,,ისეთ პროექტებს შევასხამთ ფრთებს, ბათუმს შავიზღვისპირეთის ულამაზეს ქალაქად რომ აქცევს”
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baTumis sakrebulos wevri gaxda `qarTuli ocnebis~ proporciuli siis meaTe nomeri levan beriZe. igi sxvadasxva dros muSaobda prokurorad da mosamarTled. qalaqelebi icnoben rogorc principul, marTal adamians, kacs, romelic yovelTvis dadgeba simarTlis mxares.
ris gakeTebas apirebs batoni levani baTumisa da baTumelebisTvis, ra mimarTulebiT warmarTavs saqmianobas sakrebuloSi da romeli problemis gadawyveta miaCnia prioritetad, interviuSi saubrobs.
– batono levan, ras gvetyviT Tqvens profesiul saqmianobaze?
– 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi vmsaxurobdi prokuraturaSi, aWaris umaRles sasamarTloSi, wevri-mosamarTle viyavi mis gauqmebamde.
– yvelaze metad romeli saqme dagamaxsovrdaT?
– uceb Znelia amaze pasuxis gacema, Tumca ar damavawydeba im Sav-bnel 90-ianebSi arsebuli daZabuli kriminogenuri viTareba. prokurorad rom vmuSaobdi, qobuleTSi, gzaze Causafrdnen da Tavs daesxnen manqaniT baTumSi mimaval Zmebs. . . erTi adgilzeve gardaicvala, meore ki daiWra. safrTxe Seeqmna sxva manqanebiT mimaval moqalaqeebs. . . daiRupa udanaSaulo adamianebi. danaSauli cxel kvalze gaixsna. xmauriani saqme iyo. saSinelebaa im periodis gaxsenebac ki. mas Semdeg gadavwyvite, yvelaferi gamekeTebina Cveni qveynis stabilurobisa da samarTlebrivi saxelmwifos CamoyalibebisTvis.
– rogor fiqrobT, ram iTamaSa gadamwyveti roli sakrebulos kandidatad Tqveni wardgenisas?
– is, rom wlebia, `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardamWeri gaxlavarT, albaT, yvelaze gadamwyveti iyo Cemi kandidaturis SerCevisas. aqve aRvniSnav, politikaSi Rrmad arasodes Sevsulvar, magram rTulia, saqarTveloSi cxovrobde da araviTari politikuri simpaTiebi ar gagaCndes. Tanac, gaiTvaliswines Cemi samsaxurebrivi gamocdileba, ojaxi, romelsac kargad icnoben baTumelebi. Cemi ded-mama (merab beriZe, miniko CijavaZe), romlebic baTumis SoTa rusTavelis saxelobis universitetis kaTedrebze muSaobdnen da qalaqis pedagogTa araerTi Taoba gamozardes. aseve kargad icnoben Cems ufros biWs arCil beriZes, `aliloSi~ momReral iurists, cnobili saxea. anu, amiT is minda vTqva, rom baTumis erT-erTi tradiciuli ojaxi varT, romelic sazogadoebis yvela problemaSi, dResaswaulsa Tu glovaSi aqtiurad erTveba. Cven gvtkiva qalaqis tkivili da gvixaria TanaqalaqelTa warmateba. baTumelebma erTad gadavitaneT urTulesi periodi Cveni qveynis istoriaSi – uSuqoba, uwyloba, kuponebi, prezidentis Camogdeba, mxedrioni, teritoriebis dakargva, magram imeds ar vkargavdiT da vocnebobdiT iseT droze, rodesac Cveni baTumi iseTive bednierebis qalaqi gaxdeboda Cveni Svilebis da SviliSvilebisaTvis, rogoric Cemi Taobis bavSvobis baTumi iyo. mgoni, dadga dro ocnebis ganxorcielebisa.
– Tu gifiqriaT, rogor gamoiyenebT Tqvens profesiul da cxovrebiseul gamocdilebas qalaqis sakeTildReod?
