,,ძალოვანი უწყებები და პორტფელები არ უნდა დაიკავონ არც ,,ნაცმოძრაობის” და არც სხვა პარტიის წარმომადგენლებმა”
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partiis `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ Tavmjdomare mamuka xazaraZe acxadebs, rom `qveyanaSi Seqmnili mZime viTarebidan gamomdinare, saWiroa, ukve dRes, opoziciurma Zalebma gadadgan qmediTi nabijebi didi koaliciis Sesaqmnelad. saWiroa daiwyos konsultaciebi Crdilovani koaliciuri mTavrobis formirebaze da premierobis kandidatze. dResvea saWiro SeTanxmeba, rom `nacionaluri moZraobis” mxridan Zalovani ministrebi ar iqnebian wardgenilebi momaval mTavrobaSi, isini unda iyvnen profesionalebi samoqalaqo sazogadoebidan.~ xazaraZes miaCnia, rom Tu opozicia am pirobebze SeTanxmdeba, SesaZlebeli iqneba `qarTuli ocnebis~ xelisuflebis Secvla.
Crdilovan kabinetze, politikur sakiTxebsa da Jurnalistebis darbevaze saubrobs `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ politsabWos wevri irakli kupraZe.
– Crdilovani mTavrobis Camoyalibeba aris evropuli gza. moqalaqeebma winaswar unda icodnen, opoziciis gamarjvebis SemTxvevaSi romel saministros romeli konkretuli partia da piri Caibarebs. es daexmareba amomrCevlebs, gansazRvron mosalodneli pozitiuri Sedegebi da Tavis mxriv, partiebs hqondeT sicxade samomavlo koaliciur mTavrobaSi.
– ratom ambobT uars `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobisTvis~ Zalovani struqturebis Cabarebaze, amiT xom ar gaanawyenebT `TanamebrZolebs~?
– iniciativa, romlis mixedviTac Zalovani uwyebebi ar unda Caibaron arc `nacmoZraobis~ da arc sxva partiebis warmomadgenlebma, Zalian mniSvnelovania. aucilebelia, gaqres am sakvanZo saministroebSi partiuli interesiT marTvis SiSi. `lelos~ iniciativaa, rom Zalovani uwyebebi Cabardes samoqalaqo an profesiuli sferoebidan gamorCeul da miukerZoebel kandidatebs, romlebic isargebleben maqsimaluri sandoobiT da gaaCenen miukerZoebeli gadawyvetilebebisa da marTvis gancdas. imedi maqvs, am iniciativas yvela sxva opoziciuri partia Tamamad gaiziarebs.
– Tu SeiZleba, SeafaseT am bolos ganviTarebuli yvelaze skandaluri da tragikuli movlenebi.
– 5 ivlisi CemTvis iyo umZimesi Zaladobis dRe, romelic waaxalisa saqarTvelos mTavrobam, gasca moZaladeebze indulgencia. maT amoZravebdaT dausjelobis sindromi da kargad icodnen, rom rac unda CaedinaT im dRes, gauvidodaT, anu apatiebdnen. Sedegad miviReT daSavebuli Jurnalistebi da mokluli operatori leqso laSqarava.
– rogorc xelisufleba acxadebs, damnaSaveebi daWerili arian. . .
– es mxolod mas Semdeg moxda, rac sazogadoebis da Jurnalistebis protestma aiZula mTavroba, aemoqmedebina samarTaldamcvelebi, daekavebinaT moZaladeTa nawili da minimalurad mainc daesajaT kadrSi moxvedrili yvelaze gamorCeuli damnaSaveebi. yvelas daWera ratomRac ver moxerxda, radgan Zalian kargad icodnen, vin unda daeWiraT. am moZraobis sulisCamdgmelebi da liderebi, romlebsac gahyvnen moZaladeebi, dRemde ar daukavebiaT.
– raSi sWirdeboda mTavrobas Jurnalistebze Zaladoba, Tanac isic gaiTvaliswineT, rom arc erTi sxva moqalaqe ar dazianebula.
– amiT mTavrobam sazogadoebis polarizeba moawyo, isic gaixseneT, rom samTavrobo xazis gamtarebeli arc erTi mediis warmomadgeneli ar dazaralebula. gailaxnen is Jurnalistebi, romlebic opozicias uWerdnen mxars lgbt Temis dacvaSi.
– Tqven gindaT TqvaT, rom lgbt Tems opozicia icavs?
