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miuxedavad imisa, rom saarCevno vnebaTaRelva Cacxra, politikuri procesebi duRilis procesSia, mmarTveli gundi gamarjvebaze saubrobs, opozicia ki arCevnebis Sedegs ar aRiarebs da erovnul daumorCileblobas aanonsebs, amavdroulad, parlamentis boikotirebas mimarTavs. opoziciis nawilma datova parlamenti. Cndeba kiTxvebi: ra cxadyo arCevnebma, ra pretenzia aqvs opozicias, ra formebi da miznebi unda SeimuSaos mmarTvel gundTan sabrZolvelad? am da sxva mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze vesaubrebiT `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris organizaciis erT-erT lider vaJa darCias.
– batono vaJa, rogor SeafasebdiT adgilobrivi arCevnebis meore turs, ra plusebi da minusebi ikveTeba am mxriv?
– arCevnebis meore turi iseve, rogorc pirveli uamravi darRvevis fonze Catarda, opozicias gaazrebuli gvqonda, rom Sesuli viyaviT uTanasworo brZolaSi. vicodiT, rom gvipirispirdeboda mTeli saxelmwifo manqana da ara `qarTuli ocnebis~ kandidati amomrCevelTan erTad. daSineba, mosyidva, SantaJi, kriminali, adamianis janmrTelobiTa Tu TavisuflebiT manipulireba, raSic CarTuli iyo susi, daSantaJebuli sapatriarqo da Savi fuli, Tumca am arCevnebma cxadyo, rom sazogadoeba iTxovs cvlilebebs. am fonze SeTanxmebulma opociziam baTumSi xelisuflebas arCevnebi mainc mougo. es kargad gamoCnda pirvel turSi, roca sazogadoebis didma nawilma, 60%-ze metma mxari dauWira opozicias. meore turis oficialurma Sedegmac gvaCvena, rom realurad `qarTuli ocneba~ damarcxda. 1526 xmiT saxelisuflebo kandidatis gamarjveba niSnavs mxolod erT rames – xelisuflebam baTumelebs arCevani mopara, 2076 gabaTilebuli biuleteni, sxvadasxva manipulacia ubanze, swored amis naTeli dadasturebaa. Sesabamisad, imedi maqvs, rom ukve opoziciuri, koaliciuri sakrebulo iqneba baTumelebis interesebis maqsimalurad gamtarebeli da gaakontrolebs daniSnuli meris saqmianobas.
– xelisufleba da opozicia sxvadasxvagvarad afasebs arCevnebs, ra myari argumentebi gaqvT arCevnebis gayalbebasTan dakavSirebiT?
– gayalbebis masStabi imxelaa, rom araerTi sxva argumenti arsebobs am faqtis gasamyareblad, yvelaze didi gavlena iqonia komisiis e.w. neitralurma wevrebma, romlebic realurad `qarTli ocnebis~ aqtivistebi iyvnen da aqac vnaxeT, rom xelisuflebam saarCevno reforma mxolod fasadurad gaatara da kidev erTxel gadaagdo saerTaSoriso partniorebi. baTili biuletenebis maRali raodenoba swored komisiis im wevrebis damsaxurebaa, romlebic martivi umravlesobiT wyvetdnen ubanze biuletenis baTilobis sakiTxs. aseve, mniSvnelovani darRvevebi iyo e.w. specialur siebSi, sadac yovelgvari axsna-ganmartebis gareSe Seyvanilebi iyvnen adamianebi sxvadasxva regionidan, garda amisa, xelisuflebam miiwera emigrantebis xmebic, romlebic wasulebi arian samuSaod, Tumca aRmoCnda, rom maTi gvarebis gaswvriv registratorebma moaweres xeli da Semoxazuli biuletenebi gamoiyenes. manipulaciis gavrcelebuli forma – registratoris xelmowerisa da beWdis ar qona biuletenze, im amomrCevlis biuletenze, romelic opoziciis kandidats aZlevda xmas. me vecade, mesaubra ubnebze darRvevebis Sesaxeb, aRarafers vambob gareT arsebul mdgomareobaze, sadac rogorc ukve aRvniSne, mobilizebuli iyo mTeli saxelmwifo manqana.
– xelisufleba opozicias urCevs, Seeguos arsebul realobas da moemzados momdevno arCevnebisTvis, opozicia ki saprotesto aqciebs marTavs da amavdroulad, parlamentis boikotis gzas mimarTavs, ras fiqrobT?