– am sakiTxze fiqri maSinve daviwye, rogorc ki SeTavazeba miviRe. arc ise mcire asaki maqvs, rom ver gavaanalizo pasuxismgebloba da ar gaviazro mTeli rigi movaleobebis siRrme, rac sakrebulos deputatobas mosdevs. rogorc iurists, bevri sakanonmdeblo sakiTxis mogvareba ZalmiZs. mimaCnia, rom Cemi profesia kargad ergeba am pozicias, sadac kanonmdeblobiT unda ixelmZRvanelo da qalaqisTvis sasikeTo axali sakanonmdeblo regulaciebi Camoayalibo. imedi maqvs, kolegebis daxmarebiT SevZleb gaverkve im niuansebSi, romlebic axlavs axal Tanamdebobas. Zalian kargi, profesionalTa gundi Seikriba sakrebulos am mowvevaSi, rac maZlevs saSualebas ganvacxado, rom SevZlebT uamravi proeqtis ganxorcielebas baTumelebisaTvis. rogorc araerTxel aRniSna Tavis SexvedrebSi qalaqis merobis kandidatma arCil Ciqovanma da qveynis premierma, grandiozuli gegmebi gvaqvs dasaxuli qalaqis ganviTarebisTvis. garwmunebT, Cveni gundi SeZlebs yvelafris realurad ganxorcielebas.
– rogorc politikaSi mosul axalbedas, minda gkiTxoT, Tu gaxsovT TofaZis sasowarkveTili gancxadeba: es ra binZuri saqme yofila politikao. xarT Tu ara mzad im intrigebisa da dapirispirebisaTvis, rac gelodebaT sakrebulos sxdomebze?
– erTi ram zustad vici, `qarTuli ocneba~ sufTa xelebiT akeTebs politikas da gulwrfelia Tavis amomrCevlebTan. sxvanairad rom yofiliyo, me maTTan ar viqnebodi. qalaqis sakanonmdeblo organo gulisxmobs qalaqze zrunvas da ar mgonia, am mimarTulebiT raime saxis dapirispirebebi iyos, magram gamoricxuli araferia. Cveni gemi midis swori mimarTulebiT da vici, aucileblad miaRwevs daniSnulebis adgils.
– qalaqis romel problemas gamoarCevdiT am etapze?
– sxvaTa Soris, Zalian mawuxebda qalaqSi mimdinare mSeneblobebi, qvis junglebad rom aqcia baTumi, miSeneba-daSenebis gamo safrTxis Semcveli, yavlgasuli korpusebi. winaTgrZoba mqonda Tu realurad gaazrebuli, ar vici, faqti erTia: im SemaZrwunebelma tragediam, mTeli qveyana rom SeZra, adgilidan daZra, gaaaqtiura amden xans CrdilSi myofi saqme. ukve gamocxadda mTavrobis gadawyvetileba – `baTumi – avariuli saxlebis gareSe!~. saSinelebaa, rom amxela danakargis gadatana mogviwia, magram kargia xelisuflebis pozicia, romelmac problemis gadaWra momentalurad gadawyvita.
– ramdenad SeZlebs qalaqis biujeti aseTi didi finansuri tvirTis awevas?
– rogorc vici, wels da gaisad baTums sakmaod didi biujeti aqvs bevri municipaluri programis gansaxorcieleblad. darwmunebuli var, Tuki arCil Ciqovani gaxdeba meri, yvelafris ganxorcielebas moaxerxebs, radgan marTlac kargi menejeria, rac araerTxel daamtkica qalaqis marTvis procesSi. aWaris da centraluri xelisuflebacaa CarTuli am saqmeSi, ase rom, darwmunebuli var, yvelaferi droulad da warmatebiT mogvardeba. amasTan, mowesrigdeba qalaqis infrastruqturac da iseT proeqtebs SevasxamT frTebs, baTums SavizRvispireTis ulamazes qalaqad rom aqcevs.
– Tqven baTumis biujeti axseneT, romelic marTlac msuyea saqarTvelos sxva qalaqebTan SedarebiT. Tqven isic iciT, rom am Semosavlebis didi wili kazinoebze modis. rogor SeafasebT saTamaSo biznesis ayvavebas Cvens qalaqSi, gaubedurebuli ojaxebis fonze?