– diax, iseve, rogorc sxva umciresobebs. es ar mimaCnia Rirsebis Selaxvad, pirovnul dakninebas swored is Savrazmelebi ganicdian, romlebic RaribaSvilis mxardaWeriT sargeblobdnen da monawileobdnen darbevaSi. opozicia icavs konstituciiT dadgenil normebs, miaCnia, rom saqarTveloSi ar unda Seilaxos adamianis uflebebi da Tavisufleba. aqve minda aRvniSno, rom es kunTmagari biWebi, romlebic TiTqos ers da `qarTvelobas~ icaven, daerivnen patara, sust gogonebs, Jurnalistebs da wixlebi urtyes. esaa qarTveloba da vaJkacoba? mxolod amitomac unda daisajon, rom araferi vTqvaT presis xelSeuxeblobaze informaciis mopovebis procesSi. ase rom, maTi qarTveloba aris miuRebloba, tolerantobaze uaris Tqma, uRirsi qceva, Zaladoba da yvelaze didi antiqarTuli saqme, rac SeiZleba Caidinos qarTvelma.
– …da ra daamtkica amiT mTavrobam?
– am polarizebiT aCvena saqarTvelos, TiTqos icaven tradiciebs da mxars ar uWeren lgbt Tems, romelic qarTveli xalxis sindisze Sav laqad miaCniaT. albaT, qulebis dawera surdaT winasaarCevnod, Tumca, absoluturad sawinaaRmdego Sedegi miiRes. Jurnalistebs rac Seexeba, Wkua aswavles opoziciur, obieqtur da marTal medias. mxolod opoziciuri mediis warmomadgenlebi gailaxa: `formula~, `mTavari arxi~, `tv pirveli~ da sxv. `imedis~ da `maestros~ mimarT Zaladoba ar dafiqsirebula.
– am Zaladobis Sedegs Tu gadavxedavT, arc lgbt Temis warmomadgenlebi dazaralebulan, mxolod Jurnalistebs daamtvries Tav-piri da daxies evrokavSiris droSa. eqspertebis mtkicebiT, es ruseTis xelweraa, romelsac surda, gamoewvia dasavleTis risxva, ris Sedegadac, saqarTvelos Tavad etyoda uars evrokavSirSi Seyvanaze.
– diax, es Zaladoba ar exeboda mxolod azrTa da mentalur gansxvavebas. es iyo erTiani Seteva dasavlur kursze. kargad gamoCnda, rom aq trialebdnen prorusuli jgufebi calsaxad gamoxatuli poziciiT – dasavleTis kritika. am etapze, sazogadoebis mTavari amocana unda iyos am jgufebis qmedebis sworad Sefaseba, maTTvis saxelis darqmeva. xelisuflebam unda moiZios informacia, vin afinansebda da vin waaxalisa isini. ukve eWvi aRar mepareba, Tuki erTad viqnebiT da ar davTmobT, am adamianebs mouwevT pasuxisgeba. rac mTavaria, gasamarTlebis procesi unda warimarTos gamWvirvaled.
– ras ityviT opoziciis mier parlamentSi mowyobil performansze?
– es iyo protesti, romelic, Cemi azriT, kidev ufro gamZafrebulad unda ganexorcielebinaT. roca Tavze gaxeven konstitucias, rodesac Seuracxgyofen rogorc moqalaqes, rodesac ruseTis mier dafinansebuli mcire prorusuli jgufebis meSveobiT ugulebelyofen Sens dasavlur kurss, romelsac referendumze mosaxleobis 80%-ma dauWira mxari, erTiRa dagvrCenia, winaaRmdegoba gamovxatoT rogorc gareT – parlamentTan, ise SigniT da es winaaRmdegoba unda iyos xisti da principuli.
– protestis miuxedavad, mTavroba Tavs ar Tvlis damnaSaved da ar apirebs gadadgomas.
– CemTvis calsaxaa, rom Jurnalistebis darbeva mxolod repeticia iyo TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebis win. maT SavrazmelTa Zalis demonstrireba moawyves. amaze metyvelebs Tundac is faqti, rogor daangries parlamentis win karvebi da rogor Camoxies evrokavSiris droSa. amiT aRiares, rom prorusul moZaladeTa jgufebs Tavad afinanseben da xels uwyoben evropis sawinaaRmdego kursis ganviTarebaSi. CemTvis es niSnavs adamianebis antisaxelmwifoebriv, moRalateobriv erTobas, romelic naTelyofs, rom ar arian am qveynis ganviTarebasa da gadarCenaze orientirebulni.
– opozicia eloda Sarl miSelis vizits, Tumca mas mZafri protesti ar gamouxatavs da arc xelisuflebis sawinaaRmdego sanqciebi gauxmovanebia.
