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qarTveli qali, romelmac aSS-is patara qalaqs qarTuli samzareulo Seayvara, dona giorgaZea. Aiq mas yvela icnobs. agvistoSi misi pirveli wigni gamova qarTuli samzareulos Sesaxeb . . .
– gagvecaniT, vin aris dona giorgaZe?
– davibade rusTavSi, Zalian tradiciul ojaxSi, sadac prioriteti iyo ganaTleba, wesiereba da standartul CarCoebSi yofna. mamaCemi mTeli SegnebiT komunisti iyo, stalinis didi Tayvanismcemeli, deda – swavlaze Cacikluli. maxsovs, diliT rogor maRviZebda, skolaSi wasvlis win gakveTilebi rom gamemeorebina. kargi niSnebi imdenad mniSvnelovani iyo Cemi mSoblebisTvis, xuTianze dabal niSans Tu miviRebdi, Tavis mokvlazec ki vfiqrobdi, arada, ar miyvarda teqnikuri sagnebi, fizika da qimia – gansakuTrebiT. wignebis kiTxva iyo Cemi yvelaze sayvareli saqmianoba. skolis periodSi wavikiTxe yvelaze bevri da saintereso wigni, am periodSi Camomiyalibda mxatvruli gemovneba da vizualuri xedva – rasac vkiTxulobdi, imas kadrebiviT vxedavdi. ase var. ambavs vismen da am yvelafers filmiviT vxedav. Zalian mkacri mSoblebi myavda, mama – gansakuTrebiT. Sarvlisa da mokle qvedabolos Cacmac ki mekrZaleboda. maxsovs, rogor vicvlidi liftSi tansacmels. albaT, amitom Camomiyalibda meamboxe da daumorCilebeli xasiaTi. am yvelaferma imdenad uaryofiTi gavlena iqonia Cemze, rom rodesac Svilebi SemeZina, arasodes SemizRudavs maTi piradi sivrce da arCevani -dadiodnen yvelaze progresul da Tavisufal skolaSi, yovelTvis TviTon iRebdnen gadawyvetilebas, arasodes Camibarebia gakveTilebi da Semimowmebia maTi saskolo davalebebi. vaswavle is, rac gamoadgebodaT cxovrebaSi – velosipedis tarebidan dawyebuli, elementaruli saWmlis gakeTebiT damTavrebuli. davamTavre ucxo enebis fakulteti. studentobis dros vmuSaobdi telekompania `rusTavi 2~-Si, mere – inglisuris maswavleblad da kidev sxva Zalian umniSvnelo poziciebze. arcerTi ar iyo Cemi sayvareli saqmianoba, Tumca vTvli, rom es yvelaferi unda gamevlo.
– rodis da rogor daiwyo Tqveni amerikuli cxovreba?
– 29 wlis viyavi, amerikaSi pirvelad rom Camovedi. es iyo Cemi pirveli frena. am dros ukve ojaxi myavda, qmari da ori Svili – sofo da lile. Cemi bavSvobis uaxloesi megobari, romelic amerikaSi 6 wlis win wavida, Txovdeboda da saqorwino viza gamomigzavna. rodesac miwvevaA miviRe, arc ki mifiqria wasvla, arc imis imedi mqonda, rom vizas momcemdnen da arc finansuri SesaZlebloba. zustad ar maxsovs, rodis da ratom gadavwyvite, bedi mecada da sakonsulosTvis mimemarTa. 15 adamianidan mxolod me miviRe viza. bileTis fuli megobris dedam masesxa. 2009 wlis oqtomberSi, Ramis sam saaTze davtove naxevrad mZinare Svilebi da 23-saaTiani frenis Semdeg texasis StatSi, ostinSi amovyavi Tavi. im periodSi iseTi mZime ojaxuri mdgomareoba mqonda, rom meCqareboda gavclodi iqaurobas. amerikaSi pirvelive dRidan ise vgrZnobdi Tavs, rogorc sakuTar saxlSi. aranairi gaucxoeba ar mqonia. qorwilis Semdeg CrdiloeTisken wamovedi, aq meore bavSvobis megobari myavda da samuSaos moZebnis meti Sansi iyo. marTlac, sam dReSi daviwye muSaoba. inglisuris codna Zalian gamomadga. ramdenime gasaubrebis Semdeg ori bavSvis momvlelad daviwye muSaoba. am ojaxma absoluturad Secvala Cemi momavali, Tumca maSin azrzec ar viyavi, rom ase moxdeboda. maTTan 8 Tve vimuSave da saqarTveloSi ukan dabrunebamde 2 TviT adre gavicani Cemi axlandeli meuRle – devidi. am or TveSi devidma momatara niu-iorkis yvela muzeumi, jaz-klubi, kafe da quCa. es iyo Cemi cxovrebis ori saukeTeso Tve. es iyo qalaqi, sadac Tavs ise vgrZnobdi, rogorc sakuTar saxlSi, romelic absoluturad maTavisuflebda im CarCoebidan, sadac bavSvobidan cdilobdnen, gamovemwyvdie. qalaqi, sadac SegeZlo yofiliyavi Sen da mxolod Sen, sadac aravis ainteresebda Seni warsuli, sadac miyvarda quCebSi umisamarTod marto xetiali, eqscentruli adamianebis yureba, vaSington-skverSi mzis gulze gawola da quCis musikosebis mosmena, metropolitenis muzeumSi van gogis naxatebis win ganusazRvreli droiT dgoma. 16 wlis asakSi van gogis biografias vkiTxulobdi Cems patara oTaxSi, verc ki warmovidgendi, rom aseTi siurrealisturi momentebi iqneboda Cems cxovrebaSi.
