ვახტანგ კალოიანი: აქციები არ უნდა იყოს აგებული შიშველ ემოციებზე
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TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebis Catarebis Semdeg, kidev ufro meti simZafriT daayena opoziciam eqsprezidentis mkurnalobis sakiTxi. saakaSvilis erTgul momxreebs opoziciis sxva jgufebic SeuerTdnen.
saakaSvilis janmrTelobis Sesaxeb mwir informaciasa da baTumis municipalitetis wevrTa poziciebze saubrobs `aWarasTan~ `evropuli saqarTvelos~ wevri, eqimi vaxtang kaloiani, romelic gaerTianebuli opoziciis kandidati iyo TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebSi da gamarjvebis SemTxvevaSi, baTumis municipalitetis sakrebulos Tavmjdomare unda gamxdariyo, magram pirvelive turSi daaklda xmebi da ver moxvda sakanonmdeblo organoSi.
– batono vaxtang, arCevnebis win did imedebs amyarebdiT baTumelTa Tanadgomaze, ra moxda, rogor fiqrobT?
– baTumelTa umetesma nawilma gadawyvita, rom me ar unda gavmxdariyavi sakrebulos Tavmjdomare, amas daemata gayalbebis garkveuli procenti da miviReT is Sedegi, rac miviReT.
– dRevandeli monacemebiT, opoziciuria baTumis sakrebulo?
– im monacemebiT, rac dRes gvaqvs, baTumis sakrebulo opoziciuria. unda Sedges SeTanxmeba opoziciur fraqciebs Soris, raTa Tavmjdomarec opoziciis warmomadgeneli gaxdes, Tumca aq mTavaria, daculi iyos pariteti, raTa sakrebuloSi warmodgenili iyos yvela moqalaqis xma da sakrebulom moaxerxos meriis efeqturi kontroli.
– rac Seexeba gaxarias partias `saqarTvelosTvis~, ra pozicias ikavebs? rogorc cnobilia, swored am gadawyvetilebiT miiRebs an ver miiRebs umravlesobas mmarTveli partia.
– diax, amazea damokidebuli, sakrebulo gaxdeba `qarTuli ocnebis~ danamati, Tu SeiZens realur Zalas da damoukidebeli iqneba qalaqis marTvaSi.
– aq dgeba dilema gaxarias winaSe: Tuki `ocnebis~ satelitia, maSin mmarTveli gundis mxares daikavebs da misi opozicionerobis Sesaxeb miTi sapnis buStiviT gaskdeba, Tu arada, `ocneba~ umciresobaSi aRmoCndeba, Tqven Tavad ras fiqrobT amaze?
– me isev im azrze var, rasac adrec vamtkicebdi, rom gaxaria aris `qarTuli ocnebis~ erT-erTi nairsaxeoba da miiRebs mxolod misTvis sasargeblo gadawyvetilebas. es Cemi piradi mosazrebaa, imedi maqvs, rom vcdebi.
– rogor SeafasebT saakaSvilis mimarT ganxorcielebul qmedebebs, ra pozicia ukavia, am kuTxiT, `evropul saqarTvelos~?
– pirveli – mixeil saakaSvils vTvliT politikur patimrad, rasac adasturebs mTavrobis yoveldRiuri gancxadebebi, anu mis mimarT xorcieldeba gansakuTrebuli qmedebebi, rac ar aris sxva rigiTi patimrebis analogi.
meore – saakaSvilma unda isargeblos samarTliani sasamarTlos uflebiT da upasuxos yvela kiTxvas, rac dasmulia mis mimarT, maT Soris, arasamTavroboebis mxridanac. amasTan, misi rogorc patimris uflebebi unda iyos srulad daculi.
mesame – sayureblad Zalian mZimea, rogor eqcevian patimar da pacient saakaSvils. mTavari problema, rasac me am bolo dReebSi vxedav, aris informaciis gaumWvirvaloba, anu ar viciT, ra pirobebSia yofili prezidenti, ra mkurnaloba utardeba, rogoria misi janmrTelobis realuri mdgomareoba. amis Sesaxeb, samwuxarod, transparentuloba ar arsebobs, sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebulebis mTavari eqimi gveubneba, rom is srulad iRebs saTanado mkurnalobas, maSin rodesac yofili prezidentis pressamsaxuri acxadebs, rom is ar mkurnalobs. sajaro, sando informaciis gavrceleba aris Zalian mniSvnelovani. yvelaze SemaZrwunebeli CemTvis, rogorc eqimisTvis, iyo pacientis iZulebiTi gadayvana samkurnalo dawesebulebaSi.
– samkurnalo dawesebulebaSi gadayvanaze xom Tavidanve iyo moTxovna?
– moTxovna iyo mravalprofilur klinikaSi gadayvana, xolo im dawesebulebaze, sadac ZaliT gadaiyvanes, patimarma saakaSvilma calsaxad ganacxada uari. is misi nebis sawinaaRmdegod, iZulebiT gadaiyvanes cixis samkurnalo dawesebulebaSi. es procesi mogvagonebs sabWoTa fsiqiatriis meTodebs, rodesac iZulebiT mkurnalobaze uSvebdnen im pacientebs, romlebic maT ideologias ar iziarebdnen.