– miSelisgan mxardaWera ar ugrZvnia arc erT mxares, Tumca dasavleTis ganwyoba da saerTaSoriso Sefasebebi Zalian kargad gadmosces aSS-is elCma, saxelmwifo departamentis xelmZRvanelma, sagareo komitetis Tavmjdomarem. aseve, dafiqsirda evrokavSiris 26 qveynis sagareo saqmeTa saministros warmomadgenelTa umwvavesi Sefasebebi. minda giTxraT, rom msgavsi simwvavis gancxadebebi, ase erTiani kaskadiT, arasodes yofila mimarTuli qarTuli saxelmwifos mimarT. es aris samwuxaro faqti, radgan ar exeba mxolod `qarTul ocnebas~, aq Seilaxa saqarTvelos saerTaSoriso avtoriteti dasavleTis wamyvani qveynebis oficiozis TvalSi. erTaderTi gamosavali darCa `ocnebas~, unda CamoSordes mmarTvel poziciebs, Cven ki unda daviwyoT muSaoba maT mier Selaxuli saerTaSoriso avtoritetis kvlav mopovebisTvis. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, ruseTis mudmiv tyveobaSi aRmovCndebiT. is, rac movismineT Sarl miSelis da dasavleTis oficiozis gancxadebebis saxiT, diplomatiur enaze, niSnavs ginebas. sxvas verafers izamdnen, radgan maSin unda gamosuliyvnen da eRiarebinaT, rom saqarTveloSi avtoritarizmi Zlierdeba.
– Tuki asea, ratom ar Tqves? evropa ar erideba msgavs iarliyebs, Tu amis aucilebloba arsebobs.
– am etapze Tavi Seikaves, radgan miaCniaT, rom jer kidev aris am qveyanaSi potenciali. rogorc mokavSireebi, CvenSi xedaven momavals da ase mZimed ar moaxdenen situaciis kvalificirebas.
– arCevnebamde Tu apirebs opozicia quCis aqciebis gagrZelebas?
– amaze jer araferi Tqmula. opozicia gulwrfelad cdilobs, arCevnebamde raime tipis SeTanxmebamde mainc mivides. am etapze, mTeli Zalisxmeva aqeTkenaa mimarTuli. Crdilovani mTavrobis Camoyalibebis ideac amitom SeimuSava Cvenma partiam.
– wina arCevnebze Tqven gacilebiT meti xmis miRebas varaudobdiT, rac ar gamarTlda. axla ramdenad gaqvT amis Sansi?
– darwmunebuli var, opozicia jamurad aiRebs `ocnebaze~ met xmas, Tumca mTavrobis Camosayalibeblad proporciuli gadanawileba moxdeba, Tu – procentuli, amis prognozireba am etapze SeuZlebelia. rac Segvexeba Cven – `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~, yoveldRiur formatSi apirebs brZolas qveynis masStabiT. ukve davafuZneT raionuli organizaciebi `qvemodan – zemoT~ pricipiT, rodesac adgilobrivi wevrebi akompleqteben sakuTar gundebs. danarCeni damokidebulia Cvens Zalisxmevasa da sazogadoebis aqtiurobaze.
– Tqveni azriT, gaxarias politikur avanscenaze gamoCena ra procentuli maCveneblebiT aisaxeba kenWisyris saboloo Sedegebze?
– mTavari isaa, rom gaxaria aucileblad daazianebs `qarTul ocnebas~ da SesaZloa, es biZina ivaniSvilTan SeTanxmebuli procesic ki iyos. amis iqiT, prognozis gakeTeba ar mgonia swori, miT umetes, rom politikuri situacia yoveldRe icvleba. rogorc wesi, am dros bevri bneli saqme, danaSauli amotivtivdeba qarTul politikur velze, romelic ama Tu im partiis namdvil mizans warmoaCens. yvela mixvdeba, vin vin aris. aqedan gamomdinare, vfiqrob, gaxaria arc ise Zlieri poziciebiT warsdgeba arCevnebze.
– politologebi Tvlian, rom patar-patara partiebma `qarTul ocnebasTan~ SesakavSirebeli gzebi unda eZion, radgan enm Tu gavida, maT saerTod ar darCebaT sakanonmdeblo organoSi Tavis damkvidrebis Sansi.
– amaTSi `lelos~ Tu gulisxmobT, getyviT, rom Cven gamovricxavT Tundac raime tipis TanamSromlobas `qarTul ocnebasTn~. nebismieri SeTanxmebis miRweva mxolod mniSvnelovan saxelmwifo saqmeebSia SesaZlebeli, vgulisxmob sagareo Tu ekonomikuri kursis gatarebas. Tematuri TanamSromloba nebismier partiasTanaa SesaZlebeli. rogorc vici, amave azrs iziareben sxva mcire Tu didi, axali Tu Zveli partiebic.