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`lelo saqarTvelosTvis liderma mamuka xazaraZem deputatis mandatis datovebaze gancxadeba pirdapir opoziciis Sekrebaze gaakeTa, romelic parlamentis win mimdinareobda:
`me politikaSi ori wlis win movedi. am xnis ganmavlobaSi ar damTavrebula Cemi piradi Seuracxyofa, aTasi iarliyis mowebeba, magram miviwev win. es Cemze ar moqmedebs. ar movsulvar politikaSi an skamisTvis, an raRacisgan gasaqcevad. gamocdileba, romelic am SenobaSi miviRe, meubneba, rom azri ar aqvs im adamianebTan saqmis keTebas, romlebic zurgSi danas girtyamen da xmas garTmeven. amitom miviRe gadawyvetileba – es aris mandati da me vtoveb parlaments, vtoveb imitom, rom TqvenTan erTad quCaSi gavagrZelo brZola `Tavisufali saqarTvelosTvis~, Cveni SvilebisTvis, asea da ase iqneba mudam. brZola iqneba bolomde~.
sakanonmdeblo organodan wamosvlis miuxedavad, `lelos~ lideri acxadebs, rom misi partiis wevrebi muSaobas parlamentSi gaagrZeleben. misi TqmiT, parlamentis datoveba misi piradi gadawyvetilebaa, fraqciis sxva wevrebi ki parlamentSi rCebian:
`marTla mTeli guliT Sevedi parlamentSi, mindoda, Cemi gamocdileba, rac 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi damigrovda, gameziarebina am xalxisTvis, magram araTu ar sWirdeba aravis, agresiiT da mtrad ganmixilaven, ubralod, imitom, rom gansxvavebuli azri maqvs, vakritikeb maT damfuZnebels. es ar aris parlamenti, diriJori hyavT – etyvis aswieT xeli da – asweven, daswieT xeli da – dasweven. am parlamentSi ar Sevsulvar arc imunitetis gamo, arc skamis gamo, ar mWirdeba.
rac Seexeba fraqcias, es aris Cemi pirovnuli gadawyvetileba, romelic, ra Tqma unda, SevaTanxme TanagundelebTan, sxva yvela rCeba da yvela im tribunas gamoviyenebT, sadac Cveni warmomadgenlebi arian, rom yvela frontze viyoT Zlierebi~.
gTavazobT intervius `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ baTumis organizaciis Tavmjdomare geno TebiZesTan, romelic gvesaubreba TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebsa da partiis poziciaze mimdinare politikur procesebSi.
– rogor SeafasebT arCevnebis mimdinareobas, ra tipis darRvevebi daafiqsires Tqvenma damkvirveblebma?
– es iyo umZimesi da damRleli arCevnebi Cveni uaxlesi istoriis ganmavlobaSi. `moqalaqeTa kavSiri~ da `aRorZineba~ pirdapir saarCevno ubnebze ayalbebda Sedegebs, `qarTuli ocnebis~ pirobebSi ki, vinaidan droc Seicvala da midgomac, arCevnebis gayalbeba xdeba saarCevno ubnis gareT, masobrivi mosyidviT, daSinebiT, SantaJiT, gadabirebiT, sajaro da Zalovani struqturebis, kriminaluri avtoritetebis gamoyenebiT da CarTulobiT. susi axdens identificirebas `qarTuli ocnebis~ momxreebis, maT mobilizebas, mosyidvas, xolo kriminalebi da e.w quCis biWebi – opoziciurad ganwyobili adamianebis bulings.
– ras gulisxmobT?
– pirdapir aiZulebdnen opoziciis mxardamWerebs, ar misuliyvnen saarCevno ubnebze da ar daeWiraT mxari maTTvis arasasurveli kandidatisTvis. gadabirebis garda, axdendnen maTi gavlenis qveS myofi adamianebis mobilizebas, raTa mieyvanaT saarCevno ubnebze. yvelaferTan erTad `qarTulma ocnebam~ Warbad gamoiyena `karuselis~ meTodi da uprecedentod bevri biuleteni gaayalba.
– gindaT TqvaT, rom `qarTulma ocnebam~ TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebis orive turi gaayalba?
– Tqven mekiTxebiT pirvel da meore turebze. . . minda giTxraT, rom wlidan – wlamde, arCevnebidan – arCevnebamde `qarTuli ocneba~ aumjobesebs gayalbebis xerxebs, rac niSnavs, rom ayalbebs araTu am an wina arCevnebs, aramed yvela aqamde Catarebuls, garda 2012 wlisa, rodesac xalxis udidesma nawilma misca xma.