– geTanxmebiT, es marTlac udidesi problemaa, ara mxolod Cveni qalaqisTvis, aramed msofliosTvis. Tumca isicaa, axla ukve dawesda asakobrivi SezRudvebi am dawesebulebebSi. rogorc ki Rebulobs ojaxis wevrebisgan kazino Setyobinebas TamaSze damokidebulTa Sesaxeb, aRar uSvebs darbazSi. aq hyavT sakuTari klientura, romelic mezobeli qveynebidan Semodis, es xalxi baTumSi xarjavs fuls, rac Cvens qalaqs, socialur proeqtebs xmardeba. am bolos naklebad viRebT informacias saTamaSo biznesSi CaTreuli axalgazrdebis Sesaxeb, magram yvelam viciT, ra safrTxes Seicavs es yvelaferi. aqedan gamomdinare, am sakiTxze umaRlesma instanciebma unda imsjelon da gamoitanon erisTvis da qveynisTvis sasikeTo gadawyvetileba.
– qveyanaSi politikuri krizisia. ras fiqrobT, rogor ganimuxteba viTareba?
– am sakiTxis gadawyveta mxolod xalxis prerogativaa. qarTveli xalxi brZenia, istoriuli maxsovrobac kargi aqvs. axsovs, ra mdgomareoba iyo 2012 wlamde da ras gadaarCina qveyana `qarTulma ocnebam~, romelic ukve Sedga rogorc aqtiuri, samarTliani, demokratiuli da pasuxismgebliani politikuri Zala. mmarTveli partia ar cdilobs sxvisi qonebis warTmeva-dauflebas, udanaSaulo xalxis cixeebSi Cayras, cocxebis aradaniSnulebisamebr gamoyenebas. axla xelisuflebas warmoadgens normaluri, adekvaturi xalxi, romelic iRvwis sakuTari moqalaqeebis keTildReobisTvis. destruqciuli opozicia rom ara, `qarTuli ocneba~ gacilebiT metis gakeTebas SeZlebda saqarTvelos mravalerovnuli da erTguli moqalaqeebisTvis.
– saakaSvilis sazRvris ukanono kveTas axla ruseTs ukavSireben. . .
– daakvirdiT ase Tu ar aris, maTi inglisurenovani frazebi sruliadac ar niSnavs, rom ruseTis mosyiduli jaSuSebi ar arian. faqtebiT vimsjeloT, visi mmarTvelobis qveS dakarga saqarTvelom mosazRvre soflebi, visi iniciativiT wamoiwyes uazro omi, vin miaba Cveni qveyana ruseTis energetikas da gazsadenebs, uamravi biznesi gayides ruseTSi. vis miuZRvis wvlili saqarTvelosa da ukrainaSi mimdinare yvela negatiur procesSi? amas Tu kidev ver xvdebian da ver aanalizeben, aRar yofila saSveli. veravin damarwmunebs, rom enm ar moqmedebs ruseTis interesebiT. mxolod amiT aixsneba saakaSvilis destruqciuli aqtiuroba orive qveyanaSi.
– batono levan, rogor SeafasebT kriminogenur mdgomareobas baTumSi? opozicia amtkicebs, rom `ocnebam~ waaxalisa kriminalebi, gaiolda narkotikebze wvdoma. pandemiis gamo daiwyo bankebis Zarcvis mcdelobac ki. . .
