გიგა ფარტენაძე: საქართველო დღეს ბეწვის ხიდზე დგას…
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dasavleTis politikuri elita didi yuradRebiT adevnebs Tvals saqarTveloSi mimdinare movlenebs, maTTvis mniSvnelovania, Cvens qveyanaSi stabiluroba SenarCundes, demokratiuli procesebi Seuqcevadi iyos da qveyanam evropul kurss ar gadauxvios. am mxriv dasavleTma saqarTvelos araerTi daxmareba gauwia da uwevs, risi magaliTia Tundac Sarl miSelis dokumentze opoziciisa da mmarTveli partiis xelmowera. saqarTveloSi ganviTarebuli movlenebis fonze ismis kiTxva – ramdenad daazarala 5 ivlisis movlenebma saqarTvelos imiji dasavleTSi, civiluri Tu daZabuli saarCevno maraToni gvelis win, ra gziTaa SesaZlebeli mwvave sakiTxebis mogvareba? am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze gvesaubreba saqarTvelos teqnikuri universitetis doqtoranti, baTumis saxelmwifo universitetis leqtori giga fartenaZe.
– bolo dros ganviTarebul movlenebze visaubroT. TqvenTvis romeli sakiTxi iyo aqtualuri?
– qveyanaSi mimdinare politikur movlenebs Tu gadavavlebT Tvals, cxadia, gverds ver avuvliT iseT mniSnelovan procesebs, rogoricaa: pirveli – Sarl miSelis mier SemoTavazebuli dokumentis implementirebis sakiTxi, meore – is agresia da Zaladoba, romelic ganxorcielda mediis, Jurnalistebis da operatorebis mimarT, vgulisxmob 5 ivlisis movlenebs, mesame – leqso laSqaravas gardacvaleba da meoTxe – „baTumis saerTaSoriso konferencia“, sadac Cvens qveyanas kvlav ewvia prezidenti miSeli, ukrainis prezidenti vladimer zelenski da moldovis prezidenti maia sandu. unda aRiniSnos, rom 5 ivlisis procesebis Semdeg, am donis saerTaSoriso konferenciebis mowyoba Cvens qveyanaSi sasicocxlod mniSnelovania antidasavluri Rirebulebis mqone sazogadoebis sapasuxod.
– 5 ivlisis movlenebma ramdenad daazarala Cveni qveynis imiji dasavleTSi da ra moigo amiT ruseTma?
– obieqturobisTvis unda iTqvas, rom Cvenda samwuxarod, 5 ivlisis movlenebma sagrZnoblad daazarala Cveni qveynis imiji dasavleTSi da zogadad, mTels civilizebul samyaroSi. faqti, rom 53 Jurnalistia darbeuli, nacemi da dazianebuli, saSiS tendencias uqmnis safuZvels. am yvelafris kvaldakval ki Cveni saerTaSoriso da strategiuli partniorebi – briuselidan da vaSingtonidan mwvave gancxadebebs erTmaneTis miyolebiT avrcelebdnen procesebis dasagmobad da mouwodebdnen saxelmwifos, emoqmeda efeqturad adamianis uflebebis dacvis komponentSi. rac Seexeba ruseTis sakiTxs, faqtia, rac vixileT 5 ivliss, dawyebuli siZulvilis gancxadebebiT, sajarod sityvis mimarTviT, skandirebebiT, `alt-infos~ da zogadad, im e.w. mesijboqsiT, rac Zaladobrivi aqciis wevrebs axasiaTebdaT, pirdapirproporciul kavSirSi iyo ruseTis interesebTan. ismis kiTxva, rodis aris ruseTi mogebuli? swored maSin, rodesac qveynis SigniT iwyeba samoqalaqo dapirispireba, qarTveli qarTvels win aRudgeba Tavisi Sexedulebis gamo Tu profesiul saqmianobaSi Carevis mizniT. Tumca, ris gamoc unda iyos es, faqtia mniSnelovani da sagangaSo, ruseTma da samwuxarod maTTan daaxloebulma qarTulma jgufebma, SeZles da moaxerxes Cveni qveynis sazogadoebis orad gayofa, rac mxolod da mxolod ruseTis interesebs emsaxureba.
– dasavleTidan SeniSvnebi da kritika matulobs, ramdenad daazaralebs dasavleTis ignorireba saqarTvelos evroatlantikur kurss?