– Tqven gindaT TqvaT, rom saakaSvils awameben da fsiqotropul medikamentebze hyavT, rogorc hyavdaT sabWoeTis tyveobaSi myofi araformalebi?
– TavisTavad giCndeba eWvi, rodesac informaciuli vakuumia. amitom vimeoreb, problema mdgomareobs WeSmarit informirebulobaSi, mowodebuli cnobebi iwvevs eWvs rogorc saakaSvilis momxreebSi, ise rigiT moqalaqeebSi. mosaxleobam unda icodes, ra xdeba yofili prezidentis mkurnalobis kuTxiT. es evaleba saxelmwifos, romlis oficiozma Riad, damajereblad unda gaaJReros, ra xdeba, radgan am personis mimarT sazogadoebis interesi Zalian maRalia.
– am informaciisTvis damajerebloba rom miecaT, amitom gaavrceles kadrebi, romelmac sazogadoebis didi nawilis seriozuli aRfoTeba gamoiwvia.
– penitenciur samsaxurs, am kadrebis nacvlad, saakaSvilis janmrTelobis Sesaxeb argumentirebuli informacia gaevrcelebina, is ajobebda. rodesac sistema daxurulia, es yvelaze metad uwyobs xels Worebis gavrcelebas, xolo rodesac Wor-marTali erTmaneTSi ireva, saerTod ver gaigeb, rogor midis saqme. aqve xazgasmiT aRvniSnav, rom am informacias unda gvawvdides miukerZoebeli piri, romelsac xalxi endoba da ar SeeWvdeba misi sityvebis simarTleSi. am situaciaSi, es ar aris rTuli, radgan saakaSvilis momxreebs Soris bevria eqimi, mas Tavad hyavs sakuTari mkurnali da Tuki es adamiani, obieqtur kvlevebze dayrdnobiT, ityvis, rom eqsprezidentis janmrTelobas realurad ar emuqreba safrTxe, maSin yvela daijerebs da aRar eqnebaT mizezi, ar endon saxelmwifo moxeleebis gancxadebebs.
– batono vaxtang, modiT davakonkretoT, vis, ras da ratom ar endobiT?
– cixis am samkurnalo dawesebulebas manamdec ar hqonda dadebiTi gamoxmaurebebi. mas wlebis ganmavlobaSi saTanado licenziac ar gaaCnda, pretenziebi iyo eqimebTan dakavSirebiTac. yvelaferi es saxalxo damcvels aRniSnuli aqvs da, ra Tqma unda, yvelafer amis gaTvaliswinebiT, gviCndeba seriozuli eWvi eqsprezidentis am dawesebulebaSi gadayvanasTan dakavSirebiT. miT umetes, rom es moxda Tavad pacientis xazgasmuli uaris Semdeg. misi Tanxmoba rom yofiliyo, SesaZloa, amdenad ar daeZaba opozicias situacia. amitom vambob, rom ar xdeba sajaro, Ria, sarwmuno informaciis gavrceleba mmarTveli gundis mxridan.
– rogorc eqimi, TvliT, rom saakaSvilis janmrTelobisTvis aucilebeli iyo misi mravalprofilur klinikaSi gadayvana?
– imdenad mZimea informaciuli vakuumi, rom raime saxis daskvnis gakeTeba SeuZlebelia. aq unda vTqvaT erTi – sasjelaRsrulebis departamentis Cveuli praqtika iyo sneuli patimrebis gadmoyvana samoqalaqo saavadmyofoSi, rasac statistikac adasturebs. magaliTad, SarSan eqvsasi pacienti gadaiyvanes, maT Soris, Zalian msubuq da ambulatoriul momsaxurebaze. Sesabamisad, xelisuflebis es uari da es pozicia kidev erTxel usvams xazs, rom eqsprezidentTan amorCeviTi damokidebulebaa. samedicino mxareze msjeloba realurad Zalian rTulia, radgan am kuTxiT ar viciT araferi.
– SimSilobis ramdenime tipi arsebobs, maT Sorisaa mSrali SimSiloba, romelic ramdenime dReSi klavs adamians. saakaSvili, rogorc kadrebidan Cans, raRac sakvebs iRebda, iqneb marTla kuWis operaciis gamo hqonda WamaSi SezRudva?
– me Worebze komentars ar vakeTeb, kuWis operaciis Sesaxeb informacia ar gvaqvs. amis arc damadasturebeli da arc uarmyofeli dokumenti ar arsebobs, es iyo feisbuqSi gavrcelebuli tyuili. saakaSvili namdvilad SimSilobs, amaSi eWvi aravis epareba da Tu raRac sakveb komponentebs Rebulobs, es ar niSnavs, rom SimSiloba ar aris srulyofili. konsiliumis mowvevazec ki Tqves uari, riTac kidev erTxel daadastures, rom informacias malaven. amaze uaris Tqmis ufleba ar hqondaT. yvela pacients aqvs ufleba, moiTxovos misTvis sando eqimis gansakuTrebuli azri. aq ar aqvs mniSvneloba, patimari prezidentia, Tu muSa.