– ratom xarT darwmunebuli, rom arCevnebi gayalbda, gaqvT mtkicebulebebi?
– 1200 xmiT gansxvavdeba Ciqovanisa da kirTaZis Sedegebi. aseve, 2000-ze meti gabaTilebuli biuleteni iyo. sxvaoba imdenad mcirea, rom rac unda ecadon sxva suraTis Seqmnas, yvela xvdeba, rom es arCevnebi waago mmarTvelma gundma da es Tavad `qarTuli ocnebis~ `mamebmac~ ician. verc ki aRniSnes xarisxianad, ar ezeimebaT, viRacas raRac ZarRvi ar aZlevs saSualebas, rom wagebuli arCevnebi gamarjvebulad gamoacxadon. yvela aRniSnavs, Tu ra araTanabar pirobebSi gviwevda brZola. Tavad viyavi maJoritarobis SeTanxmebuli kandidati ximSiaSvilis olqSi, sadac 2985 xma aviRe da yvela monacemiT Cemi konkurenti 37%-ze mets ver iRebda. amas saarCevno ubnebidan Semosuli cifrebi gvkarnaxobda. Tumca dilis eqvs saaTze Semosuli oqmebis monacemebiT, mas dauweres 40,06%. meored dagvCagres leloelebi. is, rom TiTqmis sami aTasi xma sul raRac 13 ubanze aviRe, sakmaod kargi Sedegia da madloba Cvens mxardamWerebs, romlebic guliT gvaZlevdnen xmas, raTa mieRoT koaliciuri meria. kidev erTi garemoeba – meSvide saarCevno olqSi, 13 ubanze, 925 biuleteni iyo gabaTilebuli. misi Semowmeba rom daiwyes da lototroniT amoiRes ubnebi, Semowmeba moxda mxolod raodenobis gadaTvliT, anu ar moxda am biuletenebis Sinaarsobrivad Seswavla. davamatebdi, eWvs aRrmavebs is, rom dilis 5 saaTisTvis rva ubnis monacemebiT vicodi, rom meore turi iqneboda, magram is, rac gaakeTes, yovelgvar molodins scildeba, anu dilis eqvs saaTze gauformes gamarjveba 40,06 procentiT. sayuradReboa, rom meore turis wina dReebSi 12 saubno-saarCevno komisiis Tavmjdomare da komisiis 45 wevri Seicvala. TavisTavad Cndeba gonivruli eWvi, rom `ocnebam~ is wevrebi da Tavmjdomareebi Caanacvla, romlebmac ver Seasrules davaleba.
– apirebs Tu ara Tqveni partia sakrebuloSi Sesvlas – Tqvenma liderma xom datova deputatis mandati?
– `lelo~ aucileblad Seva mis mier mopovebuli mandatiT baTumis sakrebuloSi. es iqneba Zalian kargi, axalgazrda lideri irakli kupraZe, romelic baTumelebis interesebs gaatarebs baTumis sakrebuloSi. baTumelebma TavianTi xmebi gvandes da valdebulni varT, rom bolomde gavufrTxildeT maT.
– ras ityviT saakaSvilis dapatimrebasa da misi janmrTelobis gauaresebis gamo atexil davaze?
– mixeil saakaSvilis irgvliv rac xdeba, gvafiqrebinebs, rom es aris mizanmimarTuli, orkestrirebuli sadamsjelo RonisZieba mesame prezidentis mimarT. mixeil saakaSvili dRes aris cinikuri damokidebulebis msxverpli saxelmwifos mxridan, rac SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac Cans. adamiani 35 dRea SimSilobs da imis nacvlad, rom qveynis prezidents Seewyalebina da gamxdariyo eris prezidenti, rogorc humanurobis garanti, man airCia kekluci qalis roli – dasZina `ara da arasdros~. qali romelsac oligarqi ivaniSvili Tamar mefes adarebda, Tamariseuli humanurobisgan Zalian Sors aRmoCnda. saakaSvilis mimarT saxelmwifos araadamianurma damokidebulebam gaaerTiana ara marto opozicia, aramed eqimebi, samoqalaqo aqtivistebi, romlebic wina xelisuflebis dros miSas mowinaaRmdegeni iyvnen. paralelurad, saerTaSoriso organizaciebis da sxva saxelmwifoebis oficialuri warmomadgenlebis Txovna vrceldeba yoveldRiurad. Cndeba gancda, rom biZina ivaniSvili panikur SiSs hyavs ayvanili, ramac gamousworebel Secdomebamde miiyvana saxelmwifo. saakaSvili, rogorc patimari, uTanasworo brZolaSic ki amarcxebs biZinas `ocnebas~.