– rodis dainteresdiT kulinariiT?
– ramdenadac maxsovs, kulinariiT jer kidev saqarTveloSi cxovrebis dros davinteresdi. amerikidan rom davbrundi, me da gogonebi calke vcxovrobdiT. SabaT-kviras miyvarda raRacebis keTeba da megobrebis gamaspinZleba. am periodSi aRmovaCine kulinariuli vebgverdi `perfeqt quqi~ da iq daviwye Cemi martivi receptebis wera. araferi gansakuTrebuli, rasac vakeTebdi, imis ambebs vyvebodi da recepts fotosTan erTad vtvirTavdi. ase gavicani Zalian kargi gogonebi: naTia minaSvili, Tea samadaSvili, nino fanjakaZe, nino jananaSvili, mariam WiWiaSvili. im dros azradac ar momsvlia, rom kulinariiT ase seriozulad davinteresdebodi, ubralod, verTobodi da Zalian momwonda. 5 wlis Semdeg me da gogonebi devidTan erTad sacxovreblad gadmovediT amerikaSi, koneqtikutis Statis patara qalaq rijfildSi. pirveli ori kvira devidi gvimzadebda grilze burgerebs, romelsac arc marili hqonda da arc pilpili, Sesabamisad – arafris gemo. ori kviris Semdeg, rogorc iqna, gavbede supermarketSi wasvla da ori saaTi vibodiale. zogadad, Zalian miyvars aqauri bazrebi da eTnikuri marketebi, SemiZlia saaTobiT viaro. im periodSi Zalian bevri ingredientis arsebobac ki ar vicodi, arc kerZebi. pirvelad rom SevediT meqsikur restoranSi da meniu gadavSale, veraferi gavige. azrze ar viyavi, ra iyo kasadia, tortia, enCilada. sabednierod, Zalian bevri dro mqonda imisTvis, rom meswavla. yvelaze metad kulinariuli Souebis yureba momwonda da iq naswavli kerZebis momzadeba. mere biblioTekas mivakiTxe, araCveulebrivi biblioTeka gvaqvs qalaqSi da Tuki rame wigni iyo kulinariaze, Sefebis avtobiografiiT dawyebuli, sxvadasxva qveynis receptebiT damTavrebuli, yvela wavikiTxe. vgrZnobdi, rogor mabednierebda saWmlis momzadeba, gansakuTrebiT – rame axlis, mere fotos gadaReba da amis Cemi megobrebisTvis gaziareba. male `kofi SofSi~ daviwye muSaoba baristad. yavis gakeTeba TiTqos martivia, magram aqac mTeli filosofiaa. imisaTvis, rom gemrieli finjani yava miawodo momxmarebels, yavis marcvlidan dawyebuli rZis aTqvefiT damTavrebuli, yvelaferi zedmiwevniT sworad unda gaakeTo. gansakuTrebiT momwonda, `late artis~ keTeba da roca dro mqonda, vmecadineobdi gulebisa da yvavilebis daxatvaze. am kafeSi ori weli vimuSave, meore wels – ukve menejerad. am dros gavasinje xaWapuri mepatroneebs da meniuSi SevitaneT. me TviTon vakeTebdi, sxvas ver vandobdi, radgan sworad momzadebis da ingredientebis garda, vTvli, rom sxva siyvaruls vdebdi mis momzadebaSi. amayi viyavi, rodesac iq mosuli momxmarebeli xaWapurs ukveTavda, kiTxvebs misvamda, Tu ra iyo es Znelad gamosaTqmeli sityva da mec dauRalavad vuxsnidi rac iyo, rogor keTdeboda, rom saqarTvelo ruseTi ar iyo, rom Cveni sakuTari anbani da damwerloba saukuneebis win gvqonda. ori wlis Semdeg gadavwyvite aqedan wasvla, radgan verc finansurad da verc karierulad ver