– parlamentis boikotirebis gza airCia ramdenime deputatma da me am etapze es gza ar mgonia swori. Cveni fraqcia agrZelebs saparlamento saqmianobas da maqsimalur diskomfortis Seqmnas xelisuflebisTvis. am ukanasknels mouwevs, pirvel rigSi, upasuxos xalxs, romelsac waarTva merebis da sakrebuloebis arCevis SesaZlebloba. Cveni qalaqis fonze SemiZlia giTxraT, rom es saprotesto muxti sakmaod maRalia da dRiTi dRe izrdeba.
– Tqvenma liderma mamuka xazaraZem parlamenti datova, Tumca misi partiis wevrebi jerjerobiT parlamentSi rCebian. es taqtikaa Tu uTanxmoeba SeiniSneba partiaSi?
– rogorc ukve aRvniSne, Cveni saparlamento fraqcia agrZelebs saparlamento saqmianobas. Cven gamoviyenebT yvela SesaZlo tribunas, romliTac SegveZleba, rom SevaxsenoT xelisuflebas, rogor waarTva mosaxleobas arCevnebi, velaparakoT yvela im problemaze, rac dRes Cvens qveyanaSi xdeba, jandacvis, ekonomikis Tu socialuri mimarTulebiT. rac Seexeba mamuka xazaraZis gadawyvetilebas parlamentis datovebasTan dakavSirebiT, es miuTiTebs mxolod imaze, rom is asrulebs dapirebas, maSin, roca batoni mamuka koaliciur vicemerad dasaxelda, man icoda, rom unda daetovebina parlamentis mandati da is asec moiqca, man aCvena xelisuflebas da sazogadoebas, rom misTvis mniSvnelovania da qarTveli amomrCevlis neba, sityvisadmi erTguleba da ara saparlamento imuniteti. yvelaferi es miuTiTebs imaze, rom Cveni partia aris Tanmimdevruli politikis gamtarebeli da raime saxis uTanxmoebaze, ra Tqma unda, saubari zedmetia.
– opoziciis nawili mTlianad parlamentis da sakrebuloebis boikotis momxrea, ramdenad gacnobierebuli aqvs mas am mimarTebiT plusebi da minusebi, xom ar aris opoziciis marginalizaciis safrTxe?
– parlamentis boikotze visaubre, rac Seexeba sakrebuloebis boikots, Cven vxedavT, rom ramdenime did qalaqSi aris opoziciuri umravlesobis formirebis Sansi, Sesabamisad, ar mgonia swori, am SesaZleblobaze uaris Tqma opoziciis mxridan. baTumis magaliTze SemiZlia vTqva, rom CemTvis, rogorc baTumelisTvis da opoziciuri amomrCevlisTvis mniSvnelovania, rom mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris merad daniSnuli mejvare maqsimalurad gaakontrolos sakrebuloSi opoziciam. baTumelebma gadawyvites, rom am qalaqis biujetze pasuxismgebeli unda iyos opozicia da sakrebuloebis boikoti amorCevlis nebis winaaRmdeg wasvla da damatebiTi SesaZleblobebis dakargva.
– meore turSi opozicia TbilisSic gaerTianda . . . (baTumi am mxriv samagaliTo iyo). es rom pirvel turSi momxdariyo, opoziciis Sedegebi STambeWdavi iqneboda, Tqveni azri amis Taobaze?
– baTumi da aWara am mxriv namdvilad samagaliTo iyo, Cven pirvelive turSi SevTavazeT regions koaliciuri mmarTvelobis modeli, ramac gaaCina erTgvari impulsi qveynis masStabiT. aman, rogorc vnaxeT, `qarTuli ocneba~ gaaSiSvla da amomrCevels daanaxa koaliciis aucilebloba. imedi maqvs, rom samomavlod TanamSromloba mxolod gaizrdeba, rac gaaZlierebs opozicias, radgan es aris realuri gamosavali am dausrulebeli mankieri wridan.
– eqspertebi acxadeben, rom es arCevnebi imiTac iyo mniSvnelovani, rom regionebSi gamoCnda (baTumi am mxriv TvalsaCinoa) politikosTa Tanavarskvlavedi, ras fiqrobT?
– diax, baTumis roli da mniSvneloba am arCevnebze mkafiod iyo warmoCenili, rac, pirvel rigSi, swored politikosTa mravalferovnebiT iyo gamowveuli. vnaxeT, rom am arCevnebze politikuri veli mniSvnelovnad gaaxalgazrdavda, rac maZlevs imeds, rom momavalSi Cvens qveyanaSi gadawyvetilebis mimRebi pirebi iqnebian is adamianebi, romlebsac gansxvavebuli azris miuxedavad aerTianebT saerTo interesebi qveynisa da qalaqis sakeTildReod da, ara – nepotisturi Tu korufciuli garigebebi.