– saakaSvilis saqarTveloSi Camosvlam opozicias xmebis meti raodenobis Segrovebis saSualeba misca, Tu piriqiT?
– am etapisTvis Tavs Sevikavebdi politikuri procesebis Sefasebisgan. erTmaneTisgan unda ganvasxvavoT eqsprezidenti saakaSvili da pacienti saakaSvili. pirveli statusis mqone pirTan SesaZloa sxvadasxva saxis damokidebuleba gvqondes. piradad mec ar mivekuTvnebi misi mxardamWerebis jgufs. vTvliT, rom absoluturad sxvagvarad unda warmarTuliyo politikuri procesebi da `evropuli saqarTvelos~ gamoyofa `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobisgan~ swored amis gamo moxda. magram dRes migvaCnia, rom aucilebelia pacienti saakaSvilis Sesaxeb sruli informacia da misi janmrTelobis saTanadod marTva. mxolod amis Semdegaa SesaZlebeli, Sefasdes rogorc misi prezidentoba, ise opozicioneroba.
– opozicia isev quCis aqciebs marTavs, vadamdeli arCevnebis daniSvnis da saakaSvilis gaTavisuflebis moTxovniT. mTavroba ar apirebs daTmobaze wasvlas. ramdenad marTebulad migaCniaT maTi saqcieli da ra Sedegs miviRebT am dapirispirebiT?
– `evropuli saqarTvelo~ organizebulad ar monawileobs quCis aqciebSi, imitom rom Zalian mniSvnelovnad migvaCnia droSi obieqturad gawerili nabijebis Tanmimdevroba, romelic unda efuZnebodes simarTles da ideur principebs. Tu ar gaviazrebT strategias, Tu ar davarwmunebT Cvens moqalaqeebs, rom samTavrobo cvlilebebi aucilebelia, ver miviRebT veranair Sedegs, rac miiRweva Tanmimdevruli, mZime, efeqturi muSaobiT. sxva gamosavali aseT avtoritarul, saxifaTo reJimebTan ar arsebobs.
– `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~ miaCnia, rom mosaxleobis umetesi nawili mzad aris da iTxovs kidec cvlilebebs.
axla ver Semoval debatebSi, Tu ra gansxvavebaa Cvensa da `nacionalur moZraobas~ Soris. me aq davafiqsire `evropuli saqarTvelos~ pozicia da yvela moqalaqes SeuZlia Seadaros Cveni xedva, rac, xSir SemTxvevaSi, ar emTxveva maT Tvalsazriss. aqve aRvniSnav, rom ar varT Tanmimdevruli aqciebis da mitingebis winaaRmdegi, magram es ar unda iyos agebuli SiSvel emociebsa da daugegmav Tavyrilobebze.
– msoflio pandemiis dros ramdenad mizanSewonilad migaCniaT aqciebis da mitingebis gamarTva?
– opoziciis aqciebi dauSvebelia, ise rogorc saxelisuflebo Tavyrilobebi, magram erTi ram unda davazusto, rac Cveni partiis kategoriuli poziciaa – am masiur mkvlelobebze, vgulisxmob kovidiT gardacvlilebs, pasuxismgeblobas vakisrebT mmarTvel gunds, romelmac ver SeZlo vaqcinaciasTan mimarTebaSi elementaruli sakiTxebis mogvareba. yoveldRiurad gamocxadebuli micvalebulebis maRali cifrebi aris maTi pirdapiri politikuri, moraluri, profesiuli da adamianuri pasuxismgebloba.
– am etapze, ra viTarebaa pandemiis kuTxiT?
Zalian dramatuli viTarebaa. izrdeba inficirebulTa ricxvic da daRupulTa raodenobac. samwuxarod, vaqcinaciis am tempiT Cven kidev ufro mZime viTareba gvelodeba. sanam moqalaqeTa saerTo raodenobis 60-70%-s ar avcriT, manamde veranair damamSvidebel Sedegs ver miviRebT.
– baTumis mosaxleobis 60% acri-liao, acxadeben . . .
– aWaraSi marTlac saukeTeso viTarebaa am mxriv, rac Cveni regionis jandacvis da ara saqarTvelos jandacvis saministros damsaxurebaa. amitom mivmarTav Cvens moqalaqeebs, avicraT meti intensivobiT, Cveni gadarCena Cvens xelSia!
Pპ.ს: guSin moSimSile eqsprezidentis janmrTelobis mdgomareobis gamwvavebis gamo saqarTvelos iusticiis saministrom mas goris samxedro hospitalSi gadayvana SesTavaza, rac brifingze gaaxmovana ministrma rati bregaZem. Cveni interviueri vaxtang kaloianisa da araerTi sxva opozicioneri politikosis gancxadebiT, goris samxedro hospitali maRali klasisaa, sadac SesaZlebelia adekvaturi samedicino momsaxurebis miReba. eqsprezidentis pasuxi am SeTavazebaze dadebiTia.
