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politikur velze daZabuloba kidev ufro gaamZafra `qarTuli ocnebis~ moulodnelma gancxadebam Sarl miSelis SeTanxmebis umTavresi punqtis darRvevasTan dakavSirebiT. mmarTvelma partiam gadawyvita, moexsna pasuxismgebloba vadamdel arCevnebze, romelic unda daeniSna, Tuki TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze 43%-ian bariers ver gadalaxavda
cxadia, am nabijs aravin eloda da sakmaod mkveTri gancxadebebic gakeTda opoziciis warmomadgenelTa mxridan, romlebic imdenad iyvnen darwmunebuli gamarjvebaSi, koaliciur mTavrobebsac ki ayalibebdnen.
fraqciis `lelo – partnioroba saqarTvelosTvis~ gancxadebiT, Tu `qarTuli ocneba~ Sarl miSelis SeTanxmebis Tanaxmad, TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze 43%-ze naklebis miRebis SemTxvevaSi vadamdel arCevnebs ar daniSnavs, fraqciis wevrebi parlaments datoveben: `vacxadebT, rom Tu Sarl miSelis dokumentiT gaTvaliswinebuli Sedegis dadgomis Semdeg mmarTveli partia mainc Seecdeba, Tavi aaridos srulad proporciuli vadamdeli arCevnebis daniSvnas, Cveni fraqcis wevrebi davtovebT parlaments. darwmunebulni varT, es iqneba sruliad opoziciis gadawyvetilebac da vadamdeli arCevnebisken gadadgmuli gadamwyveti nabiji. 2020 wlis noembrisgan gansxvavebiT, amjerad mosaxleobis udidesi umravlesobis moTxovnis Sesrulebas uzrunvelyofs Sarl miSelis SeTanxmebis erTguli saerTaSoriso sazogadoebis aseve mkafio mxardaWera. aseTi calsaxa da erTsulovani saSinao da saerTaSoriso zewolis qveS moqceuli politikur-samarTlebrivi legitimaciis problemis mqone erTpartiuli parlamenti aucileblad daiSleba da dainiSneba vadamdeli arCevnebi~.
`lelo – partnioroba saqarTvelosTvis~ miiCnevs, rom opoziciam Tu axlave ar gamoacxada parlamentis datovebis mzaoba, sazogadoebaSi saTanado motivacia ar iqneba, xolo dasavleli partniorebis nawilma SeiZleba CaTvalos, rom mmarTveli partia `Tavisas gaitans~.
`dRes aris brZola ara mxolod merobis da sakrebulos TavmjdomareobisTvis, ara mxolod vadamdeli arCevnebisTvis, aramed dRes aris brZola ruseTis orbitaze qveynis uvadod dabrunebis mcdelobis winaaRmdeg, amitom migvaCnia, rom dRes yvela evroatlantikuri sagareo politikuri kursis mxardamWeri opoziciuri politikuri Zala miSelis dokumentiT gaTvaliswinebuli amocanebis garSemo unda gaerTiandes. am xelSekrulebam gza gauxsna qveyanaSi xelisuflebis demokratiuli arCevnebiT Secvlas da Cvens evropul momavals. SeTanxmebis Sesrulebaze uari Cveni evropuli arCevanis uaryofaa Sesabamisi politikuri SedegebiT~, – naTqvamia partiis gancxadebaSi.
aRsaniSnavia isic, rom 28 ivliss Sarl miSelis SeTanxmebis anulirebulad gamocxadebiT `ocnebam~ opozicia daadanaSaula. rogorc xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebma Tqves, valdebulebebis Sesruleba maT `keTil nebaze~ iqneba damokidebuli, rac niSnavs, rom 43%-is miuRwevlobis SemTxvevaSi, mmarTveli gundi uars ambobs, daTanxmdes vadamdeli arCevnebis Catarebas, rac SeTanxmebaze xelmomweri opoziciuri partiebisTvis mTavari motivacia iyo.
SeTanxmebis anulirebis Semdeg `girCi – meti Tavisuflebis~ liderma zurab jafariZem ganacxada, rom is parlaments datovebs, vinaidan `ar arsebobs SeTanxmeba – ar arsebobs valdebulebebi~, boikotis dasrulebasa da opoziciis parlamentSi Sesvlas ki swored es SeTanxmeba iTvaliswinebda.
`erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ Tavmjdomare nika meliamac datova saparlamento mandati, vinaidan, rogorc aRiniSna, srulad iqneba gadarTuli TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze. is opoziciis nawilis merobis saerTo kandidatia, Tumca misi `principuli TxovniT~, enm-is wevrebi parlamentSi `formalurad~ darCebian. rac Seexeba `lelos~, badri jafariZis ganmartebiT, partia parlamentSi yofnas gaagrZelebs. parlamentSi rCeba `strategia aRmaSenebelic~.
