarulia – TeTr saxlSi administraciis cvlasTan erTad Seicvala maTi elCis ritorikac. qalbatoni degnani im trenduli memarcxene liberaluri xazis apologeti aRmoCnda, romelic aSS-is demokratiuli partiis wiaRSia Sobili da romelsac, rogorc aRvniSne, Tavad amerikis mosaxleobis naxevarze meti SeewinaaRmdega, araTu tradiciuli da klasikuri liberalizmis momxre saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi. amis gageba ar surs im Zalebs, visac grantebis da axali patronebis imedi aqvs TeTr saxlSi. Jurnalistebi am SemTxvevaSi mxolod instrumentia. es araferia, rodesac mTavrobis da eklesiis pozicias uWers mxars eris umravlesoba, magram imis gaTvaliswinebiT, rom mediur samyaroSi vcxovrobT, mdgomareoba namdvilad saSiSia. es saSiSi viTarebaa imis gaTvaliswinebiTac, rom didi ideologiebi aRar gvimagrebs zurgs, sakiTxis fundamenturi codna ki Zalian cotas Tu gaaCnia, rac saSualebas aZlevs aTasi juris interesTa jgufs, lamis laboratoriuli Tagvebis dReSi amyofos eris didi nawili.
– ra rols akisrebT amaSi eklesias?
– Cven patara qveyana varT, garSemortymuli mtaceblebiT. sxvadasxva saxelmwifo sxvadasxvanairad zemoqmedebs Cvenze, zogi rbili ZaliT Semodis, zogisTvis dominanti qcevis modeli ekonomikuri eqspansiaa, zogic – tankebiT. kidev ra gamowveva gamoCndeba axlo momavalSi, RmerTma uwyis, iseTi teqtonikuri Zvrebi da axali gadanawileba mimdinareobs msoflioSi. aseT viTarebaSi Cveni eklesia maSvel rifiviTaa azvirTebul okeaneSi. is erTaderTi institutia dRes saqarTveloSi, romelic koniuqturis miRma dgas da ara eleqtoraluri, aramed saxelmwifoebrivi, grZelvadiani, STamomavlobaze gaTvlili strategiebiT xelmZRvanelobs. im maradiuli faseulobebis sadarajoze dgas, romelzec yovelTvis idga saqarTvelo. bevri ram gadautania, Zalian lamazi, magram tragikuli istoria gaaCnia da is, rac dRes mis irgvliv xdeba, axali araa. Rirseulad gadaitana amaze uaresebi da am Tanamedrove `mebrZol uRmerToTa kavSiris~ Semosevasac rogorme gadaitans, romelic iseT wmida cnebasaa amofarebuli, rogoric `sityvis Tavisuflebaa~.
– parlamentSi dapirispireba ramdenad moaxdens gavlenas Seqmnil viTarebaze? mTavroba ar apirebs gadadgomas – TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebs elodeba?
– gaviTavisoT – rasac axla vxedavT qarTul mediur da politikur moedanze, Zveli SeTanxmebis Sedegia. didi moTamaSeebi dRes axali SeTanxmebisTvis mzad arian da amas Zalian bevri faqtori mowmobs. es iynosa iseTma veragma da gamocdilma Zalam, rogoric `nacionaluri moZraobaa~, aamuSava Tavisi instrumentebi wamyvani mediaplatformebis saxiT. eCqarebaT xelisuflebis Cagdeba, rom saTaveebTan yofnisas, axali gadanawilebis dros, Tavisi pirobebi wamoayenon. ician, rom es axali SeTanxmeba gardauvalia. erTi ver gaTvales, aravin gauwevs maT angariSs, imdenad cudi begraundi aqvT. amitomac gardauvalia axali ideebis da partiebis gamoCenac da es ufro `ocnebasTan~ afilirebuli Zalebi iqneba, vidre am neoliberalur `nacebTan~. da es aRar iqneba postmodernistuli dayofa, roca dava midioda, Tu ra feris saTamaSaoebi unda Camokidon naZvis xeze – wiTeli Tu lurji. aq zRvari fundamentze gaivlis, Zireul cvlilebebzea saubari. principSi, moxdeba is, rac qarTvelebs gvWirdeba – esaa arsebuli paradigmis garRveva da axlis Seqmna. es ki mxolod yvela partiidan Tu akademiuri wreebidan jansaRi da proaqtiuri xalxis erTiani frontis araneoliberaluri formatiT Tu moxerxdeba. arc proamerikeli, arc prorusi da arc proCineli unda iyos da es iqneba xalxi. es kliSeebi xom saerTod revs qarTul sinamdviles. odnav mainc Caxeduli adamiani am samzareuloSi xvdeba, rom es iarliyebi mxolod da mxolod mentaluri xafangebia da manipulaciis instrumenti. arsebobs aseTi cneba frensis bekoni amas `gonebis xatebs~ uwodebda, eseni uSlian xolme Cawvdomas Sesaswavl saganSi. gaaJRerebs maT vinme angaJirebuli Teoretikosi an enjeo aqtivisti, romelic Sors dgas realpolitikisagan, aitacebs jgufi, media da mere aTasobiT adamiani imeorebs, am sisuleles, rogorc mantrebs. `koniuqturSikebi~, romlebic situaciis mixedviT moqmedeben xolme, Semdgom akademiurad daasabuTeben am sisuleleebs, medroveebi ki daizuTxaven da karieras gaikeTeben am sisuleleebis ZaxiliT. ase iqmneba mojadoebuli wre, romlis garRvevas amdeni welia vcdilobT, magram zemodan moxveul matricas zemodanve Tu ar moxsnian, verafriT gaxliCav da egaa. ai, aseTi saintereso dro modis, romelic epoqaluri cvlilebebis sawindari unda gaxdes. sxva danarCenze sxva dros visaubroT.