– marTla migaCniaT, rom mas goris saavadmyofodan gatacebas upirebdnen?
– ar vici, magram am xelisuflebisgan yvelaferia mosalodneli. gavixsenoT Cveni qveynis mier ganxorcielebuli deportaciebi ruseTSi da muxTarlis gadacema azerbaijanis mxarisTvis. . . anu am qveynis mmarTveli rgoli yvelafris mkadrebelia da arc is gamikvirdeba, biZinas romelime monam egec rom Seasrulos.
– ra gaqvT gadawyvetili – isev quCis aqciebi, Tu sakanonmdeblo organoebidan brZola?
– aqciebi gagrZeldeba manam, sanam `ocneba~ ar Sewyvets mavneblur politikas. ar dagvibrunebs Cvens kuTvnil Tavisufal arCevnebs Tanabar pirobebSi. qalaq baTumis kanonier mers – giorgi kirTaZes ar miscemen baTumis koaliciuri mmarTvelobis SesaZleblobas da ar daniSnaven riggareSe samarTlian arCevnebs 2022 wels. .
– ra perspeqtiva elis, Tqveni azriT, opoziciias da pozicias?
– ar maxsovs msgavsi politikuri krizisi, raSic moaqcia mavnebelma xelisuflebam Cveni qveyana. gamosavali vadamdeli arCevnebia. qveyana ki ar Raribdeba, aramed Ratakdeba. Cveni moqalaqeebi yoveldRiurad garbian qveynidan da Sromoben ucxo qveynebSi, umZimes pirobebSi uwevT sakuTari ojaxebis rCena. samarcxvino xelisufleba gvyavs, Cvens qveyanaSi xelmisawvdomi mxolod metadonis programaa. guli mikvdeba am yvelafris Semyures. . . .
– ramdenad realurad migaCniaT vadamdeli arCevnebis daniSnva?
– aqciebi iqneba mSvidobiani. konstituciiT moniWebuli yvela uflebis gamoyenebiT SevecdebiT, vaiZuloT es mavneblebi, dahyvnen xalxis nebas da aRiaron damarcxeba. arasdros SevalT prorusul mmarTvelebTan garigebaSi. es Cvens patriotul Sexedulebebs ewinaaRmdegeba. Cven moviTxovT demokratiulad Tanabar pirobebSi arCevnebis Catarebas.
– ra tipis saprotesto aqciebis gamarTvas apirebT?
– aseTi erTiani opozicia ar maxsovs. dResac SeTanxmebulad vmoqmedebT, radgan Cven Secdomis ufleba ar gvaqvs, rasac Casafrebuli elodeba es xelisufleba. aqciebi iqneba iseTi tipis, rogoric daSvebulia konstituciiT. Cven vaiZulebT mmarTvel gunds, saerTaSoriso partniorebis zewoliT, rom yuri daugdos eris xmas. ukve mosaxleobis didi nawili dgas erTad. umetesobam Tavi daaneba `ocnebas~ da realuri saqmeebis keTebas mihyo xeli. es saqmeebi ki sxva araferia, Tu ara koaliciur mmarTvelobamde misvla da qveynis amoyvana im ufskrulidan, sadac gadaCexes e.w. qvelmoqmedebma, sakuTari miliardebis uazro flangviT gakotrebamde rom miiyvana mTeli ekonomika, umuSevroba da siRatake daavana qveyanaSi. darwmunebuli var, Cven mivalT im SeTanxmebamde, romelic axali saqarTvelos mSeneblobamde da bednieri qarTveli eris Camoyalibebamde migviyvans.
– ambobT, rom giWerT mxars opoziciis danarCeni nawili?
– diax, dRes baTumSi opoziciurma erTobam gaimarjva, risi naTeli magaliTia pirvelive turSi 19 opoziciuri kandidatis gamarjveba, sakrebuloSi maT oponirebas `qarTuli ocnebis~ 16 wevri gauwevT, anu opozicia aris umravlesobaSi, amasTan, pirvelive turSi uswrebda Ciqovans kirTaZe. veTanxmebi mamuka xazaraZes, rom erTianobas, erTad brZolas alternativa ar aqvs da ar unda mivceT saSualeba oligarq ivaniSvils, baTumSi gaiformos xalxis mier mogebuli arCevnebi. baTumi aucileblad daibrunebs mis kuTvnil gamarjvebas, baTumi aucileblad gaimarjvebs baTumelebTan erTad!