`ocnebis~ mier SeTanxmebis anulirebas dasavleli partniorebis kritika mohyva. senatis operatiuli jgufis SefasebiT, saqarTveloSi ganviTarebuli movlenebi reformebis Zalisxmevas Zirs uTxris, qveynis demokratiis marcxiT ki mxolod kremli isargeblebs. senator riSis TqmiT, SeTanxmebis datoveba xelisuflebis pasuxismgeblobaze uaris Tqmaa: `ocnebas~ mxolod sakuTari momavali aRelvebs da ara – qveynis~.
devid krameri wers: evrokavSiri Tavs Seuracxyofilad unda grZnobdes, `rom molaparakebebze dro dakarga~, saxelmwifo departamentis presspikeris ned praisis gancxadebiT ki, SeTanxmebidan `ocnebis~ gasvla reformebiT winsvlas Zirs uTxris.
Tavad evropuli sabWos prezidentma Sarl miSelma `ocnebis~ mier SeTanxmebis anulirebasTan dakavSirebiT gancxadeba 29 ivliss gaavrcela, sadac aRniSnulia, rom qarTvel politikosebTan konsultaciebs iwyebs. evropuli sabWos prezidenti wers, rom 19 aprilis SeTanxmeba saukeTeso gzaa reformebis gatarebisTvis da partiebs mouwodebs, win daayenon moqalaqeTa interesebi.
am sakiTxze gTavazobT intervius `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ baTumis organizaciis xelmZRvanel geno TebiZesTan.
– saqarTveloSi aSS-is yofil elC uiliam kortnis gancxadebiT: `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ rac ufro didxans rCeboda xelisuflebaSi, miT ufro avtoritaruli xdeboda. axla asea `qarTuli ocnebac~. mudmivad xarvezebiT Catarebulma arCevnebma kidev ufro Searyia saqarTvelos demokratia~. . .
– es ar aris mxolod uiliam kortnis azri, es aris sruliad aSS-is damokidebuleba postsabWoTa qveynebis mimarT. daakvirdiT: im postsabWoTa qveynebSi, sadac mesame, meoTxe, mexuTe da meti vadiT arian arCeulni xelisuflebaSi, avtoritarizmia, diqtaturisken gadadgmuli nabijebia. xelisuflebaSi yofna ar unda iqces tkbobis nawilad, es aris mudmivi pasuxismgebloba, keTilsindisiereba. rac mTavaria, qveyanaSi unda arsebobdes erTaderTi – saxelmwifo sistema da ara partiul-pirovnulze agebuli, iseTi, rogoric dRevandelia.
– saqarTveloSi amis precedenti aris?
– aris, Tanac Zalian axlo warsulSi. gaixseneT: 2012 wels `nacionaluri moZraoba~ gadavida opoziciaSi miuxedavad imisa, rom gaaCnda xelisuflebaSi yofnis macdunebeli survili. rom moendomebina, gayalbebasac SeZlebda. maSin es ar gaakeTes, icodnen, es nabiji STanTqavda demokratias, amitom maTi mxridan opoziciaSi gadasvla magaliTi unda iyos imaTTvis, vinc wlebia, sazogadoebas `nacionalebis~ dabrunebiT aSinebs. aSkaraa, isini gacilebiT did diqtatorebad da antisaxelmwifoebrivad moazrovne xelisuflebad Camoyalibdnen. vurCevdi, nu keklucoben, ifiqron qveynis keTildReobasa da momavalze isev da isev Cveni da maTi SvilebisaTvis.
– rogor fiqrobT, ratom gadawyvita `ocnebam~ miSelis dokumentiT gaTvaliswinebul SeTanxmebaze uaris Tqma, SeSinda, rom ver gadalaxavda 43%-ian bariers da vadamdeli arCevnebis daniSvna mouwevda?
– is, rom `ocneba~ seriozul kriziss ganicdis, axali araa. Cvenda samwuxarod, Sida procesebis garda, sagareo politikac areulia da mis dalagebas wlebi dasWirdeba. imdeni moaxerxes, biZina ivaniSvilis davaleba srulad da pirnaTlad Seasrules – dasavleTis interesi Seasustes da ruseTs dagvaaxloves. isini, vinc dRes erTmorwmune ruseTTan enas iCleqen, CemTvis saqarTvelos yvelaze didi moRalateebi arian. me minda ganviTarebuli, ekonomikurad Zlieri, mSvidobiani, Tavisufali da samarTliani, myarad moqmedi saxelmwifo, romelic ar iqneba isev vinmes gubernia da Tavad gadawyvets sakuTar beds, momavals! saSinelebaa, uyurebde gajiutebul xelisuflebas, romelic ukve meramdened msoflios winaSe fics debs da Semdeg, sakuTar moqalaqeebTan erTad, 27 evropul saxelmwifos da aSS-s erTad `agdebs~! vin unda daujdes am jambazebs samomavlod da saxelmwifoebriv doneze esaubros?! ara mgonia, romelime Tavmoyvare saxelmwifos lideri am gadamgdeb, Jurnalistebze monadire, ruseTTan Semguebel da demokratiis mkvlel xelisuflebasTan raime Temebze dajdes da seriozulad isaubros. samwuxarod, mesame klasis saxelmwifoebs dagvaaxloves da civilizacias mogvwyvites. albaT, imaTi imedi aqvT, Torem iseT arCevnebs Caatarebdnen, rom am pandemiis dros riskze ar gauSvebdnen sakuTar moqalaqeebs. faqtobrivad, sasikvdilod gaimeta Tavisi axirebis gamo aTi aTasobiT moqalaqe xelisuflebam, roca iZulebuli gaxada, protestis ukiduresi formisTvis miemarTa da eqvsi Tve siciveSi, yinvaSi, kovidis mesame talRis dros, quCaSi gamosuliyo.