ganvviTardebodi. faqtobrivad, yvelaferi gavakeTe, rac SemeZlo da Semdeg etapze unda gadavsuliyavi. jer kidev aq muSaobis periodSi Cemi kulinariuli vebgerdi gavakeTe -i, sadac vdebdi Cem mier momzadebul kerZebs Tavisi receptebiT. kerZebis momzadeba, fotoebis gadaReba, wera iyo da kvlavac aris Cemi sayvareli SemoqmedebiTi procesi. Cemi kompania davaregistrire da daviwye personalur Sefad muSaoba. es Zalian kargi modelia, radgan am SemTxvevaSi arc restornis gaxsnis xarjebs iReb da erT konkretul meniuze ar xar Cacikluli. momxmareblebis gemovnebidan da dieturi SezRudvebidan gamomdinare, am 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi bevri ram Seviswavle. qarTul samzareuloze orientirebuli ar var, Tumca xandaxan raRacas vakeTeb xolme. myavs ojaxi, romelsac TiTqmis yovel kvira vumzadeb tolmasa da nigvzian badrijans, yaliasa Tu xinkals. umetesad, Cem mier Seqmnil martiv, sasargeblo da msubuq kerZebs vamzadeb, es ufroa Cemi stili. ori wlis win Sevqmeni Cemi kulinariuli arxi iuTubze B, sadac kviraSi erTxel vtvirTav axal videorecepts. es yvelaferi inglisuradaa, aris qarTuli receptebic, romlebic aqaur ingredientebs aris morgebuli da gamartivebulia. ar meSinia cvlilebebis Setana, radgan vTvli, rom ama Tu im kerZis erTi konkretuli recepti ar arsebobs. yvela diasaxlisi Taviseburad akeTebda da iyenebda im ingredientebs, rac mis xelT iyo. ase iqmneboda qarTuli samzareulo.
– ra Tvisebebi gamoavlina TqvenSi kulinariam?
– albaT, SemoqmedebiTi. CemTvis es mxolod saWmlis rutinuli momzadeba araa, mTliani procesia, rac produqtis arCeviT iwyeba. ingredientebis xarisxs Zalian didi mniSvneloba aqvs. sabednierod, xeli mimiwvdeba saukeTeso produqtze, iqneba es bostneuli, xorci Tu Tevzi. qalaqSi aris bioferma, sadac zafxulobiT moxalised vmuSaob xolme, vexmarebi produqtebis krefasa da daxarisxebaSi. mohyavT saukeTeso da ugemrielesi pomidori, lobio, satacuri, salaTebi, xili. myavs fermeri megobari, romlisganac vyidulob saukeTeso xarisxis xorcs, kvercxs. aseve Tevzis momwodebeli, romelsac niu-iorkis Tevzis bazridan moaqvs axali da kargi xarisxis Tevzeuli. ramdenime wlis win fud fotografiiT davinteresdi da profesionalurad viswavle aparatis gamoyeneba-kompozicia, ferebi, ra da rogor unda gaakeTo, rom kerZi ufro ukeT gamoaCino. am etapze ufro am mimarTulebiT vcdilob ganvviTarde. anu, Cemi Semdegi nabiji iqneba videokontentis Seqmna, receptebis ganviTareba, fotografia.
– ra SesaZlebloba gaqvT ucxoeTSi qarTuli samzareulos axal safexurze asayvanad?
– simarTle giTxraT, mxolod is, rom Tu vinme dainteresdeba da survili eqneba, SemiZlia masterklasebi Cavutaro. da amas vakeTebdi kidec Cems qalaqSi, vatarebdi kerZo klasebs, sadac erTad vakeTebdiT aWarul xaWapurs, xinkals, qarTul popularul apetaizerebs.
– ar gifiqriaT amerikuli gamocdilebis saqarTveloSi gamoyenebasa da TanamemamuleebisTvis gaziarebaze?