– saqarTvelo dRes dgas bewvis xidze. samwuxarod, zemoT aRniSnulma movlenebma Cveni qveyena dasavleTisken mimaval gzaze daabrkola da manZili, romelic gvaSorebda srulfasovan dasavlur ojaxSi wevrobas, ufro gazarda, pozitiuri molodinebis nacvlad, pesimizmSi gadaiyvana procesebi. Aai, swored es aris is, risi miRwevac surs ruseTs da Cvenda samwuxarod, 5 ivliss maT es gamouvidaT. es iyo mizanmimarTuli, ZalmomreobiTi, winaswar dagegmili, konkretul Sedegebze gasasvleli – antidasavluri ganwyobebis provocirebis kampaniuri xasiaTis Sturmi saqarTvelos sagareo interesis da adamianis ZiriTadi uflebebis mimarTulebiT. qveyanaSi, sadac efeqturad ver xerxdeba sityvis da gamoxatvis Tavisuflebis dacva, antidasavluri qmedebebis provocireba (Tundac evrokavSiris droSis dawva), rbilad rom vTqvaT, imaze metad daazaralebs da Seaferxebs dasavleTizaciisken mimaval gzaze, vidre es warmogvidgenia. Tumca optimizms is aCens, rom saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis umravlesobis mkveTri da gamoxatuli poziciaa dasavluri ojaxis wevroba qarTuli da dasavluri Rirebulebebis SerwymiT da amas kargad afaseben Cveni partniorebic.
– eqspertebi alaparakdnen sanqciebze. Tqveni azri amis Taobaze?
– Sarl miSelis 19 aprilis SeTanxmebis erT-erTi sakvanZo sakiTxi, romelic uzenaesi sasamarTlos mosamarTleTa uvadod daniSvnis procesis SeCerebas exeboda, aRvivebs mosazrebas, rom dasavleTma swored am procesis ugulvebelyofisTvis „sanqcia“ dauwesos konkretul pirebs. informaciuli qaosi da mosaxleobis azrze manipulireba, miT ufro maSin, rodesac TeTriT Savze martivad amoikiTxeba ras gulisxmobs miSelis SeTanxmebis es punqti da politikosebis mier interpretirebuli, gansxvavebuli gancxadebebi, ormagad zrdis e.w. sanqciis gamoyenebis albaTobas.
– cxadia, aranakleb mniSvnelovania moaxloebuli arCevnebi, romelsac, savaraudod, dasavleTi gamadidebeli SuSiT daakvirdeba, anu es arCevnebi ramdenad mniSvnelovani iqneba dasavleTTan dasaaxloeblad?
– moaxloebul adgilobriv TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebs SeuZlia qveyana gadaiyvanos Tvisobrivad axali gamowvevebis da SesaZleblobebis mqone relsebze. TavisTavad 43 %-ian zRurbls Zalian didi mniSneloba eniWeba da swored am e.w. bariers Seswevs unari, qveyanaSi axali procesebis provocirebas Cauyaros safuZveli. 2022 wels Tu dainiSneba vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebi, rac bolo periodSi ganviTarebulma movlenebma cxadyo, rom es realisturia, opozicuri warmomadgenloba ufro gaizrdeba qveynis sakanonmdeblo organoSi da Sesabamisad, ZalTa balansi sxvagvarad gadanawildeba. am process SeuZlia mTavrobis, ufro zustad ki koaliciuri mTavrobis Camoyalibebis procesSi gardamtexi roli Seasrulos, aseve, dasavleTTan dasaaxloeblad da im reputaciis gamosasworeblad, rac qveyanas bolo movlenebma miayena da pozitiur dRis wesrigSi daabrunos Cveni qveynis evroatlantikuri kursisken mimavali gza.
– dRes politikur velze mTavari aqtorebi – mmarTveli partia da `nacmoZraobaa~, orpolusiani Tu mravalpolusiani arCevnebi gvelodeba?
– qveyanaSi bolo dros ganviTarebulma movlenebma cxadyo, rom wina arCevnebTan SedarebiT: pirveli, opoziciurad ganwyobili eloqtorati gaizarda da aq ver gamovyof mxolod ,,nacionaluri moZraobis’’ mxardamWerebs. meore, axladSeqmnilma partiam „saqarTvelosTvis’’, `ocnebis~ (garkveuli nawili) da neitralurad ganwyobili eleqtorati Tavis irgvliv Semoikriba. saxelisuflebo partiaze SeiZleba vTqvaT, rom kadrebis gadinebis dinamika ufro SeiniSneba, vidre piriqiT, rekrutireba, ramac logikurad gaaCina gancda, rom ara orpolusianoba, aramed minimum, ramodenime politikur Zalas eqneba pozicionirebis SesaZlebloba. Aase rom, vfiqrob, mravalpolusian arCevnebs unda velodoT.
– es arCevnebi garkveulwilad, referendumis saxes atarebs. SeZlebs opozicia jamSi 58 procentis aRebas da am mxriv ra minusebi da plusebi ikveTeba opoziciur flangze?