– `ocnebis~ liderebi amtkiceben, rom ueWvelad aiReben 43-s ki ara, 55%-sac ki. maS, ratom daixies ukan?
– mSiSrebi arian da ician, rom finansuri da saxelisuflebo resursis miuxedavad, ormoc procents ver uaxlovdebian. gaRatakebulebi arian, maTive kvlevebiT ician da amitomac daixies samarcxvinod ukan, ramac, Sarl miSelis garda, sruliad samyaro SeaSfoTa.
– diax, saerTaSoriso Sefasebebi araerTgvarovania. aSS gabrazebulia, Sarl miSeli ki did aRelvebas ar gamoxatavs. rogor axsniT am urTierTsawinaaRmdego ganwyobebs?
– aSS-ma araerTxel daamtkica, rom aris am qveynis yvelaze axlo megobari qveyana. rom Sexeda, ra dReSi varT vaqcinaciis kuTxiT, daiRala amaTi uniaTobiT da Cveni qveynis moqalaqeebisTvis `faizeris~ 500 aTasi doza vaqcina gvaCuqa. yvelam kargad viciT, rom Cvens qveyanas imdeni daxmareba aravisgan miuRia, ramdenic aSS-sgan da supersaxelmwifo gabrazdeboda, aba, ras izamda, rodesac es uniaTo, zrdilobas moklebuli xelisufleba iqiT ejgimeba?! amerika kargad xvdeba Cveni moqalaqeebis ganwyobas da maqsimalurad cdilobs, ar dagvazaralos, Torem aqamde gadawyvetda qarTul-amerikuli urTierTobis momavals, migvatovebda am mZime viTarebaSi da am ekonomikuri mdgomareobiT ruseTisTvis iol sakbilod gagvxdida. am process maqsimalurad uwyobs xels mmarTveli gundi da aqeTken migvaqanebs. Sarl miSelma, rogorc evropel xalxs Sehferis, mokled gviTxra, Cven gamo ki ara, Tqven gamo gadadgiT es nabijio. migvaniSna, Tu gindaT Cvens ojaxSi Semosvla, daicaviT wesebio. hoda, axla Tavad gansajeT, ra dReSi varT. . .
– rogor moiqceva opozicia: kvlav boikots gamoacxadebs Tu darCeba sakanonmdeblo organoebSi?
– `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ liderma mamuka xazaraZem gaakeTa gancxadeba, rom am donis politikuri garigebidan ar gavalT, pasuxismgebloba sxvasTan erTad `lelosac~ aqvs aRebuli, rom sasworze devs Cveni qveynis evroatlantikuri momavali, amitom `lelo~ agrZelebs brZolas, rom `ocnebam~ ver aiRos 43% da dainiSnos vadamdeli arCevnebi gaisad. am pirobis Seusruleblobis SemTxvevaSi, fraqcia `lelo – partniorebi saqarTvelosTvis~ gamoacxadebs boikots da datovebs parlaments. axla varT winasaarCevno reJimSi, vagrZelebT muSaobas Cveni momxreebis sruli mobilizebisTvis, raTa davumtkicoT ironiis moyvarul jambaz kobaxiZes, rom gacilebiT meti momxreebi gvyavs ori wlis partias, vidre mis cinikos gonebas warmoudgenia!
– ramdenad uRirda `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~ es nabiji? rogorc Tavad amboben, amnistiis kanonis gamo ar moaweres SeTanxmebas xeli. ratom egonaT, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ Seasrulebda calmxrivad nakisr valdebulebas?
– Cveni partiis liderebi mamuka xazaraZe da badri jafariZe mudmivi devnis procesSi arian `ocnebis~ xelisuflebis mxridan da, am yvelafris miuxedavad, maT miiRes is gadawyvetileba, rac am qveynisTvis momgebiani iyo. rac Seexeba `nacionaluri moZraobis~ liderebis gadawyvetilebas, amas Tavad gascemen pasuxs.
– dauweseben Tu ara amis gamo saqarTvelos sanqciebs?
– ara mgonia, aseT umZimes mdgomareobaSi myof saqarTvelos Cvenma megobarma qveynebma sanqciebi dauweson. principSi, amiTac sargeblobs `ocneba~. ise, ar iqneboda urigo, Tu am `gadamgdeb~ premier-ministrs, partiis lidersa da `ocnebis~ ramdenime viwropartiulad moazrovne personas dauwesebdnen sanqciebs. vfiqrob, Tu gonze ar movlen, esec sanatreli darCebaT.