– daviwyoT imiT, rom pandemiis gamo mTel msoflioSi gamZafrda kriminogenuri viTareba. es mosalodnelic iyo, radgan analogiur viTarebaSi igive meordeboda yvelgan, yvela saukuneSi. fsiqologiuri da samarTlebrivi problemebis winaSe dgeba kacobrioba, rodesac wesdeba mkacri `loqdaunebi~, iwyeba umuSevroba da mkveTrad vardeba ekonomikis maCveneblebi. dameTanxmeT, rom Cvenma xelisuflebam maqsimaluri gaakeTa am situaciis gansamuxtad. dawesda socialuri daxmarebebi, sursaTiT uzrunvelyofdnen umweo ojaxebs, xelfasebs uxdidnen pandemiis gamo umuSevrad darCenilebs da sxv. Cemze ukeT iciT, rac gakeTda im periodSi da keTdeba axlac. marto amdeni kovidinficirebulis sastumroebSi moTavseba rad Rirs. amiT am biznessac SeunarCunda personali, stabiluri Semosavali da xalxic gadarCa. ver gaixsenebT winamorbedi xelisuflebebisgan iseT aqciebs, rasac `qarTuli ocneba~ akeTebda. vgulisxmob, igive Suqis, wylis da gazis gadasaxadebis gadaxdas, sabanko procentebSi gaxlarTuli Cveni moqalaqeebisTvis valebis gadafarvas, pensioneri pedagogebis Rvawlis dafasebas, xelovanTa dafinansebas, kulturuli Zeglebis gadarCenas, mTeli qveynis masStabiT Teatrebis, skolebis, bavSvTa baRebis Tu sportuli kompleqsebis umaRles doneze aSeneba-reabilitacias. imdeni ram aris gakeTebuli, rom verc ki CamoTvli erT interviuSi. romeli gavixseno, aRarc vici. baTumSi gaiareT da naxeT, ra keTdeba, ra ubnebia mowesrigebuli. saakaSviliviT uazro daniSnulebis anbanis koSkebi da kvercxebze Semodebuli lastebi ki ar gviSenebia. yvelaferi xalxis sakeTildReod keTdeba da Sendeba. ramdeni daxmareba gaica, ramdeni biznesamnistia gamocxadda, soflis meurneoba dafinansda, ufaso xvna-Tesvis programac ki iyo. ufasod darigebul sawarmoo daniSnulebis mcire teqnikasa da samuSao iaraRebze aRarafers vambob. sesxebi axlac gaicema mcire da saSualo biznesis ganviTarebisTvis. axali trasebi, SemovliTi da sasoflo gzebi, wylis sistemebi, gazi. . . yvela mimarTulebiT keTdeba saqme. cxadia, pandemiam imoqmeda ekonomikaze, magram rogorc ki dasruldeba imunizacia da daregulirdeba pandemia, erT weliwadSi isev mivaRwevT Zvel niSnuls da Semdeg wavalT zeviT. mjera, es yvelaferi ase iqneba. mTavaria xalxis mxardaWera da Tanadgoma. erTad yvelafers SevZlebT. `qarTuli ocnebis~ politika demokratiaze, humanurobasa da tolerantobazea agebuli, CvenTan pirvel adgilze dgas adamianis Tavisufleba da uflebebi, rasac arad dagidevdaT wina xelisufleba, isev ukan dabrunebiT rom gvemuqreba. rac Seexeba kriminogenur viTarebas da kriminalis xelSewyobas, imden absurdul braldebas gviyeneben, aRarc minda amaze saubari. bankebis Zarcvis mcdeloba adamianebis sasowarkveTilebaze ufro migviTiTebs, vidre xelisuflebis mier maTTvis kartblanSis micemaze. isic gaixseneT, rogor Catarda bankSi mZevlebis gaTavisuflebis operacia. samarTaldamcvelebma maqsimaluri gaakeTes am operaciis msxverplis gareSe dasasruleblad. fulic ki gaatanes TavzexelaRebul mZarcvels, oRond sisxli ar daRvriliyo. amasac danaxva da sworad gageba unda. magaT rac unda gaukeTo, ukuRma Semogitrialeben da mainc moZebnian raRacas, rac masaze negatiuri gavlenisTvis gamoadgebaT. amaSi gamoixateba destruqciuli opoziciis damangreveli zemoqmedeba qveyanasa da mosaxleobaze. mxolod konstruqciuli qmedebebi migviyvans saqarTvelos keTildReobamde.
– Tu gaqvT imedi, rom yvelaferi kargad iqneba da opozicia ar Seecdeba qveyanaSi areulobis, sisxliani dapirispirebis mowyobas?
– ara mgonia. xalxi ar ahyveba maT. yvelam icis, vin ras warmoadgens da risi gamkeTebelia, amitom vuyureb optimisturad mimdinare procesebs. darwmunebuli var, arCevnebis meore turi Cveni kandidatebis gamarjvebiT dagvirgvindeba da stabiluroba, demokratia da aRmSenebloba gaimarjvebs qveyanaSi, swored Cveni politikuri gundis xelmZRvanelobiT.