– rogorc avRniSne, Sansebi da albaToba imisa, rom vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebi CainiSnos, namdvilad maRalia. faqtobrivad, 2 Tve gvaSorebs arCevnebs da Cven ver vxedavT verc erTi politikuri partiis saarCevno kampanias, bunebrivia, amas aqvs Tavisi logikuri axsnac, elodebian prezidentis gancxadebas saarCevno kampaniis gamocxadebasTan dakavSirebiT. Tumca, miuxedavad amisa, faqtobrivad, Cveni politikuri veli gadavida ara grZelvadiani strategiis da gegmis SemuSavebaze, aramed qveyanaSi Seqmnili da permanentulad ganviTarebuli movlenebis irgvliv agebuli kampaniis warmarTvaze. politikuri partiebis saarCevno kampania metwilad aigeba bolodroindel movlenebze. Aamdenad, sazogadoebas mwire informacia eqneba, momdevno 4 wlis ganmavlobaSi ekonomikuri, socialuri Tu politikuri procesebis dagegmva- ganxorcielebis kuTxiT.
– imis nacvlad rom opoziciam koordinirebulad imoqmedos, urTierTbraldebebiT aris dakavebuli, magaliTad, Salva naTelaSvili abbobs, rom opoziciam Secdoma dauSva, rodesac Sarl miSelis dokumentze xeli moawera. realurad ra misca am SeTanxmebam Cvens qveyanas?
– mocemuli SeTanxmebis mizani gaxldaT is, rom misi srulad Sesrulebis SemTxvevaSi, Cven qveyanaSi dasruldeboda politikuri krizisi da saqarTvelos saerTaSoriso reputacia-imiji dasavleTSi, minimum daubrundeboda im mocemulobas mainc, sadac am krizisis Seqmnamde imyofeboda. ra miviReT? SeTanxmebas dResac ar uerTdeba naTelaSvilisa da bokerias partiebi, xolo `qarTuli ocneba~, romlis mimarTac araerTi kritikuli gancxadeba ismis briuselidan da vaSingtonidan, konkretulad, mosamarTleTa SerCevis wesTan dakavSirebiT. Sedegad miviReT is, rom dasavleTi alaparakda sanqciebze. amiT zaraldeba Cveni qveynis saerTaSoriso imiji.
– ucnauri, magram faqtia, rom aqtiuri saarCevno maraToni ar mimdinareobs, es vis wisqvilze asxams wyals da am mxriv ratom pasiurobs opozicia?
– qveyanaSi imdenad swrafad da moulodnlad viTardeba politikuri procesebi, rom masSi CarTuli politikuri partiebi, ukve iribad arian CarTulni saarCevno maraTonSi. axla vinc adekvaturi da Tanmimdevrulia am procesebSi, oqtombris arCevnebze proporciulad aesaxeba pirad balansze.
– yvela aRiarebs, rom qveyanaSi feTqebasaSiSi mdgomareobaa, arasaxarbielo ekonomikuri mdgomareoba, arastabiluri politikuri garemo, okupirebuli teritoriebi, rasac emateba politikosTa Soris gamefebuli siZulvili. . . am faqtorebs ramdenad sazianod iyenebs ruseTi saqarTvelos mimarT?
– calsaxaa, rom swored am Sedegis mTavar mizezad ruseTis hibriduli omi da masTan dakavSirebuli procesebia yuradsaRebi. ruseTis strategia naTelia – daapirispiros erTmaneTs Cveni qveynis mosaxleoba, CaaxSos da daaSinos damoukidebeli media, Seqmnas antidasavluri ganwyoba, xeli Seuwyos da waaxalisos agresiul, ultranacionalistur ideebs amofarebuli, siZulvilis eniT gamorCeuli dajgufebebi, rac samwuxarod, kargad moqmedebs.
– saqarTveloSi Semodgoma yovelTvis rTuli iyo xelisuflebisTvis. ras unda velodoT?
– xelisufleba dgas urTulesi arCevnebis pirispir, amas emateba politikurad Wreli da alternativebiT daxunZluli partiebis arseboba. maT muSaobasa da sworad dagegmil kampaniazea damokidebuli, ramdenad moipoveben vadamdel saparlamento arCevnebs, rac, Cveni qveynisTvis axali gamowvevebis periodad SeiZleba ganvsazRroT.
– dabolos, romeli problemis gadawyveta migaCniaT Tanamedrove pirobebSi yvelaze saSurad?
– qveyanaSi erTi gamokveTili problemis mogvareba warmoudgenlad mimaCnia manam, sanam ar gveqneba stabiluri saSinao politika, sanam politikuri krizisi ar aRmoifxvreba, saubari ekonomikur, socialur Tu politikur miRwevebze sul mcire, araseriozulia. politikur partiebs, xelisuflebas Tu opozicias marTebs meti pasuxismgeblobiT moekidos sazogadoebis saWiroebebs da amis Semdeg, Tanmimdevruli da gegmazomieri nabijebiT, uwyveti da Seuqcevadi kursi gaagrZelos dasavluri, civilizirebuli samyaros ojaxisaken.