– erTaderTi, rasac didi siamovnebiT gavuziarebdi da, vfiqrob, Zalian aqtualuri iqneba, aris gakveTilebi. ramdenime wlis win daviwye kerZo jgufebis Seqmna – rogorc didebis, aseve patarebis da swavleba. vTvli, rom saWmelebis momzadeba erT-erTi aucilebeli unaria, rac yvela adamians unda hqondes. es gakveTilebi iseTi warmatebuli iyo, rom adgilobrivma skolebma mimiwvies da sami wlis ganmavlobaSi, kviraSi erTxel vatarebdi bavSvebTan skolis kafeteriaSi. swored am mizniT Sevqmeni arxic, rom, pirvel rigSi, Cemi Svilebisa da mere sxvebisTvis gameziarebina martivad mosamzadebeli da sasargeblo kerZebi. CemTvis es Zalian mniSvnelovani proeqtia da danatovari. ase mgonia, wlebis mere, roca aRar viqnebi, Tuki iuTubi isev iarsebebs, momavali TaobisTvis me sul iq viqnebi. maqvs Zalian kargi programa Sedgenili bavSvebisTvis da Tu vinme dainteresdeba, siamovnebiT gavuziareb.
– romeli qarTuli kerZia amerikaSi yvelaze popularuli?
– xaWapurs veraferma ajoba.
– – ase hqvia Tqvens wigns, romelic ukve dabeWdilia. es aris wigni qarTveli qalis Sesaxeb, romelic kulinariis moyvarulebs qarTul samzareulosa da receptebs acnobs.
– es wigni Cemi mesame Svilia, ase aRviqvam. xelSi rom daviWire, SiSiT gadavSale, kidev erTxel CavikiTxe pirveli nawili (ambavi imisa, Tu rogor movxvdi rusTavis 21-e mikrodan amerikaSi mTeli Tavisi sevdian-mxiarul-bednieri istoriebiT), gadavxede fotoebs, romlebic zogi receptisTvis, sul cota, mesamed maqvs gadaRebuli, ambavs restoranSi 10-saaTiani muSaobis Semdeg gvianobamde rom vwerdi da romlis gamoc Cems Svilebs Adobe-s yvela programa vaswavle, rom indizainSi daeformatebinaT, guli bednierebiT da siamayiT SemekumSa da Tvalebic amiwylianda. wigni agvistoSi ukve aq meqneba da Cemi vebgverdis saSualebiT gavyidi. prezentacias, savaraudod, riCfildSic da niu-iorkSic movawyob.
– samSoblodan Sors myofs, ra gaRelvebT yvelaze metad, raze gwydebaT guli?
– maRelvebs saqarTveloSi arsebuli arastabiluri mdgomareoba, gauTavebeli protestebi, is, rom Zalian bevr Cems megobars da naTesavs kvlav Zalian uWirs da ar arian bednierebi. es yvelaferi Cemzec moqmedebs da xSirad bednierebis uflebas ver vaZlev sakuTar Tavs. bunebrivia, minda yvela kargad myavdes, Tavis sayvarel saqmes akeTebdes da Sesabamisi anazRaurebac hqondes.
– rCeva maTTvis, vinc dainteresebulia kulinariiT, magram ver bedavs nabijebis gadadgmas . . .
– mTeli Cemi istoria saukeTeso magaliTia imisa, rom arafers unda daelodo, rac ginda, rac mogwons, rac gabednierebs, is aucileblad unda gaakeTo da bolomde mihyve. swavlis da ganviTarebis procesia yvelaze saintereso. maxsovs, axali dawyebuli mqonda saqmianoba aq da naTesavma miTxra: ori instituti imitom daamTavre, rom `povrad~ imuSaoo? gamecina. misTvis es saamayo da dasafasebeli profesia ar iyo, is ver xvdeboda, rom imas vakeTebdi, rac miyvarda, mabednierebda da msiamovnebda. sabednierod, iseT qveyanaSi vcxovrob, sadac SemiZlia viswavlo da vakeTo is, rac momwons, rac SemiZlia, rac kargad gamomdis, sxva adamianebsac abednierebs da finansuradac makmayofilebs. roca sakuTar TavTan absolutur harmoniaSi xar, imas akeTeb, rac Senc gabednierebs da sxvebsac, CemTvis esaa warmateba. Tu yvela adamiani Tavis Tavs, Tavis saqmes ipovis da imas gaakeTebs, rac misia, yvelaferi kargad iqneba.
– rogoria Tqveni gegmebi?
– rijfildSi TerTmetwliani cxovrebis Semdeg, ramdenime TveSi am qalaqs vtoveb, niu-iorkSi gadavdivarT sacxovreblad. es, ra Tqma unda, radikalurad Secvlis Cemi cxovrebis wess da yoveldRiur rutinas – personalur Sefad aRar vimuSaveb. rogorc zemoT aRvniSne, ufro fud fotografia da kontentis Seqmna iqneba Cemi ZiriTadi saqmianoba. aseve, Zalian minda axali proeqti daviwyo. es iqneba qarTveli mkiTxvelisTvis – amerikuli receptebi Tavisi ambebiT da Cemi interpretaciiT. vnaxoT, ra gamova.