– opozicia imedovnebs, rom riggareSe arCevnebi Catardeba, mmarTveli partia ki amas 2024 wlamde gamoricxavs. sayuradRebo iyo irakli kobaxiZis gnacxadeba, rom momavali arCevnebi SesaZloa kvlav Zveli sistemiT warimarTos. Tu es moxda, ras moimoqmedebs opozicia?
– `qarTulma ocnebam~ `gadaagdo~ rogorc Tavisi qveynis moqalaqeebi, aseve saerTaSoriso Tanamegobroba, sityvas daukarges fasi. Sesabamisad, aravin icis, rodis Catardeba am qveyanaSi momavali arCevnebi, yvelaferi damokidebulia, Cveni qveynis moqalaqeebze, romlebmac daanaxes `qarTul ocnebas~, rom ukve moTminebis zRvarze arian. ar vfiqrob, rom xelisufleba SeZlebs vadis bolomde amowurvas, radgan TiTqmis yvela didi qalaqi pirvelive turSi daTmo, xolo meore turSi miiwera gamarjveba. amitom warmoudgenelia es ganwyoba Seicvlos xelisuflebis sakeTildReod.
– am da manamde saparlamento arCevnebma cxadyo, rom opozicias cal-calke uWirs xelisuflebasTan gamklaveba. eqspertebi urCeven opozicias farTo koaliciis Seqmnas, Tqveni partia am mimarTebiT ras akeTebs?
– Cven konkretuli nabijebi gadavdgiT am mimarTulebiT da viyaviT erT-erTi iniciatorebi imisa, rom saerTo frontiT gvebrZola xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg. mzad varT, viTanamSromloT yvelasTan, visTanac SesaZlebeli iqneba saubari koaliciur mmarTvelobaze. rogorc ukve aRvniSne, mxolod koaliciuri modeli SeiZleba SevTavazoT sazogadoebas, rogorc alternativa. am qveyanaSi erTpartiuli mmarTvelobis dro unda dasruldes da unda gadavideT TanamSromlobaze, rac, SeiZleba iTqvas, saparlamento respublikis erTgvari qvakuTxedia.
– politikosTa nawili acxadebs, rom am xelisuflebis pirobebSi arCevnebis Catarebas azri ar aqvs, ramdenad gamarTlebulia amgvari azri?
– veTanxmebi imas, rom arCevnebSi gamarjvebas `qarTuli ocneba~ miiwers, da ara – igebs, Tumca meore turis Sedegebi imeds maZlevs rom meti muSaobisa da sazogadoebisTvis koaliciuri mmarTvelobis sikeTeebis metad gacnobis SemTxvevaSi gavimarjvebT. walenjixelebi ukve darwmundnen koaliciis mniSvnelobaSi da Cveni valia, rom amaSi davarwmunoT mTeli saqarTvelo.
– eqspertebi imasac amboben, rom opoziciam unda iaqtiuros dasavleTisTvis maTi miznebis realurad gacnobisa da xelisuflebis antidemokratiulobaSi darwmunebis kuTxiT. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi mas gauWirdeba dasaxuli miznebis miRweva, ras fiqrobT?
– `qarTuli ocneba~ opoziciis daxmarebis gareSec kargad axerxebs daanaxos saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobas misi realuri saxe, miuxedavad imisa, rom Tavad Cagviwera konstituciaSi dasavluri kursis aucilebloba, dRes Cven iseve, rogorc partniorebs, aqvT kiTxvebi am mimarTulebiT, rac niSnavs imas, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ pirobebSi Cveni qveyana nel-nela scildeba dasavlur orbitas da uaxlovdeba CrdiloeTs.
– da bolos, gverds ver avuvliT saakaSvilis Temas, am mxriv procesebis ra ganviTarebas eliT?
– Cemi, rogorc erTi rigiTi moqalaqis, pozicia mixeil saakaSvilis mmarTvelobasTan dakavSirebiT ar aris erTgvarovani da mec maqvs Zalian didi kiTxvebi misi reJimis mimarT, magram axla ar vsaubrobT politikur simpaTia Tu antipaTiaze, aq saubaria adamianis janmrTelobasa da sicocxleze. Sesabamisad, xelisufleba valdebulia, rom is gadaiyvanos samoqalaqo hospitalSi da misces srulad mkurnalobis saSualeba, merwmuneT, rom igive mosazreba meqneboda, prezident saakaSvilis adgilze biZina ivaniSvili an irakli kobaxiZe rom yofiliyvnen. vTvli, rom am qveyanaSi erTxel da samudamod unda dasruldes revanSistuli politika da eqsprezidentebis mkvleloba.